Is the Pedrosa/HRC alliance falling apart?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 22 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is fast, THAT we can all agree on. BUT the guy is prone to breaking under pressure.... i just see it in his demeanor and how he carries himself. As oppose to Rossi who is like a kid, who takes on a challenge as if it was a game. NINJA TURTLES to the recsue. And no, i am not a Rossi fan.

Prone means - one race not finished since he started at Ducati.

Seriously I had to reshuffle my definitions for common words since I started on this forum.

If anyone seriously thinks that Valentino hasn't studied every race of Casey's to expose a weakness is kidding themselves – and now he’s found it. It took quite a few races…maybe a season and a half.

Try and be as generous in your lead in time to Casey in his efforts to find a solution to this. He’s agreed this season is bust for him and his riding into second. Don’t be surprised if the rest of the races aren’t a racing academy (self taught – perhaps mentored) in how to deal with the rather skilled Rossi.

Is HRC/Pedro falling apart - no more than its weakest link - Michelin. HRC Pedro would be just honky dory on the "other" tyres.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 22 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Prone means - one race not finished since he started at Ducati.

Seriously I had to reshuffle my definitions for common words since I started on this forum.

If anyone seriously thinks that Valentino hasn't studied every race of Casey's to expose a weakness is kidding themselves – and now he’s found it. It took quite a few races…maybe a season and a half.

Aha, I've been wrong all the way. It wasn't the Ducati power that enabled Stoner to pass Rossi on the long straights, it was just Rossi who hadn't figured out the right strategy to beat him.

Seriously, I mostly agree , but I would cut figuring part down to half a season. Last year he didn't have the equipment to challenge Stoner the way he does now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 22 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aha, I've been wrong all the way. It wasn't the Ducati power that enabled Stoner to pass Rossi on the long straights, it was just Rossi who hadn't figured out the right strategy to beat him.

Seriously, I mostly agree , but I would cut figuring part down to half a season. Last year he didn't have the equipment to challenge Stoner the way he does now.

Still half a season, two races (one of which was a second place) doesn’t really call for a tar and feather party or redefining common words.

I think it was said in another post that you could define Greg Norman as prone to choking or pressure in majors. No doubt about that. Stoner's had a consistently good run and has won some challenging races. He’s had two bad ones on this bike mind you one of the bad ones was second and 20 points. We can’t call that anomalous result (the fall) the rule, that’s all.

As for the strategy (IMO) it was to interfere with the technical style and cornering of both the rider (Stoner) and the bike (Ducati) and it seems to work. I know you’re a road racer but .... I’ve screwed a lot of faster riders in motocross by diving in front and settling into their lines and letting them react.

Also in relation to anomalous scores, Casey is the anomaly with Ducati – it is basically a slow bike because this isn’t drag racing - and that is the rule established over two seasons with 8 riders. Only one can go fast, the other 7 made the rule. There is a straight-line speed thing for sure, but there are a lot of corners between straights. This has been soooo argued out.

As much as Rossi would like to win his future battles by repeating his previous victorious battles, his opponent may not necessarily want to repeat the previous defeats by doing what he did last time. His opponent is actually faster (a lot of the time) and that’s half the battle.

This is for another thread so after I have some dinner and another beer (Friday night here and Ken Wallace who I know just got a bronze in K1 so I have to re-watch some Olympics) we’ll continue on it a Casey-vs-Valentino thread somewhere and let the rank indifference to Pedro’s plight play out here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 22 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still half a season, two races (one of which was a second place) doesn’t really call for a tar and feather party or redefining common words.

I think it was said in another post that you could define Greg Norman as prone to choking or pressure in majors. No doubt about that. Stoner's had a consistently good run and has won some challenging races. He’s had two bad ones on this bike mind you one of the bad ones was second and 20 points. We can’t call that anomalous result (the fall) the rule, that’s all.

As for the strategy (IMO) it was to interfere with the technical style and cornering of both the rider (Stoner) and the bike (Ducati) and it seems to work. I know you’re a road racer but .... I’ve screwed a lot of faster riders in motocross by diving in front and settling into their lines and letting them react.

Also in relation to anomalous scores, Casey is the anomaly with Ducati – it is basically a slow bike because this isn’t drag racing - and that is the rule established over two seasons with 8 riders. Only one can go fast, the other 7 made the rule. There is a straight-line speed thing for sure, but there are a lot of corners between straights. This has been soooo argued out.

As much as Rossi would like to win his future battles by repeating his previous victorious battles, his opponent may not necessarily want to repeat the previous defeats by doing what he did last time. His opponent is actually faster (a lot of the time) and that’s half the battle.

This is for another thread so after I have some dinner and another beer (Friday night here and Ken Wallace who I know just got a bronze in K1 so I have to re-watch some Olympics) we’ll continue on it a Casey-vs-Valentino thread somewhere and let the rank indifference to Pedro’s plight play out here.

We don't have to make this a traditional Rossi vs Stoner thing. As I said, I agree. And likewise you should be able to agree that Rossi didn't have the equipment last year, that is, if you agree that stoner had such a lead in most races last year that no one could challange him. I mean, a rider don't do leaps in development and speed in the phase Rossi is in, so improving his own speed were not really an option. So if Rossi as a rider were slower than Stoner he would need better equipment to challenge him and equally if the equipment made him slower he would need better equipment.

Tady had to encourage baby Pedrosa to give the new motor a go.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>C'mon, Dani. It's not so bad. I know it's harder to ride than the little bikeys you're used to, but Nicky's been riding it for a while

Okay. That isn't a direct quote but here the link

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 22 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tady had to encourage baby Pedrosa to give the new motor a go.



Okay. That isn't a direct quote but here the link

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i can understand dani not wanting to take a risk of trying something new in a race but to .... off out of a test session that could help michilin sort the tyres and honda get the new engine set up for him is totally ..... that prick just want's everyone else to do all the foot work so he can waltz in later and take the glory.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 22 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can understand dani not wanting to take a risk of trying something new in a race but to .... off out of a test session that could help michilin sort the tyres and honda get the new engine set up for him is totally ..... that prick just want's everyone else to do all the foot work so he can waltz in later and take the glory.
+1 LOL he is a little .... ain't he?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 22 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can understand dani not wanting to take a risk of trying something new in a race but to .... off out of a test session that could help michilin sort the tyres and honda get the new engine set up for him is totally ..... that prick just want's everyone else to do all the foot work so he can waltz in later and take the glory.

Post of the Week.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 22 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can understand dani not wanting to take a risk of trying something new in a race but to .... off out of a test session that could help michilin sort the tyres and honda get the new engine set up for him is totally ..... that prick just want's everyone else to do all the foot work so he can waltz in later and take the glory.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 22 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tady had to encourage baby Pedrosa to give the new motor a go.



Okay. That isn't a direct quote but here the link

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Okada says IF Dani has time, to please try the pneaumatic valved rc212v. Seriously.... who does Dani think he is. Not sure if Okada was being sarcastic or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 22 2008, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okada says IF Dani has time, to please try the pneaumatic valved rc212v. Seriously.... who does Dani think he is. Not sure if Okada was being sarcastic or not.
.... look what happend to Napoleaon. I think Dani could learn something but ......... like that rarely ever listen to others.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 22 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We don't have to make this a traditional Rossi vs Stoner thing. As I said, I agree. And likewise you should be able to agree that Rossi didn't have the equipment last year, that is, if you agree that stoner had such a lead in most races last year that no one could challange him. I mean, a rider don't do leaps in development and speed in the phase Rossi is in, so improving his own speed were not really an option. So if Rossi as a rider were slower than Stoner he would need better equipment to challenge him and equally if the equipment made him slower he would need better equipment.


I agree - I just don't actually know what your last sentence means.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 23 2008, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okada says IF Dani has time, to please try the pneaumatic valved rc212v. Seriously.... who does Dani think he is. Not sure if Okada was being sarcastic or not.

I think to the Japanese who show incredible loyalty and fealty to a company the idea that someone is too busy to try something the company has been developing is sacrilege. Japanese have vastly different ideas to westerners on matters such as how individualism is ranked in the strata of life priorities.

This was an insult translated - Your company that pays you millions has been working very hard to try and help you and apart from publicly slandering your gracious benefactor you act like your too ....... busy or important to involve yourself in their most important projects ARE YOU ....... KIDDING?

I never wanted to be anti Pedrosa but apart from Sylvia Guintoli I don’t think there is a more salient example of a self centred ....... who owes no person anything in that entire paddock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 22 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just don't actually know what your last sentence means.
Just one sentence? .... i'm still trying to figure out his entire posting career here.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 22 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think to the Japanese who show incredible loyalty and fealty to a company the idea that someone is too busy to try something the company has been developing is sacrilege. Japanese have vastly different ideas to westerners on matters such as how individualism is ranked in the strata of life priorities.

This was an insult translated - Your company that pays you millions has been working very hard to try and help you and apart from publicly slandering your gracious benefactor you act like your too ....... busy or important to involve yourself in their most important projects ARE YOU ....... KIDDING?

I never wanted to be anti Pedrosa but apart from Sylvia Guintoli I don’t think there is a more salient example of a self centred ....... who owes no person anything in that entire paddock.

Roo, I like your style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 23 2008, 04:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree - I just don't actually know what your last sentence means.



I think to the Japanese who show incredible loyalty and fealty to a company the idea that someone is too busy to try something the company has been developing is sacrilege. Japanese have vastly different ideas to westerners on matters such as how individualism is ranked in the strata of life priorities.

This was an insult translated - Your company that pays you millions has been working very hard to try and help you and apart from publicly slandering your gracious benefactor you act like your too ....... busy or important to involve yourself in their most important projects ARE YOU ....... KIDDING?

I never wanted to be anti Pedrosa but apart from Sylvia Guintoli I don’t think there is a more salient example of a self centred ....... who owes no person anything in that entire paddock.
off topic i know but WTF. why is guinters a self centered ....... ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 23 2008, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>off topic i know but WTF. why is guinters a self centered ....... ??

Same from me..Off topic, but what make Guinters a self centre ....... ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 23 2008, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>off topic i know but WTF. why is guinters a self centered ....... ??


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Aug 23 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Same from me..Off topic, but what make Guinters a self centre ....... ?


Just read an interview of his where he slagged off at just about everyone around him, his team, other riders and pretty much everyone but himself. He struck me as one of those guys (like Barros - every read that parting interview?) that would have won the world title had he been supplied the platform.

Stalin once said gratitude is a disease of dogs and Sylvia certainly didn't have it.

Having made this reply I am going to find this one and dig it up so I can quote from it directly. He isn’t virulent or abhorrently outspoken, it’s just his attitude that ..... me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 24 2008, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just read an interview of his where he slagged off at just about everyone around him, his team, other riders and pretty much everyone but himself. He struck me as one of those guys (like Barros - every read that parting interview?) that would have won the world title had he been supplied the platform.

Stalin once said gratitude is a disease of dogs and Sylvia certainly didn't have it.

Having made this reply I am going to find this one and dig it up so I can quote from it directly. He isn’t virulent or abhorrently outspoken, it’s just his attitude that ..... me.
i would be interested to read this interview and find out who interviewed him and when. ive always seen guinters as a mild mannered hard working lad.

couldnt happen to a nicer guy

I love how people complain in one breath that Dani has no personality and is boring, but in the very next breath claim to know him inside out, including the motives for all of his actions and most of his personality traits

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 22 2008, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aha, I've been wrong all the way. It wasn't the Ducati power that enabled Stoner to pass Rossi on the long straights, it was just Rossi who hadn't figured out the right strategy to beat him.

Seriously, I mostly agree , but I would cut figuring part down to half a season. Last year he didn't have the equipment to challenge Stoner the way he does now.
Same could be said of 2004 when the RCV was alot quicker than his M1 but cause he knew how to make Gibbers and Biaggi crack it wasnt an issue,but Casey proved last season that he dosent break so veasily or at least not in the same way Biaggi and Gibbers would