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Is the electronic era illegitimate

No doubt michelin had systemic problems, and perhaps couldn't even sustain the cost of the sns tyres, as I don't recall them objecting to the demise of those tyres. I thought they were prepared to continue, not as a control tyre supplier, but as a continuing supplier without the control tyre rule as long as they had a team or teams to supply, and ducati said they were prepared to switch to them rather than have a control tyre.

Fact is mike at that time even with the SNP's they were not competing with the "work on any track" Bridgestone. Many contracts were up inc Rossi's and they were giving no reason for a team to re-sign with them. Personally i think Ducati saying they would go with Michelin was just posturing and mind games. The big H were pissed off with Michelin to the extent Michelin let Pedrosa out with a year or so left on his contract. Everyone knew Michelin were dropping the ball and in high stakes sport like this thats only going to end one way.
 
Michelin's owner died i think. Then there was massive in-fighting in the board room for control and direction of the company . Some wanted to continue in motorsport but many did not. This in-fighting started to show with the product not being up to scratch with no improvement for the future in sight.



Michelin has been a public company for decades. They didn't have an 'owner', exactly, but the Michelin family certainly had the lions share of the shares... Edouard Michelin was one of two managing partners, when he died his cousin took over both roles. I don't think there was much infighting over motorsport, it was a purely financial decision. Edouard died in early 2006. The decision not to bid for the MotoGP contract was announced in October 2008.



The decision not to bid for the F1 contract was different - Michelin felt they had been screwed by Ecclestone and said they wouldn't be back until the ground rules for tyre manufacturers were changed. It cost them a lot of money to supply tyres into F1.



As a company, they are probably the biggest name in motorsport - apart from F1, WSBK and MotoGP they have a huge presence worldwide.
 
Michelin has been a public company for decades. They didn't have an 'owner', exactly, but the Michelin family certainly had the lions share of the shares... Edouard Michelin was one of two managing partners, when he died his cousin took over both roles. I don't think there was much infighting over motorsport, it was a purely financial decision. Edouard died in early 2006. The decision not to bid for the MotoGP contract was announced in October 2008.



The decision not to bid for the F1 contract was different - Michelin felt they had been screwed by Ecclestone and said they wouldn't be back until the ground rules for tyre manufacturers were changed. It cost them a lot of money to supply tyres into F1.



As a company, they are probably the biggest name in motorsport - apart from F1, WSBK and MotoGP they have a huge presence worldwide.

I think your being pedantic mate,.
 
And it doesn't look like there re-investing much of that money back into R&D does it.
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Why do you say that? They have just completely overhauled the tyre range.
 
I think your being pedantic mate,.



So you say there was infighting at Michelin because the owner died... which there wasn't, and I am being pedantic... OK, makes sense.



Care to enlighten us pedants with support for your assertion that there was infighting in the Michelin boardroom and that was what led to the demise of their Motorsports programmes?
 
So you say there was infighting at Michelin because the owner died... which there wasn't, and I am being pedantic... OK, makes sense.



Care to enlighten us pedants with support for your assertion that there was infighting in the Michelin boardroom and that was what led to the demise of their Motorsports programmes?

Pedantic because you are trying to focus on minute details ie when the geezer died and trying to make a point that it could not be a cause because it happened 2 years before the inception of the control tyre. Its was well documented the in-fighting at the time and of course im paraphrasing from what was said on tv at the time. 2 years is nothing. Michelin had tyre problems in motogp long before the 08 tyre rule. Dont you remember all the tyres chunking?
 
Mmmmmmm. Things aren,t what they seem.



Double act honey trap with a Crying Game end??



Seems Jumkie is in for a special surprise.
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When BSB is producing 200+MPH and 240+hp, that's when you can be impressed. I wonder how many dead riders there will be this year? Have you seen Knockhill and Cadwell?



The YZR and RG and NSR didn't have 240HP (~190) and they were spitting riders off left, right and centre. Without rider aids we would be seeing a lot more broken riders.



I don't see the issue with it - those that can ride without rider aids are faster than those that can't. While it keeps you safer, it also reduces available performance.



Stoner doesn't ride with less TC because he has big bollocks, he does it because it allows him to have an edge on those others. It makes it harder to ride, but then according to the field, including Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa, he has the best throttle hand that's ever been, so he can do it.



It's as much a curse to those that need it as a boon.



My post ain't about being impressed, its a statement based upon the information provided by the series organization. No traction control, no anti wheelie, no launch control.



Whether that's good or bad is up to the individual.





Been to all BSB tracks apart from knockhill. What's it like ?
 

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