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Is the electronic era illegitimate

Thats what is such a godsend with Stoner, he is old school and uses very little electronics intervention.



Sure Rossi can't ride without electronics aids, and never has, but he will likely disappear soon.
 
completely agree, and Nickys issues last week now highlighted that Track position mapping is most likely constantly being updated during the race, some type of program/engineer altering things from the pits during the race is not what I want to see in Motorcycle racing. A simple way to stop this would be to place a Satelite/RF signal ban or fill the Venues air full of massive blackspots on a race weekend.....that would soon slow this down.....



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From Hamamatsu to Brno - overnight... with a ton of tyres... yep, eminently possible...
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If that were there only plant (which it is not) they could have had that advantage in the Asain rounds like michilin did in the European rounds.

Bridgestone are the largest tyre producer in the world with plants in Belgium Argentina Australia Turkey France Brazil China South Africa Hungary Canada India Italy Costa Rica Indonesia Poland Mexico Japan Spain United States Taiwan Venezuela Thailand

By the way. Stoner is Awesome.
 
Line 6 is short for Line 666. They're the antichrist.



...comes in handy in recording though.



.....still, I love my 12AX7's and EL84's.

I never tried Line 6, but I notice it comes with valves too in a guitar amp. A true 666 combination fit for the devil, that not even Jack Black and Kyle could defeat in a rock off challenge.



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Technology is a MAJOR feature of this sport. I always thought it was about the best riders in the world riding the best technology. If people think it takes something away from the sport and the riders' skill set, then perhaps watching the Tour de France would be more for them - not that there's anything wrong with that. Gizmos or not, they still have to ride the things on the edge. Hats off to all the riders, I say...
 
No gizmo's in BSB johnny pantsdown.

And what racing it is producing!

Oulton was fantastic last weekend. Looked cold though!

So far BSB has had 6 races and 6 different winners!

No electronics is the way forward for good solid close racing!

But MotoGP is prototype racing so every aid allowed is used.

Catch 22!?



When BSB is producing 200+MPH and 240+hp, that's when you can be impressed. I wonder how many dead riders there will be this year? Have you seen Knockhill and Cadwell?



The YZR and RG and NSR didn't have 240HP (~190) and they were spitting riders off left, right and centre. Without rider aids we would be seeing a lot more broken riders.



I don't see the issue with it - those that can ride without rider aids are faster than those that can't. While it keeps you safer, it also reduces available performance.



Stoner doesn't ride with less TC because he has big bollocks, he does it because it allows him to have an edge on those others. It makes it harder to ride, but then according to the field, including Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa, he has the best throttle hand that's ever been, so he can do it.



It's as much a curse to those that need it as a boon.
 
Bridgestone are the largest tyre producer in the world with plants in...



Bridgestone are the largest tyre producer in the world with motorcycle tyre plants at Nasu, Japan... where they make 30,000 tyres a day. The only other site making bike tyres makes low-volume ATV tyres and is part of an automobile tyre plant.



The GP tyres are hand-made at the Kodaira factory, near Tokyo



The workers that hand-make those GP tyres are very experienced, very specialised. You really are showing a deal of naiveté if you think that they can just up and make them at any plant. If that was the case, they would have done so back when they were competing with Michelin. It wasn't that they didn't want to, they just couldn't make overnight tyres and get them to the race... Michelin had a similar problem in Australia, USA, Japan, Malaysia - so for those rounds, they didn't - what they had was a specialist truck that could make a couple or four tyres specifically for Rossi and his team-mate and selected others, but due to the nature of GP tyres, it was a very limited run.



Michelin and Bridgestone have a very different ethos when it comes to racing tyres. Bridgestone make 'the best' carcass they can, then adjust the compound to give the characteristics the riders want. Michelin have set compounds and vary the carcass to give the characteristics the riders want. This allowed Michelin to have this on-site service. They didn't need to have a mini-factory, they had their (limited) range of compounds, the 'special' was all about the lay-up of the tyre. Bridgestone, to offer the same service would need a chemistry lab on wheels, with the necessary constituents to mix, mould, bake a tyre to a specific formula - which is why they needed to make them in Kodaira, not in the back of a truck.



A GP tyre isn't just stamped out like any other road tyre - it takes about 10 hours to make. It takes specialist hardware, moulds and chemistry. It takes special autoclaves to cure them and most of all, it takes a team of very, very specialised workers to do it.
 
When BSB is producing 200+MPH and 240+hp, that's when you can be impressed. I wonder how many dead riders there will be this year? Have you seen Knockhill and Cadwell?



The YZR and RG and NSR didn't have 240HP (~190) and they were spitting riders off left, right and centre. Without rider aids we would be seeing a lot more broken riders.



I don't see the issue with it - those that can ride without rider aids are faster than those that can't. While it keeps you safer, it also reduces available performance.



Stoner doesn't ride with less TC because he has big bollocks, he does it because it allows him to have an edge on those others. It makes it harder to ride, but then according to the field, including Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa, he has the best throttle hand that's ever been, so he can do it.



It's as much a curse to those that need it as a boon.



When BSB is producing 200mph and 240+hp then I believe you will see a lot more incidents!

As for when I can be impressed. I thought that was more of a personal choice and reserve the right to be impressed with what I see fit thanks, Not that in any of the posts above is the word impressed used.
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As for how many fatalities!? Again I do not think of such things (bad thoughts make bad things happen). so I just enjoy the racing and if such an incident does occur then I grieve. The rest of the time I smile!

Also I have not the time to look back ATM but after watching all three meetings this weekend (the top class in each) I don't think there was much difference between WSBK and BSB on the number of rider incidents.

Deffo something to keep an eye on in the future
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Bridgestone are the largest tyre producer in the world with motorcycle tyre plants at Nasu, Japan... where they make 30,000 tyres a day. The only other site making bike tyres makes low-volume ATV tyres and is part of an automobile tyre plant.



The GP tyres are hand-made at the Kodaira factory, near Tokyo



The workers that hand-make those GP tyres are very experienced, very specialised. You really are showing a deal of naiveté if you think that they can just up and make them at any plant. If that was the case, they would have done so back when they were competing with Michelin. It wasn't that they didn't want to, they just couldn't make overnight tyres and get them to the race... Michelin had a similar problem in Australia, USA, Japan, Malaysia - so for those rounds, they didn't - what they had was a specialist truck that could make a couple or four tyres specifically for Rossi and his team-mate and selected others, but due to the nature of GP tyres, it was a very limited run.



Michelin and Bridgestone have a very different ethos when it comes to racing tyres. Bridgestone make 'the best' carcass they can, then adjust the compound to give the characteristics the riders want. Michelin have set compounds and vary the carcass to give the characteristics the riders want. This allowed Michelin to have this on-site service. They didn't need to have a mini-factory, they had their (limited) range of compounds, the 'special' was all about the lay-up of the tyre. Bridgestone, to offer the same service would need a chemistry lab on wheels, with the necessary constituents to mix, mould, bake a tyre to a specific formula - which is why they needed to make them in Kodaira, not in the back of a truck.



A GP tyre isn't just stamped out like any other road tyre - it takes about 10 hours to make. It takes specialist hardware, moulds and chemistry. It takes special autoclaves to cure them and most of all, it takes a team of very, very specialised workers to do it.

As i said, bridgestone could have done over nighters in the Asain rounds if that's the way they wanted to compete (which it wasn't). They also had the finance and infrastructure to set up plants to make these tyes anywhere they pleased if that's what they wanted. Anything Michelin did or could do was also possible for Bridgestone (being a far larger company) but they chose a different route. As history showed, the Bridgestone route was the right path in the end.
 
Anything Michelin did or could do was also possible for Bridgestone (being a far larger company) but they chose a different route. As history showed, the Bridgestone route was the right path in the end.

I disagree. I think both companies should have continued, which as I recall both wished to do, with ducati at least prepared to be a michelin factory team. I am at a loss to know where any money was saved, except perhaps by bridgestone, who said they didn't want the control tyre anyway, or to see how competition was made more even; I think costs were increased markedly for ducati, and the control tyre actually advantaged honda and yamaha and disadvantaged ducati, suzuki and kawasaki, and contributed to the demise of the latter two.
 
KT88 man myself, in my stereo not in a guitar amplifier.



I try to stay clear of audiophile hifi stuff for as long as possible, because I know once I go there, I'll go completely overboard. For my vinyl and tapes (yes, I still play tapes on occasion), I'm running an old Yamaha nautral sound hifi amp with a set of old Bose 20(?) and a set of (very beaten up) Wharfdales (very simple ones). The amp sounds great, but I would love to go tube with some better speakers.
 
I disagree. I think both companies should have continued, which as I recall both wished to do, with ducati at least prepared to be a michelin factory team. I am at a loss to know where any money was saved, except perhaps by bridgestone, who said they didn't want the control tyre anyway, or to see how competition was made more even; I think costs were increased markedly for ducati, and the control tyre actually advantaged honda and yamaha and disadvantaged ducati, suzuki and kawasaki, and contributed to the demise of the latter two.

Michelin's owner died i think. Then there was massive in-fighting in the board room for control and direction of the company . Some wanted to continue in motorsport but many did not. This in-fighting started to show with the product not being up to scratch with no improvement for the future in sight. Because of this Rossi and pedrosa defected because of these issues but a control tyre was already being looked at by Dorna, FIM ect. Any bid by Michelin to be the sole supplier was just wishful thinking by those within the company who wanted to carry on in motorsport. Bridgestone did not really want to be the sole supplier but because of michelin company problem, Dunlop being too small and already supplying the lower classes and Pirelli being committed to wsb only left Bridgestone and Metzeler. Cant remember why Metzeler were not considered but they were supplying tyres for the Boxer cup.
 
Bridgestone have made an absolute packet on GP tyres... they get around €120k per rider. Check their published accounts from last year - not only MotoGP but F1 and other race series have made their race tyre division extremely profitable.



There was a lot of talk about cost savings by going to a single supplier, but then a lot of the cost of tyres is born by Dorna.
 
Bridgestone have made an absolute packet on GP tyres... they get around €120k per rider. Check their published accounts from last year - not only MotoGP but F1 and other race series have made their race tyre division extremely profitable.



There was a lot of talk about cost savings by going to a single supplier, but then a lot of the cost of tyres is born by Dorna.

And it doesn't look like there re-investing much of that money back into R&D does it.
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Michelin's owner died i think. Then there was massive in-fighting in the board room for control and direction of the company . Some wanted to continue in motorsport but many did not. This in-fighting started to show with the product not being up to scratch with no improvement for the future in sight. Because of this Rossi and pedrosa defected because of these issues but a control tyre was already being looked at by Dorna, FIM ect. Any bid by Michelin to be the sole supplier was just wishful thinking by those within the company who wanted to carry on in motorsport. Bridgestone did not really want to be the sole supplier but because of michelin company problem, Dunlop being too small and already supplying the lower classes and Pirelli being committed to wsb only left Bridgestone and Metzeler. Cant remember why Metzeler were not considered but they were supplying tyres for the Boxer cup.

No doubt michelin had systemic problems, and perhaps couldn't even sustain the cost of the sns tyres, as I don't recall them objecting to the demise of those tyres. I thought they were prepared to continue, not as a control tyre supplier, but as a continuing supplier without the control tyre rule as long as they had a team or teams to supply, and ducati said they were prepared to switch to them rather than have a control tyre.
 
I try to stay clear of audiophile hifi stuff for as long as possible, because I know once I go there, I'll go completely overboard. For my vinyl and tapes (yes, I still play tapes on occasion), I'm running an old Yamaha nautral sound hifi amp with a set of old Bose 20(?) and a set of (very beaten up) Wharfdales (very simple ones). The amp sounds great, but I would love to go tube with some better speakers.

I don't play tapes, but play lots of vinyl.
 

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