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Is Lorenzo a worthy champion?

Mh_king: I am in awe of your ability to continually respond rationally to an irrational mind. Your analysis and observations are consistently well thought out, structured and presented. You are the consummate antithesis of the loony bird and a pleasure to have on the forum!!
 
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Mh_king: I am in awe of your ability to continually respond rationally to an irrational mind. Your analysis and observations are consistently well thought out, structured and presented. You are the consummate antithesis of the loony bird and a pleasure to have on the forum!!
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Thanks man, it is very kind and nice from you guys to hear this. For me powerslide is a racing encyclopedia and I learned alot from you guys in this 3 years that i'm following the forum.
 
So Mr Cuckoo, let me see if I understand this correctly.


 


Lorenzo is unworthy (in your eyes) of being called the champion as he was beaten by Pedrosa (and of course Stoner) in the latter stages of the season. 


 


Now, if what you say is correct, may I ask you whether Pedrosa was even worthy or deserving of being in the position to compete against Lorenzo given that Pedrosa has for a number of years now in MotoGP been consistently beaten by Lorenzo, Rossi, Stoner and the occasional other?


 


Iy you assert that of course Pedrosa was worthy, than please, in 500 words or less explain what the difference between Pedrosa's performances up until the 2nd half of 2012 and that of Lorenzo during the 2nd half of season 2012 is that makes one worthy and yet the other not?


 


Thanks you in advance and I await your response


 


 


 


MH, and other MiniPuig man fans, this is NOT an attack on Pedrosa so please do not see it as such .   Thanks
 
Gaz
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Gaz
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MH, and other MiniPuig man fans, this is NOT an attack on Pedrosa so please do not see it as such .   Thanks
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its all cool Gaz! In this case I'm with you! Pedrosa has not still proven himself as a title guy and he deserves all the .... people give him about the worthiness of his current place.


Go on friend:D
 
mh_kingcobra
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Thanks man, it is very kind and nice from you guys to hear this. For me powerslide is a racing encyclopedia and I learned alot from you guys in this 3 years that i'm following the forum.
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Shhhhh... I'm trying to build some street cred as an Angry Canadian so my next hip-hip release trends on iTunes...
 
cuckoo bird
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Emilio Alzamora was not riding safe, he does not have the raw speed and talent to beat the competition, just like Jorge Lorenzo.


Apart from his special late braking talent, Alzamora lacks raw speed in other areas.
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Huh?


 


Since you took the bait on that....


 


Ask Kevin Schwantz.
 
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Emilio Alzamora was not riding safe, he does not have the raw speed and talent to beat the competition, just like Jorge Lorenzo.
Apart from his special late braking talent, Alzamora lacks raw speed in other areas.[/quote]I missed this gem of a response. Thanks for quoting it DrNo. Let me see if I got this right: Emilio was not worthy because he tried too hard (not safe) and George is not worthy because he didn't try hard enough (coasted to the championship). This .... just gets better and better!!
 
7 pages of everyone biting on cuckoo bait?  Where is a moderator when you need one?  I remember when Jorge used ti try hard.  It looked something  like this every race week.


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Cuckoo is the most bitter fan I have ever met. 


 


 


I'm too lazy to point out the facts like everyone else has so accurately done.  I will point out with Cuckoo's mindset we cannot debate it, because there is no influencing him on the issue at all even with the facts and stats to back it up.  


 


We on the other hand, <u>generally </u>appreciate the facts on both sides regarding most issues on this forum. 


 


I'm over this topic lol :wallbash:
 
All depends if you take the guy seriously or not...whether the day's slightly dull and needs brightening....and whether you like listening to broken records.
 
MdubSTYLIE
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7 pages of everyone biting on cuckoo bait?  Where is a moderator when you need one?  I remember when Jorge used ti try hard.  It looked something  like this every race week.
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If you had read through every single post in this thread here, I never ever questioned Lorenzo's effort, or never questioned him once for not trying hard. The highside picture is prove of that.

In fact, I debated against the notion that he playing it safe and cruising to the in last 8 races of 2012.


The problem with Lorenzo is not that he is not trying, the problem is his lack of talent and speed against Pedrosa.
 
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Lorenzo playing it safe is just a convenient excuse used to explain why Lorenzo is slower than Pedrosa. I had never seen a rider playing it safe 8 races before the end of the season. No such strategy.


Dear Powersliders, please do correct me if I am wrong.

Is there any such thing as playing it safe with 8 races to go, letting the points lead drop from 30 over down to 18 points, unnecessarily putting oneself into pressure zone?

Is there any such strategy?

Once the gap was down to 18 points, Lucky Lorenzo got another lucky break when Pedrosa was T-Boned in Misano. How lucky can one ever be? Only person who can be luckier is Lorenzo.
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Reading a few of your posts you are saying Pedrosa is a better rider than Lorenzo,faster or whatever.I completely disagree.


Alright maybe Lorenzo wasn't playing it safe the last 8 races 2012,maybe he was being just careful and it was enough,BUT I would also consider that Pedrosa had nothing to loose.Also,in the first half of 2012 when they both had as much to loose Pedrosa wasn't beating Lorenzo very much.


By the way,was Lorenzo lucky when he scored the record in total championshippoints and nearly did it again 2012,never finishing worse than second?


We have different opinions.So be it.
 
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Jorge's win rate pretty close to Valentino Rossi's, somewhere in the region of 40%??  If anyone is going to claim that a rider who wins more than 1 in 3 races entered, over 5 years at the pinnacle of the sport, including 2 world titles is anything other than a superb rider then the conversation is over
 
Remember that guy Rossi whinging and moaning about the lack of updates on the Ducati. Well its my understanding Lorenzo finished 2012 on roughly the same spec Yamaha he started on, just minimal electronic updates. By mid year Honda actually rushed out the 2013 bike to get on top of the chatter issues. In other words, Honda went all out. This is what started Pedro on his winning run. But Pedro had nothing to lose by then, Lorenzo everything to lose and he actually did well to stay calm in the face of the Honda onslaught and still bring home the title when many riders would have crumbled.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Jorge's win rate pretty close to Valentino Rossi's, somewhere in the region of 40%??  If anyone is going to claim that a rider who wins more than 1 in 3 races entered, over 5 years at the pinnacle of the sport, including 2 world titles is anything other than a superb rider then the conversation is over


 
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Ok, I'll correct you. :)  No, thats not what is being debated.  Cookoo is contending Jlo is 'unworthy" to be champ.
 
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Ok, I'll correct you. :)  No, thats not what is being debated.  Cookoo is contending Jlo is 'unworthy" to be champ.
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I think that his win rate and overall success becomes part of the overall backstory that in turn qualifies him as worthy. 


 


Funny thing is Jum, if this dichotomy rings true I would correct all, because both Dani and Jorge are lucky that Stoner didn't stay healthy and just blast his way to his 3rd title. Rossi could have won it if he got the Honda ride as well. Hey - The last 1000cc champion prior to this (give or take 10cc's) was Haystack. 


 


Either way we are all just arguing what might have been. Cuckoo is entitled to his opinion - what he is doing to infuriate the bored and snowed in masses (North Hem) and sweaty victims of a galloping case of jockrot (southern hem) is not moving from his position when presented with contrarian evidence. 


 


Then it isn't an argument, it is the classic Monty python 5 minutes of conjecture (ably modernised by Sienfeld) and of this we are ALL and without exception champions


 


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I think that his win rate and overall success becomes part of the overall backstory that in turn qualifies him as worthy. 


 


Funny thing is Jum...


 


Then it isn't an argument, it is the classic Monty python 5 minutes of conjecture (ably modernised by Sienfeld) and of this we are ALL and without exception champions


 


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You may have missed my (admittedly weak) attempt at wit when I replied to Tom.
 
Gaz
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So Mr Cuckoo, let me see if I understand this correctly.

 

Lorenzo is unworthy (in your eyes) of being called the champion as he was beaten by Pedrosa (and of course Stoner) in the latter stages of the season. 

 

Now, if what you say is correct, may I ask you whether Pedrosa was even worthy or deserving of being in the position to compete against Lorenzo given that Pedrosa has for a number of years now in MotoGP been consistently beaten by Lorenzo, Rossi, Stoner and the occasional other?

 

Iy you assert that of course Pedrosa was worthy, than please, in 500 words or less explain what the difference between Pedrosa's performances up until the 2nd half of 2012 and that of Lorenzo during the 2nd half of season 2012 is that makes one worthy and yet the other not?

 

Thanks you in advance and I await your response

 

 

 

MH, and other MiniPuig man fans, this is NOT an attack on Pedrosa so please do not see it as such .   Thanks
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Lorenzo is not worthy for being a champion not only in my eyes, but the eyes of majority of the MotoGP fans. Its not a coincidence that Yamaha sales are doing badly when Lorenzo is their number one rider and their champion. Consumers are disgusted by how Lorenzo lucked his way into the championship, that is way they chose not to buy Yamaha bikes. That is the reason Yamaha decided to call Rossi back even though he stands a near zero chance to win the title and beat Lorenzo, they need sales of their bikes.


2012 first half - Dani's Honda has setup problems limiting his speed. Lorenzo has a perfectly sorted M1. So Lorenzo winning some races is not a fair competition, its like a boxing match with his rival having one hand tied. Lorenzo's wins are not worthy because of unfair competition.


2012 last 8 races - Dani managed to sort the setup issues. Lorenzo still has the perfect bike. Both bikes are equal.

Dani - 6 wins. All the wins are worthy because he fight against JLo with equal bike performance.

JLo - 1 win ( gifted to him due to Pedrosa being T-Boned). This single win is not worthy because it was gifted to him


Thats the difference between beginning of 2012 and end of 2012.
 
Andy Roo
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I think that his win rate and overall success becomes part of the overall backstory that in turn qualifies him as worthy. 

 

Funny thing is Jum, if this dichotomy rings true I would correct all, because both Dani and Jorge are lucky that Stoner didn't stay healthy and just blast his way to his 3rd title. Rossi could have won it if he got the Honda ride as well. Hey - The last 1000cc champion prior to this (give or take 10cc's) was Haystack. 

 

Either way we are all just arguing what might have been. Cuckoo is entitled to his opinion - what he is doing to infuriate the bored and snowed in masses (North Hem) and sweaty victims of a galloping case of jockrot (southern hem) is not moving from his position when presented with contrarian evidence. 

 

Then it isn't an argument, it is the classic Monty python 5 minutes of conjecture (ably modernised by Sienfeld) and of this we are ALL and without exception champions

 

:drinks: . 
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Rossi is not to be counted into the equation, his championships are all down to luck, most of them as he does not have competition in most of them.
 

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