Interview with Ezpeleta (head of DORNA)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 17 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think yamaha should just go and knock on Magnetti Marelli's door

If you can't beat them, join them by trying to get some of their special stuff


Fiat own Magneti Marelli Andrew. You know - major sponsor of Yamaha?
Judging by how stable the Yamaha is (no bucking & moving ) I'd say they have a pretty good electronics package. Why is it that now the Ducati is also more stable than it had been at the start of the season, that Ducati is considered a superior package? Are the Yam & the Duc only considered equal when the Ducati consistently tries to throw it's rider off?

Simple solution is to just Ban Stoner. Think of all the problems it will solve for Dorna.

Ducati would be crap and the Japanese manufacturers would again be dominating.
Vale would have 5 victories so far and lead Pedrosa by even more than the 16 points he does now.

Then nobody would be talking about traction control or electronics or control tyres etc.
There's your answer - just send Stoner to superbikes.
I mean who does he think he is winning races in Vale's era?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 16 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fiat own Magneti Marelli Andrew.
Judging by how stable the Yamaha is (no bucking & moving ) I'd say they have a pretty good electronics package. Why is it that now the Ducati is also more stable than it had been at the start of the season, that Ducati is considered a superior package? Are the Yam & the Duc only considered equal when the Ducati consistently tries to throw it's rider off?

We know Rossi loses speed on the Ducati, maybe not as much as before but every little thing counts.

If TC takes a little bit of human skill away, what else can you do?

i'm starting to understand this board more and more. you rossi fans are ....... whiners.

news flash rossi fans - the ducati HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FASTEST BIKE. they just finally got someone to ride the thing beyone its limits. and gasp! he is beating rossi. oh no!

get the .... over it. all of this is starting to make me like stoner even more. i'm really enjoying reading all your bitching on here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 16 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm starting to understand this board more and more. you rossi fans are ....... whiners.

news flash rossi fans - the ducati HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FASTEST BIKE. they just finally got someone to ride the thing beyond its limits. and gasp! he is beating rossi. oh no!

get the .... over it. all of this is starting to make me like stoner even more. i'm really enjoying reading all your bitching on here.
yawn.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 17 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think yamaha should just go and knock on Magnetti Marelli's door

If you can't beat them, join them by trying to get some of their special stuff


Well I think by now many have sorted you out on this little bit of ignorance

But its also a funny point to me .... Yamaha also have controlling interest in Ohlins ..... but they also sell to Ducati!


But the upshot of them not being helpful to any other team than their parent company is pretty mucj commercial death .... so I dare say they would never go against a contract with an outside company such as Duc.

Guess what fans?


http://www.yamaha-racing.com/Racing/motogp.../technical3.jsp

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 16 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the ducati HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FASTEST BIKE.

Having the fastest bike is not an advantage when your going sideways.
Electronics have all but ended that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 16 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they just finally got someone to ride the thing beyone its limits. and gasp! he is beating rossi. oh no!

Well Stoner has already proved how great a rider he is by winning everything hes been in
I guess riding with all these electronics is a bonus

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 17 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I think by now many have sorted you out on this little bit of ignorance

Fiat own 56% of Ferrari and they are sponsored by Marlboro.
Conflicting interests.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 17 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guess what fans?


http://www.yamaha-racing.com/Racing/motogp.../technical3.jsp
I think the main conclusions when this topic was previously addressed was that there should not be electronic/fly by wire throttles or gps/ position on track based engine mapping, although it did not appear clear at that time whether the second was as yet in use. Sounds like it may be clear now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 16 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Riders still crash, but the tech is too advanced? If it's so advanced, how come it doesn't make the bikes crash proof? Is anyone so good of a rider that having traction control on their next bike would stop them from enjoying riding? Is fuel consumption efficiency a bad thing? It think part of the problem is we don't get to see what setup changes they make and how riders adjust for changing conditions. We just see them go out and somebody's got it perfect. Personally, if they had more brake/gear/throttle cams I could watch Lorenzo/Stoner/Rossi/Hayden etc go around the track by themselves.
The way to go fast has always been to ride bikes to the edge of crashing. I think ezpeleta's point which has previously been made on here by roger for one is that the crashes are less dangerous now with less high-siding which would seem to be correct to me although jorge lorenzo might disagree.

I actually agree with the fuel restriction although many argue probably correctly that it is a contributor to the lack of close racing; if you are going to develop anything then fuel use would seem to be a good area to pick at this particular time in history, and it is also a de facto control on power.

My main point is that whilst with the 500 2-stroke formula the bikes were developed over decades the 800 bikes were as fast as 990s in 6 months, and the problems with adequate run-off at tracks etc it was meant to address would seem likely to recur quickly. It seems likely even production based superbikes could easily have this problem now or soon. From this point of view wsbk and motogp being controlled by different people seems to be a problem in terms of motogp continuing as the premier formula; I don't really believe that FIM is in charge of either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 16 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guess what fans?


http://www.yamaha-racing.com/Racing/motogp.../technical3.jsp
wow! good find man...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 17 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow! good find man...


Gee Doc ..... TC and Electonics was tried ad-nauseum ages ago ......

to the stunning conclusion that Roger was a fruitcake!

why are you trying it again?!!


Its time to move on ......


I hear the latest rumour is that Stoner uses "MAGIC" to get his unfair advantage!

read about it here:
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...cal_period.html


just thought I'd have a go at misinterpretting stuff and using it before Rog. gets to it