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But will he have the control of mind to not dive bomb anyone in the first race. It would be bad for the sport if he did and he injured himself and missed a few races right away.
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If his bike is at all competitive for the title he won’t do that. On last year’s Honda pushing for a high position on the first lap was his only avenue to respectable finishing position, and he did eventually decide he couldn’t compete for wins and backed off from being as aggressive. Sure he should have made that decision earlier in the interests of his competitors, but no one has ever accused him of not being single minded, like the other great riders. He wasn’t completely alone in that approach either, which is close to mandatory in the sprint races Dorna thought were a good idea, quite independently of F1 of course.
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I've seen that the Ducati can support a variety of ride styles which is one of the reasons there are so many Ducati riders up the pointy end.
With MM's experience I'm sure he will work out what style of riding will best suit him on the Ducati rather than simply copying a particular rider's style
It appears that he is already at a point of getting it on the podium at selected tracks and as he learns how to change his ride style there will be more tracks we will see him on the podium, what we need to do is not write him off if he sucks at the first race
Right now I'm looking forward to seeing who Marc looks to for a tow during qualifying. I mean, they are all one big, happy family now. LOL
I doubt he will need to do that on a Ducati, whatever the 2023 bike lacks in comparison with the 2024 Ducati is unlikely to be much in the way of straight line speed,; I agree with the view on a previous thread that Gigi’s aero was mainly designed to negate the advantage MM had because of what he could do with the front of a bike without aero. I also doubt he has lost his career long ability to bring when needed a single banzai/bonkers lap on his own cf his last laps at Assen 2015 and PI 2015 and pole lsp at Sepang 2015.
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Just felt the need to point out, to those (long gone members) who said this forum had lost its mojo and predicted its death, that back in the "hay day" this forum was largely dead after Jerez and didn't really come to life at all til two weeks before Qatar, that it is now more vital than ever. Or at least, that is my perception. If I'm wrong, shoot me.
Fewer posters perhaps, but several diehard active posters.
Very different in terms of attitude to Rossi by my recollection at least of the forum back in 2006 and 2007, which is fine with me of course but a little tough on those who appreciate Rossi’s very genuine talent and achievements without being among the rabid element of his fanbase/Valeban.
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Wasn't here then but it's a great read now
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I appreciate his talent but don't see it as head and shoulders above others.
It is hard to separate that on track appreciation from his off track political manoevres designed to negate the performance of his competition.
There from his time against Biaggi, so there for a long time and it got worse.
The fact that many of his supporters also hate Marquez, makes it hard not to dislike him, given he has largely orchestrated that.
Marquez is/was head and shoulders above most given that ability to paint lines on the track with the front tyre. Largely negated (by design imo) with aero, ride height and tyres unfortunately.
Sure, I completely share your attitude, but it didn’t really become obvious to me that he wasn’t a bystander to the actions of some of his fanbase until 2015. I was and am a Stoner fanboy so I give Valentino considerable blame for making Stoner’s life miserable even when he was winning, not that Casey had a personality suited to the limelight to start with. I wasn’t exactly a fan, but thought he was an all time great rider and was surprised that Stoner beating such a great rider in 2007 resulted in vilification rather than praise.Wasn't here then but it's a great read now
A very knowledgeable former poster in Povol put it best imo, Rossi is one of the greats but not on a pedestal above the other greats as many including both he and I had once considered to be the case. He was fairly spectacular in his pomp and gave followers of the sport every reason to be fans of his riding.
Another excellent former poster in Birdman who was as he put it of “all things a Biaggi fan” recognised much earlier than I did that weaponising his fanbase was a career long tactic of Rossi’s. I somewhat bought the anti-Biaggi stuff early on because of Max’s similar contretemps with Mick Doohan.
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Casey Stoner insists that Honda prioritised Marc Marquez's feedback above other riders'
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From where I sit, there's definitely a negative attitude towards Rossi to the point where it trickles down to riders/teams with any association with him, Bagnaia and Bezzechi being examples. The 'can't do no wrong' and 'can't do no good' attitudes are two sides of the same coin. They can't seem to be their own persons, and unlike Rossi, there are likely many years left with them on the grid, with a lot to discuss about the good and bad. Hopefully, Rossi's claimed influence on them in all ways will feature less when having discussions about their doings on and off-track.
I've seriously contemplated quietly backing out of this forum because of this and it definitely has contributed to my decline in active participation. But that's just me. I know where the door is and will be sure to close it on the way out whenever. I won't slam it.
Just sharing how I feel about this.
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Definitely not a Valeban - more neutral and have actually read a biography on him out of interest. Same for Stoner. I'm a big Stoner fan both as a rider and as an individual. But these riders are multifaceted, especially the more successful, and invariably ruthless ones. The Stoner/Rossi rivalry was hence, darned exciting to witness.
Marc is himself, quite ruthless in his own way. But his sheer talent mixed with an element (the enemy of my enemy is my friend influence) makes it unsurprising that he gets so much slack for his questionable antics. With him, I'm just as neutral as I was with Rossi. I see Biaggi as I saw Lorenzo. Mercurial characters, though quite clean on track.
Marc is himself, quite ruthless in his own way. But his sheer talent mixed with an element (the enemy of my enemy is my friend influence) makes it unsurprising that he gets so much slack for his questionable antics. With him, I'm just as neutral as I was with Rossi. I see Biaggi as I saw Lorenzo. Mercurial characters, though quite clean on track.
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Not that I disagree. I think Marc going to ducati is the main reason for the borum's off season popularity. Stoner kept this place active back in the day as did Val and his ......... I think because of Marc it will be a very active place during the season also. No matter if MM succeeds or not, there will be a lot to talk about. To think all I had to do was prove you wrong and I could have.................nevermind.
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All the wackiness and drama here, was funny, in the way it is when you look back with years of perspective, like when as an adult you fondly reminisce about that time you overdosed on pills and booze and survived, or like when as an ..... youth, you jumped off the roof of your garage and hit the edge of the swimming pool and ended up in a body cast for 8 months or that time you took a corner too fast in the family car and flipped it 3 times and lived to tell the tale.Wasn't here then but it's a great read now
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Not unlike when the forum endless speculated about how Nicky’s flat-tracking background made him the pre-season candidate most likely to whip the Ducati into shape and kick Rossi's ....
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Hang in there misfit, should be a great season with lots of twists and turns, I am looking forward to all the constructive conversation as the racing progresses.I've seriously contemplated quietly backing out of this forum because of this and it definitely has contributed to my decline in active participation. But that's just me. I know where the door is and will be sure to close it on the way out whenever. I won't slam it.
Just sharing how I feel about this.
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Personally, I'm at peace with strong opinions, as long as they don't devolve into a lot of ad hominem ........ attacks on those who disagree with them.From where I sit, there's definitely a negative attitude towards Rossi to the point where it trickles down to riders/teams with any association with him, Bagnaia and Bezzechi being examples. The 'can't do no wrong' and 'can't do no good' attitudes are two sides of the same coin. They can't seem to be their own persons, and unlike Rossi, there are likely many years left with them on the grid, with a lot to discuss about the good and bad. Hopefully, Rossi's claimed influence on them in all ways will feature less when having discussions about their doings on and off-track.
I've seriously contemplated quietly backing out of this forum because of this and it definitely has contributed to my decline in active participation. But that's just me. I know where the door is and will be sure to close it on the way out whenever. I won't slam it.
Just sharing how I feel about this.
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Agree, debate the post not the poster and if a post or thread isn't of interest to you then ignore it
Imo Bagnaia at least gets fair recognition of his achievements on here, no one disputes he was a worthy winner of his 2 titles, and a 3rd title would obviously put him fairly high in the pantheon. He hasn’t put together the type of dominant consistent season the likes of Doohan, Rossi, Stoner and MM did in their best seasons, which could be down to the strength of his opposition or the nature of the aero bikes, but he has without any shadow of doubt been a clutch performer at the end iof 2 straight seasons now. As with Stoner people can’t be required to like his personality, but I don’t think there is much outright dislike of him.From where I sit, there's definitely a negative attitude towards Rossi to the point where it trickles down to riders/teams with any association with him, Bagnaia and Bezzechi being examples. The 'can't do no wrong' and 'can't do no good' attitudes are two sides of the same coin. They can't seem to be their own persons, and unlike Rossi, there are likely many years left with them on the grid, with a lot to discuss about the good and bad. Hopefully, Rossi's claimed influence on them in all ways will feature less when having discussions about their doings on and off-track.
I've seriously contemplated quietly backing out of this forum because of this and it definitely has contributed to my decline in active participation. But that's just me. I know where the door is and will be sure to close it on the way out whenever. I won't slam it.
Just sharing how I feel about this.
You are one of the people I was thinking of in regard to it being possible to appreciate Rossi without qualifying for the Valebsn.
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