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MigsAngel
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I agree about the Suzuki.  Hopper was hampered by Hopper.


 


My point is KRJR slid down and out of the GPs rather unceremoniously, and that is what is happening to Nicky now. 


 


Nicky might get a sniff at a podium over the next 2 years but only when much of proper prototype field falls down or are injured.


Junior's exit was quite ignominious and slightly embittered - I agree, but he was largely done with it by then, so it was partially his own decision. I'm sure as so many have, he could have continued to circulate for the pension pot had he so desired. Nicky meanwhile still has the desire to ride in Moto GP. I honestly think he'd surprise a few of the sceptics given a full spec RCV213v.
 
Arrabbiata1
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 Nicky meanwhile still has the desire to ride in Moto GP. I honestly think he'd surprise a few of the sceptics given a full spec RCV213v.


 


It is not likely Nicky is going to get any chance at riding the full spec RCV21Xv anytime soon, and so his results will have to be based on his riding the 'Open' category bike.  Take heart he has a great chance of being the 2014 Open Champion, surely that is what USA Honda has paid for...  
 
MigsAngel
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It is not likely Nicky is going to get any chance at riding the full spec RCV21Xv anytime soon, and so his results will have to be based on his riding the 'Open' category bike.  Take heart he has a great chance of being the 2014 Open Champion, surely that is what USA Honda has paid for...  


No, I wasn't suggesting that he would be afforded that chance - merely asserting that he would likely do better than many would suppose having been disproportionately handicapped for so long. Now be an angel and change the record.
 
MigsAngel
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Nicky's best days in racing are definitely behind him, and most racing fans realize this is the case. It is just the fanboy stalkers that think he's got some winning ways left in him.....


 


As you say Nicky is the token American, and Dorna helped / fixed (conspiracy / favoritism) it to keep Hodor around for another couple of seasons.   Why? There seems to be are NO other Americans ready, able or willing to step up to GPs right now.


 


USA Honda kicked in enough money to cover the bike costs and probably some part of Nicky's salary.  Why? so Nicky can be their Tool....and this tool will sell motorbikes, t-shirts, baseball hats, lawnmowers, snowblowers and other garden tools to his fanboys.


 


I've been saying it for some time now, Nicky is on the KRJR career path.....win a title, stay on second rate factory team even though his results did not warrant the ride, then he is push to the back of the grid on some third rate bike, and then to slide out the back door of GPs without anyone really noticing or caring.....


 


But like i said Nicky did better than i expected, the 1:34s he was running are pretty much were i thought he'd be......either way good luck to him.. 


You did mention "win a title" , hardly trivial in either Nicky's or KRJr's case.
 
yakamoto san
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I think Abraham as a Honda too.


Cool. If so, that makes 4 riders...so 8 bikes(?)

HRC said they'd make 5. What happens in a PI scenario? And further, where are the rest, it seems they've barely put 2 out there thus far.
 
Dr No
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Cool. If so, that makes 4 riders...so 8 bikes(?)

HRC said they'd make 5. What happens in a PI scenario? And further, where are the rest, it seems they've barely put 2 out there thus far.


 


I'm assuming for logistical reasons they didn't worry about bringing more than the 2 bikes and that really they were for final shakedown purposes anyway, eg. Hayden needed a different screen because his head didn't fit behind the first one and Redding needs some further adjustments to accomodate his height. Also some issue with the wiring loom routing.


 


Did Honda say they're making 5 bikes or that they could supply up to 5 riders?
 
They said 5 bikes, but he meant they would be supplying 5 riders.


 


4 sold and one for wildcard/test riders
 
lil red rocket pilot
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You have to take in to account that hayden is on a different machine, he still has to learn what a bike with front end feel, feels like to ride again.


You are a little too quick to judge,


Personally been watching Cal and not liking what I see, but will give it time,


Too early to judge ;)


Yet some chastised for others not jumping on the bandwagon of the-insider's way-too-early judgements…. Kiddy, Sloth… (although sloth is now in full denial mode…)
 
Arrabbiata1
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Now be an angel and change the record.


 


Sure...as i have said before...so long as others stop talking about non-existent conspiracies, Spanish favortism and a a new one that Rossi doesnt deserve his Yamaha.... 


You think this will happen...? ;)
 
MigsAngel
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Sure...as i have said before...so long as others stop talking about non-existent conspiracies, Spanish favortism and a a new one that Rossi doesnt deserve his Yamaha.... 


You think this will happen...? ;)


Migs, you think CEII should be taking NGM Forward seat? 
 
L8Braker
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Migs, you think CEII should be taking NGM Forward seat? 


 


I think Colin should be retiring.  However, there is probably no one better to develop the Dorna Spec ECU with the M1 engine. 


Maybe 2014 will be his last year.
 
Arrabbiata1
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Outside?


Well insider, if you're reading this. Sure you're going to cop some flak mate haha don't worry about it , we have all been there. I hope your not going to stay away because your 0.3 was way off. You still had good knowledge on GP and like a debate. That's all that really matters here.
 
7. Andrea Iannone ITA Energy T.I. Pramac Racing (GP13) 1m 31.594s (49/69)
<span style="color:#0000ff;8. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Forward Racing (FTR-Yamaha M1) 1m 31.644s (45/49)

9. AndreaDovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP13) 1m 31.716s  (33/36)

10. Cal Crutchlow GBR Ducati Team (GP13) 1m 31.875s (44/54)

11. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Test Team (GP13) 1m 31.883s  (47/58)
<span style="color:#ff0000;12. Nicky Hayden USA Power Electronics Aspar (Honda RCV1000R) 1m 32.123s (37/40)

13. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Power Electronics Aspar (Honda RCV1000R) 1m 32.530s (27/60)

14. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 1m 33.055s (43/44)

 
Austin
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I dont think A.Espagaro is feeling as bad about his move as he was last week...


 


Cal on the other hand is greatly wishing he is going faster, but maybe his factory salary money bags are slowing him down.... :)
 
The reports that the RCV-R was near the RCV-Works machine were wildly exaggerated.  But at least he looks good riding it.


 


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xx CURVE xx, on 13 Nov 2013 - 10:02, said:

Its better to look good than feel good


Well, I feel good looking at Nicky...


So a few thoughts, its early in the frustratingly short testing season (where the 'CRT' 'open' ........ class are at a disadvantage, as if it were not already enough they are starting from scratch with the new ECU rule); but, here are a few reflections and opinions:


All the Duc-tape bikes were within a half second of eachother, where Cal was 0.02 ahead of Nicky (virtually tie). The GP13 Cal rode was a bike that had been raced and "developed" all year, with a crew of mechanics that know the bike. So basically Cal needed to work through setting up his ergonomics to help him feel comfortable, and a base set up so he could provide feedback. The hopes of employing another Casey can be put to rest, though Cal's debut was respectable. Where as the RCV-R was taken out of the bubble wrap and the mechanics as well as the riders had their first look at the machine. (Have you ever tried to put something together from IKEA?)


If Ducati didn't realize they are competing in a series not suited for them, where the most appropriate action should be immediately tender and execution of their exit from MotoGP, then they will never understand the game. Honda basically created a bike from scratch and in its first ever shake down equalled Ducati's several years of development, that is embarrassing. Though the RCV-R is not without its immediate 'fit and finish' problems, as I read for example a wiring loom was out of whack. I doubt they will have any engines blowing up though. Clearly the RCV-R is not what we were led to believe by Honda (and our now infamous 'insider') but it will improve. So if the thing out of the crate was within striking distance of the Ducatis (I know, this is not saying much) well at very least it has the potential to further embarrass Ducati, as lets face it, the 3rd tier (fraction of the cost) Honda RCV-R (1 million Euros) wasn't gong to be challenging the 2nd tier (3 million Euro) satellites, (the economics just didn't make cents, and as they say, for clues, follow the money). So far it looks like a lateral move of sorts, with the added advantage its unlikely Nicky will suffer any engine blow-ups during a race as he had to endure this season (think Japanese reliability vs Italian). (Sidenote: I respect Ducati for trying, but I've argued, they don't belong in an HRC dominated series).


Where can the RCV-R go from here after their first test? Well obviously improve, the magnitude of that improvement is of course the 2 million Euro question. Other than getting Bridgestone to offer the RCV-R a specifically suitable tire, the most significant area of improvement will be fine tuning and manipulating the electronics package. The "open" class (I already hate this moniker, as the class is decidedly 'closed' in terms of the restriction to use Dorna's software) will have to make do with whatever limitations Dorna has factored into their ECU. JK and I were grappling with this aspect and tried to come to terms with the viability of this 'one-size fits all' ECU from Dorna to be employed by all the diverse teams and respective machines. We get that the hardware part of the system is easy enough to understand, as each will have their particular "box" (Magneti Marelli for Aspar) but if the RCV-R was created with the complex Honda electronics and now must run the Dorna software, just how seamless can this transition be to employ a Dorna ECU given this is the area of greatest complexity? I don't know the answer, but perhaps our more learned members could speculate? (You too, 'inciter' AKA 'in-sider'). Ha!


When they interviewed Aspar's Gino Borsoi (crew chef), he mentioned they didn't cook up anything on the geometry of the machine, much less the electronics. He said all they did was work on getting Nicky to fit on the bike (they cut back the bubble for example). Then let Nicky ride it around to catalog first impressions and feedback. This lead to some small adjustments to the suspension, he said, but nothing major. What I understand from this is they basically put the bike together and check to see that everything fit. Keep in mind, we are talking about a Japanese product here, and they pretty much produce .... that is as close to a finished product as possible. I don't know how much design was made with the Dorna ECU in mind, not even sure it was available to them even if they wanted to use it, but I'm sure this will be the most challenging part of the project going forward.


The Forward Racing Yamaha is utilizing the exact factory spec engine and significant bits (swing arm, chassis, etc), so from the get go it was destined to be fairly sorted, as they basically dismantled an M1 and re-assembled it in another garage. In retrospect, the fact it was several tenths ahead of the RCV-R shouldn't have been too much of a surprise (that is had we not been biased by the hype surrounding the RCV-R). Even then, it was still impressive on their first shakedown (keep in mind the Forward mechanics were basically in the same boat as were the Aspar ones). In as much as there is room for improvement for the RCV-R, same goes for the Forward Racing Yamaha, except that in the case of Forward Racing, they will have the opportunity to make improvements to the chassis where as with the RCV-R, what you get is what you get for the entire season. The next available upgrade for the RCV-R is to come at next year's season end at a tune of 500K Euros.
 
^^ matt roberts wrote stoners book and lorenzos. Will Jumkie write haydens ??  i ....... hope not. We will see de-forestation on a scale never seen before.
 

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