Honda RCV1000R

hawkdriver · Nov 7, 2013

Okay well disregard my last post, I honestly just hate to get my hopes up after the last insider claiming Nicky was going to do good because the bike was good now. Aspar have said they are expecting 7 tenths from the factory RCV213 from the information they have and that isn't getting anyone on a podium in GP.

Sloth_27 · Nov 7, 2013

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Okay well disregard my last post, I honestly just hate to get my hopes up after the last insider claiming Nicky was going to do good because the bike was good now. Aspar have said they are expecting 7 tenths from the factory RCV213 from the information they have and that isn't getting anyone on a podium in GP.

Keep in mind that Aspar has reasons to talk down the package a little bit in the same way that HRC will want to talk it up - it's all about managing expectations.

Austin · Nov 7, 2013

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Keep in mind that Aspar has reasons to talk down the package a little bit in the same way that HRC will want to talk it up - it's all about managing expectations.

Actually, I disagree with this. It would seem to me that what's good for HRC is good for Aspar. The more they promote the capabilities of this machine, they likelier they are to drum up sponsorship. The disparity in expectations is confusing to me and I'm not sure what to make of it. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between, at that magic half-second mark we've been discussing for months now.

Sloth_27 · Nov 7, 2013

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Actually, I disagree with this. It would seem to me that what's good for HRC is good for Aspar. The more they promote the capabilities of this machine, they likelier they are to drum up sponsorship. The disparity in expectations is confusing to me and I'm not sure what to make of it. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between, at that magic half-second mark we've been discussing for months now.

I was thinking that Aspar was probably trying to manage the expectations of his existing sponsors. That is, if at the end of the Valencia test they aren't quite up to speed he won't be getting phone calls asking what the hell is going on. If he says 0.7 and they go 0.6, high fives all round.

Austin · Nov 7, 2013

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I was thinking that Aspar was probably trying to manage the expectations of his existing sponsors. That is, if at the end of the Valencia test they aren't quite up to speed he won't be getting phone calls asking what the hell is going on. If he says 0.7 and they go 0.6, high fives all round.

Fair point. Although I'd think the freshness of the product lends itself nicely to the "teething process" excuse.

Dr No · Nov 7, 2013

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drunk or high? :lol:

ha! Sadly, neither. This thread is making me stupid(er).

Though I am just about to start a working on the drunk side. Salud.

the-insider · Nov 8, 2013

Dennis Noyes, with the introduction of the new Honda's (production racer) they are so good Valentino could be racing for 8th.

Jumkie · Nov 8, 2013

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Dennis Noyes, with the introduction of the new Honda's (production racer) they are so good Valentino could be racing for 8th.

Nah man, now that VR has fired JB, thats good for at least .80 secs a lap.

Hawk & Doc, Austin is way too nice of a guy and far too smart to fall for the 'I never said' tactic. He knows In-sider never said he worked for HRC, hes saying u guys asking him questions as if he did. Keep up.

Also, I have to agree with Aspar's extrapolation, if the proddy is .3 back then where would that put the satellite, .1 or identical?

the-insider · Nov 8, 2013

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Nah man, now that VR has fired JB, thats good for at least .80 secs a lap.

Hawk & Doc, Austin is way too nice of a guy and far too smart to fall for the 'I never said' tactic. He knows In-sider never said he worked for HRC, hes saying u guys asking him questions as if he did. Keep up.

Also, I have to agree with Aspar's extrapolation, if the proddy is .3 back then where would that put the satellite, .1 or identical?

Apart from the brakes and suspension, Alvaro and Stefan's bikes were identical to the Repsol bikes at the start of the year, that's what you get for your money, HRC don't give out last years kit like Yamaha, upgrades go to the factory squad first and the levels of direct support are not the same, but as Aspar has seen all this staggering of factory levels in 125 and 250s with Aprilia over many years, I don't se why he is saying this.

Geonerd · Nov 8, 2013

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ha! Sadly, neither. This <strike>thread</strike> forum is making me stupid(er).

Save yourself, Doctor! Leave now, while you can still count to ten.

Dr No · Nov 8, 2013

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Hawk & Doc, Austin is way too nice of a guy and far too smart to fall for the 'I never said' tactic. He knows In-sider never said he worked for HRC, hes saying u guys asking him questions as if he did. Keep up.

Any examples, Jum? My questions were deliberately generic. Deliberately. You may have noticed? No? Keep up.

JohnnyKnockdown · Nov 8, 2013

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Save yourself, Doctor! Leave now, while you can still count to ten.

You should take your own advice

AnnoyingTwit · Nov 8, 2013

I would think that the main factor controlling competitiveness of the RCV will be Dorna's calculation (guess?) as to how much fuel it will be allowed compared to the factory bikes. Too little, and the RCV will be playing the CRT role. Too much, and it could be the bike to have.

Dr No · Nov 8, 2013

It gets lots. 24litres. Which means less high-lec lean off smarts required in the Std ECU. Still rev limited to 16k, though. So down on power.

Mick D · Nov 8, 2013

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Really? I said it would be competitive. it is...

How do you draw that conclusion? The bike hasn't even turned a wheel in an official test with its MGP riders, much less turned a race lap. Testing will be interesting for the next few months, but we will not know how 'competitive' it is until midway thru next season.

the-insider · Nov 9, 2013

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How do you draw that conclusion? The bike hasn't even turned a wheel in an official test with its MGP riders, much less turned a race lap. Testing will be interesting for the next few months, but we will not know how 'competitive' it is until midway thru next season.

Casey got to within 0.17 of his times on the factory bike, if that doesn't say competitive, nothing does. Testing will be done with only two bikes, so personal settings will be compromised to a degree, The few who gave me a hard time and called what I said as ........ can still cling on to your initial views, but what I said was correct, this bike is good, look what Dennis Noyes has said, he's been in the paddock for 30 years and knows exactly what he is talking about, look at it this way, some in the paddock are asking whether Casey would have got within 0.17 of his time on a factory Yamaha.

Sloth_27 · Nov 9, 2013

Perhaps HRC just want to flex their muscle after some lean years. It's a hotshot Honda lineup next year when you look at it - Marquez Pedrosa Bradl Bautista Hayden & Redding. Aside from Lorenzo, it could be slim pickings for Yamaha next season. I expect Pol to be good by mid season, but Smith has a long way to go and Rossi could end up in the wilderness if things don't work out right away.

AnnoyingTwit · Nov 9, 2013

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It gets lots. 24litres. Which means less high-lec lean off smarts required in the Std ECU. Still rev limited to 16k, though. So down on power.

Unless the works bikes are significantly more efficient, wouldn't the proddy racers therefore have the potential to make more power when averaged across the entire race? Higher peak power will be very useful for passing of course, but isn't there some bottom line where the bikes can't make more power across the entire race than is present in the potential energy of the restricted amount of fuel?

Sloth_27 · Nov 9, 2013

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Unless the works bikes are significantly more efficient, wouldn't the proddy racers therefore have the potential to make more power when averaged across the entire race? Higher peak power will be very useful for passing of course, but isn't there some bottom line where the bikes can't make more power across the entire race than is present in the potential energy of the restricted amount of fuel?

The point is that they can only use so much fuel with a 16k rev limit. Honda are already saying they probably won't even need the 24L they are allowed, more like 22L. At tracks like Motegi where fuel is a big issue maybe the RCV will make good with the extra fuel, especially if the M1 doesn't make some economy improvements.

xx CURVE xx · Nov 9, 2013

$5 says the non factory Honda > non factory Yamaha.

And way better than fac duc.

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