Honda RCV1000R

3672341383866749

Hear is my take why honda charges more for sat bikes. while the production bike is essentially a copy of the current honda except for motor and trans. the thing is the factory bike will be able to get upgrades through out the season and eventually the sat bikes will get same upgrades. so that is why they pay more. i have an interesting question for you guys aspar seems to have the most money of the other crt teams will they be able to upraged parts such as say instead of using nissin brakes they pay for brembos or suspension upgrades? and is anyone else looking forward to this test more then me should be vary interesting 

Click to expand...

3640931382153110

Good morning, I have read many comments on the rcv1000r, so I thought I would say a few words, despite many of the opinions stated on this and other forums, make no mistake, this bike is competitive.

This is a full RCV213 without a few specs, the lack of pneumatic valves is of no consequence when viewed with next years rules in mind, since the adoption of pneumatics valve spring technology has moved on a great deal, WSS engines can be thanked for this. The 20ltr fuel rule will stop any increase in the rev ceiling and reduce it at fast tracks, the 4ltr advantage will allow the production bike to produce as much horsepower as the factory bikes and for longer.
The Showa suspension supplied will be to the exact spec as Alvaro is using, and teams who purchase the bike will have full access to all data acquired this season, though a move to Ohlins is a drop in the ocean given the cost of the initial package.

The advantage gained by the seamless gearboxes of is very little in real terms when you look at how much time can be lost by a simple mistake in breaking or sliding.

This is a competitive machine even when compared directly to the full factory prototypes, they cost 1.2 million euros for a reason.

Click to expand...

3672371383867748

Really? I said it would be competitive. it is,  you questioned whether it would be any good without pneumatics, I said spring tech has moved on and it would be very quick, they have and it is. I have never claimed anything else, but what I said has been proved to be accurate, Krops said after reading my posts I new what I was talking about, I did, as I said I never claimed anything else. I asked you to give me something to disprove what I had stated, you didn't, as I stated I have nothing else to prove.

Click to expand...

3672451383870558

The pics of the bike on krops site show it has Ohlins suspension, not Showa ?

 
02_RCV1000R-O.jpg

Click to expand...

3672491383871749

Yeah. I guess that if you were buying one, the Showas would go straight in the bin/eBay anyway. No one has experience in them outside Go and Bum. Whole new set of damper settings, etc etc to learn, so they'd just get changed over anyway.

But the real question is, what spec Ohlins are they? Are they going in the bin, too?

Click to expand...

3672211383862433

That's all fair, but Casey would have also got faster on the production bike as time went on, I agree he is not bike fit after a year off, but this is no CRT, this maybe as good as any Yamaha from this year, Jorge is making his bike look far better than it is. As for Nicky, he will now be riding a bike that is a second faster than the POS he is riding at the mo, imo he is far better than Bradl or Bautista so a top three is not so unrealistic.

Click to expand...

3672541383873164

Well if you would share the lap times I could tell you if it would be as good as the lease 2013 spec M1s that forward will be using, I suspect they may have similar times to what Smith has been doing this year. I don't doubt that Nicky is as fast as Bradl or Bautista, but their bikes won't be fuel limited for qually and that's a lot of time for Nicky to make up for even if close on pace and Nicky isn't known for setting the world on fire in his early race laps. If you're right about the fuel being a huge issue for the factory teams I would think a 24L 2013 spec M1 will be doing lots of damage out there. Ducati could end up being a 13th-14th place bike by the time it's all done, next year should be good lol.

Click to expand...

3672551383873370

hawk, an interesting wrinkle to the qualy problem will be the fact the production bikes can use softer rubber like the CRT's have done this year.

Click to expand...

3672541383873164

Well if you would share the lap times I could tell you if it would be as good as the lease 2013 spec M1s that forward will be using, I suspect they may have similar times to what Smith has been doing this year. I don't doubt that Nicky is as fast as Bradl or Bautista, but their bikes won't be fuel limited for qually and that's a lot of time for Nicky to make up for even if close on pace and Nicky isn't known for setting the world on fire in his early race laps. If you're right about the fuel being a huge issue for the factory teams I would think a 24L 2013 spec M1 will be doing lots of damage out there. Ducati could end up being a 13th-14th place bike by the time it's all done, next year should be good lol.

Click to expand...

3672631383880745




Also, chuckling at the number of people who think The Insider works for Honda. Do try to keep up.

Click to expand...

3672651383881960

Who they, then?

He mentioned a company that I once did 4 odd months of work for...

Click to expand...

3672631383880745

Oh, ...., you mean all we have to do is supply you with lap times and you can tell us which bike is faster? Golly, why didn't anyone else think of that? Someone get Shuhei on the phone and tell him we need those lap times right away. This is important!


Also, chuckling at the number of people who think The Insider works for Honda. Do try to keep up.


Finally, Nicky used to be very, very quick for the first two thirds of a race and only slowed as his tires went away. He was good on worn rubber, but hew as awfully tough on it. However, we haven't seen much of that since he went to Ducati, barring a few rare instances in which he seemed to be able to get the best out of the tires. Softer rubber and a bike with something resembling front-end feel should improve that. He has lacked and will forever lack that sort of aggression that moves a rider from sixth to third by the end of the first lap, but give him a competitive package and I think you'll find him quicker earlier.

Click to expand...

3672681383883536

I'm not sure I follow your question. Are you asking who thinks he works for Honda or asking who he works for? Or am I missing the point completely?

Click to expand...

3672631383880745

Oh, ...., you mean all we have to do is supply you with lap times and you can tell us which bike is faster? Golly, why didn't anyone else think of that? Someone get Shuhei on the phone and tell him we need those lap times right away. This is important!


Also, chuckling at the number of people who think The Insider works for Honda. Do try to keep up.


Finally, Nicky used to be very, very quick for the first two thirds of a race and only slowed as his tires went away. He was good on worn rubber, but hew as awfully tough on it. However, we haven't seen much of that since he went to Ducati, barring a few rare instances in which he seemed to be able to get the best out of the tires. Softer rubber and a bike with something resembling front-end feel should improve that. He has lacked and will forever lack that sort of aggression that moves a rider from sixth to third by the end of the first lap, but give him a competitive package and I think you'll find him quicker earlier.

Click to expand...

3672711383885627

Who finks he wirks fir Hinda?

Click to expand...

3672711383885627

Who finks he wirks fir Hinda?

Click to expand...

3672721383885893

We know he doesn't work for honda, he stated who he works for and how much he was involved with the production racer, maybe you should actually read the entire thread before assuming.

Nicky has never been a burner on cold tires, and I see you agree with me on that.

Click to expand...

3641891382193392

WOW, WTF,  I work for KHI and two ex college's/close friends work for HRC, I have been following this project very closely as it is something that KHI and Suzuki were discussing as a joint venture. We did it with motocross, we combined our "works" knowledge and co produced production bikes together. I came here to have what I thought would be intelligent chat, and say a bit about what I know. Now I am ..........., thanks for the warm welcome and I will be off.

Click to expand...

3672751383886966



There you go Austin, the man never said he worked for Honda and I don't think anyone was having problems keeping up until you showed up. If you would have been keeping up you may have figured out that I wasn't actually expecting him to give me the lap times he has been talking about for the entire thread. 

Click to expand...