Gracious in defeat - Rossi

JPSLotus · Dec 9, 2015

povol said:
Why are we comparing MX to GP?

Because that's what bopper logic entails.

Boppers aren't known for their ability to engage in cohesive logic.

bh84 · Dec 9, 2015

povol said:
Why are we comparing MX to GP?

2 forms of motorcycle racing, with arguably similar risk levels, where riders race head to head on the same track. Surely they are different, but the rider's mindset isn't.

Jumkie · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
2 forms of motorcycle racing, with arguably similar risk levels, where riders race head to head on the same track. Surely they are different, but the rider's mindset isn't.

NHRA drag racing features motorcycles. You were drawing comparisons to MX block passing to GP. You also went on to admit, the only thing necessary for you to eliminate a rider from the racing surface was for YOU and your thoughts to determine the target rider was "dangerous". Thats it!

You have stated Marquez was "dangerous" when in fact he raced cleanly. Therefore, according to your logic, Rossi was justified in taking him out. Afterall, you have done this based on your perception. The perception of the other rider is irrelevant! The perception of the other rider is IRRELEVANT! !!

Marquez was not riding dangerously. Who cares, it only matters what Rossi thought! I didn't think Marquez was riding dangerously, but you and Rossi did. Therefore, it was justifiable. So perhaps you should publish your cell number, or at least log on to twitter next time there is a race. We can make a special signal just for you. Whenever you perceive a rider to pass dangerously, perhaps we can give marshals a rainbow flag as a signal that it's now ok for the egregious rider to be taken out. Hey, why not give the marshals a paint gun, when you decide he is dangerous, you tweet it, it will appear on the big screen, #93Dangerious, then they can start shooting him with multiple color paint balls.

michaelm · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
2 forms of motorcycle racing, with arguably similar risk levels, where riders race head to head on the same track. Surely they are different, but the rider's mindset isn't.

Speeds are rather different.

birdman · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
Marquez clearly had a faster pace than Rossi, so Rossi couldn't just outrun him,

As did Stoner at Laguna 08. As did Lorenzo at Montegi. We all know how they worked out. Common denominator in all these incidents of .... riding is Rossi (look out Uccio). If you were on track racing with Rossi by your own definition you would be required to punt him.

JPSLotus · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
2 forms of motorcycle racing, with arguably similar risk levels, where riders race head to head on the same track. Surely they are different, but the rider's mindset isn't.

MX bikes aren't doing 200MPH on the knife's edge.

Nice try blowhard84...

Bern1 · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
Really? You're calling RC, Windham, Jeremy McGrath, James Stewart and Chad Reed, among others full of ....? All have made retaliatory take out moves in the past. As have I.

As for your little threat about taing me out on a 600, its a completely different situation. There's a difference between taking someone out with no provocation and doing it because they're riding like an ........ The fact that you can't get that through your head is hilarious and shows exactly how little you know about racing in general. Its a different sport, but dangerous riding provokes an equal response in all motorsports. The only reason you have a problem with Rossi putting MM on the ground is your blind hatred for him. Don't bother trying to deny it. Everyone can see its the truth.

BH, really? You know for sure what's in the head of a fellow competitor and based on that it's ok to take him out if you think he's "being an ........"

That statement speaks for itself.

By, you are the one talking about hate.

I don't understand these "blind hatred of rossi" statements.

Sounds like open eyed observing to me.

Jumkie · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
Really? You're calling RC, Windham, Jeremy McGrath, James Stewart and Chad Reed, among others full of ....? All have made retaliatory take out moves in the past. As have I.

As for your little threat about taing me out on a 600, its a completely different situation. There's a difference between taking someone out with no provocation and doing it because they're riding like an ........ The fact that you can't get that through your head is hilarious and shows exactly how little you know about racing in general. Its a different sport, but dangerous riding provokes an equal response in all motorsports. The only reason you have a problem with Rossi putting MM on the ground is your blind hatred for him. Don't bother trying to deny it. Everyone can see its the truth.

No, I'm not calling them full of .... (except Chad Reed who tried the same .... as Rossi) I'm calling YOU full of .....

As for my invitation (meaning of words are important) I would love for you to do a track day with me on a road course. So I can help you understand the difference between riding on pavement verses dirt.

Dr No · Dec 9, 2015

Jumkie said:
No, I'm not calling them full of .... (except Chad Reed who tried the same .... as Rossi) I'm calling YOU full of .....

As for my invitation (meaning of words are important) I would love for you to do a track day with me on a road course. So I can help you understand the difference between riding on pavement verses dirt.

Help me here, Jum.
I'm 8000km from my little Honda....where is my track day invitation? Ignore the back brake to back it in?,(don't work on a 2 stroke? )Maybe I can claim Tito expertise? take up Dentistry or Architecture? move next door to Almeria?

Bern1 · Dec 9, 2015

bh84 said:
Who said I'm discounting JL's win? I said its pretty clear at Sepang Marquez was playing some games with Rossi at Sepang, I also said Marquez didn't go for any passes on Loranzo at Valencia. I never mentioned PI because I though it was one of the most exciting and entertaining races all year and that Marquez rode a great race. I believe Rossi's ill advised comments made Marc angry and he responded by trying to screw him out of the title. Whether Rossi thought Lorenzo was a part of it or not I believe Marquez certainly hindered his chances.

I've taken riders out before for riding dangerously in front of me and I'd do it again, I've also been on the receiving end on more than one occasion, not for trying to mess with someone, but trying to keep a faster rider behind me during a race, and I respect them for having the balls to do something about it. Rossi tried the old "do you mind ....... off" wave as a warning before he dropped Marc, if Marc had passed him and rode away like he clearly had the speed to do, there would have been no takeout move.

I'm not a fan of Jorge but I respect his skill and smoothness, yes there was the helmet issue, but thats racing, sometimes you're going to have problems. You can say "if" all you want but I don't see any asterisks beside any other titles, if Rossi had won would they put it in the record books as "2015 Champion - Rossi, but only because Jorge had a helmet issue"? no. So it becomes moot. The champ is the champ, its not always the fastest rider, or the guy who wins the most, its whoever makes his good days great and his bad days just okay. This year JL did make his good days great, and if an issue with his helmet was a bad day for him, thats not so bad. Rossi's bad days left him off the podium and put him on the back row at Valencia. JL deserves the title absolutely.

Shaking hands with your opponents after any sporting event will always be a sportsmanlike and gracious gesture in my eyes, no matter how hard you simple minded haters try to twist it.

I agree with what you say up until the last line. Why didn't vr congratulate Lorenzo?
Not twisting anything, just looking at what happened.

bh84 · Dec 10, 2015

Jumkie said:
NHRA drag racing features motorcycles. You were drawing comparisons to MX block passing to GP. You also went on to admit, the only thing necessary for you to eliminate a rider from the racing surface was for YOU and your thoughts to determine the target rider was "dangerous". Thats it!

You have stated Marquez was "dangerous" when in fact he raced cleanly. Therefore, according to your logic, Rossi was justified in taking him out. Afterall, you have done this based on your perception. The perception of the other rider is irrelevant! The perception of the other rider is IRRELEVANT! !!

Marquez was not riding dangerously. Who cares, it only matters what Rossi thought! I didn't think Marquez was riding dangerously, but you and Rossi did. Therefore, it was justifiable. So perhaps you should publish your cell number, or at least log on to twitter next time there is a race. We can make a special signal just for you. Whenever you perceive a rider to pass dangerously, perhaps we can give marshals a rainbow flag as a signal that it's now ok for the egregious rider to be taken out. Hey, why not give the marshals a paint gun, when you decide he is dangerous, you tweet it, it will appear on the big screen, #93Dangerious, then they can start shooting him with multiple color paint balls.

SO suddenly changing direction to cut another rider's nose isn't dangerous? Running a rider out to the rumble strips at full speed isn't dangerous? Making contact in the corners because you're coming in way too hot isn't dangerous? If you think riding like that is okay you're the scumbag. You know nothing about racing and its clear you've never battled with someone while riding the ragged edge.

Jumkie · Dec 10, 2015

bh84 said:
SO suddenly changing direction to cut another rider's nose isn't dangerous? Running a rider out to the rumble strips at full speed isn't dangerous? Making contact in the corners because you're coming in way too hot isn't dangerous? If you think riding like that is okay you're the scumbag. You know nothing about racing and its clear you've never battled with someone while riding the ragged edge.

Marquez made no contact with Rossi while passing him at Sepang. And Rossi made just as spirited overtaking.

Let me ask you, based on your criteria, was Iannone riding dangerously then at Phillip Island?

#22 · Dec 10, 2015

Or Pedrosa at Aragon, or Rossi at Motegi 2010 for that matter..

JPSLotus · Dec 10, 2015

Hayden at Phillip Island 2010 was another Rossi .... move coming through the right hander at the bottom of Lukey Heights.

levigarrett · Dec 10, 2015

bh84 said:
Canadians will always be kind and courteous, but mess with us and there WILL be hell to pay. Canada has always had a history of kicking ... when push comes to shove. We are dominant in hockey, arguably the roughest sport on earth, when the States invaded us, we burned the white house. In WWI Canadians were known as "storm troops" My great grandfather was one of the men who helped break through at Vimy Ridge, a highly defensible position that the British and French Forces both failed to take, we did it in 3 days.

We've always been hard motherfuckers when we need to be, we're only polite until provoked

Dr No · Dec 10, 2015

I know how this all ends. After a couple of thousand more words, dickwaving and chest-puffery, all the antagonists are going to realise the futility of attempting impose one's perception on another....

...riiiight

WVMotoGP99 · Dec 11, 2015

levigarrett said:

And don't think we have forgotten. Payback will be ruthless...

BarryMachine · Dec 11, 2015

WVMotoGP99 said:
And don't think we have forgotten. Payback will be ruthless...

But I thought that was their payback for britney .... and maddonna.

And lets not forget .... pre disarmamant ....... you yanks used the

Cher bomb. Oh the humanity ....

Jumkie · Dec 11, 2015

BarryMachine said:
But I thought that was their payback for britney .... and maddonna.

And lets not forget .... pre disarmamant ....... you yanks used the

Cher bomb. Oh the humanity ....

Berry, your presence is required at the award show. BassPete is dressed to the tees and all.

povol · Dec 12, 2015

bh84 said:
2 forms of motorcycle racing, with arguably similar risk levels, where riders race head to head on the same track. Surely they are different, but the rider's mindset isn't.

What is acceptable on an MX track is totally unacceptable on a GP track. Punting a rider with a block pass while you are virtually standing still in cushy loam is a bit different than punting a rider at 40 mph on pavement. Get it now? One more time, Marquez never touched Rossi, never ran him to the rumble strips. As far as Marquez slowing down to allow Rossi to get past so he could .... with him is sheer speculation on your part. Is it possible that the Yamaha was stronger at certain parts of the track and vice versa since it was common knowledge from every session that Marquez was struggling on certain corners. You got marching orders from Rossi and like a good soldier, you ran with them.

Gracious in defeat - Rossi

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