Gibernau 'very fast', but will he race?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>motogp is the bigger passion of mine, despite the people you have to mix with to share it.
Snob.


But you're right about 05 Jerez.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Snob.

There was a VERY noticable differnce between the fans i shared donington park with and the fans i shared Silverstone with. Silverstone was far more of a pleasant atmosphere and snob or not you'd know what i meant if you were there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oooh im really hurt.
i said the above comment because twice you have bought up the jerez 05 incident which was one of the closest most exciting races in years, but you always bring it up for negative reasons imo. i have a sneaky feeling if it were any other rider than rossi involved you would look at that in a different light

LOL, not everything is about you and Rossi you know. I thought that move was about as close to out of order as you can get, but i said before i think race direction were right not to act. It is also one of the most exciting races i can remember watching, so your further assumptions are not accurate. I mention the move negatively in the context of the standards often execised by Rossi fans, and by Rossi himself in the particular instance mentioned earlier. But lets not start that loop again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL, not everything is about you and Rossi you know. I thought that move was about as close to out of order as you can get, but i said before i think race direction were right not to act. It is also one of the most exciting races i can remember watching, so your further assumptions are not accurate. I mention the move negatively in the context of the standards often execised by Rossi fans, and by Rossi himself in the particular instance mentioned earlier. But lets not start that loop again.
one thing i can agree with you tonight

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There was a VERY noticable differnce between the fans i shared donington park with and the fans i shared Silverstone with. Silverstone was far more of a pleasant atmosphere and snob or not you'd know what i meant if you were there.
Then you would love Laguna--nothing but nice people. (Oh wait, you've never been there and as I recall, you passed judgement).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think race direction were right not to act.

Of course not. Nothing is ever acceptable for race direction to do anything about according to you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then you would love Laguna--nothing but nice people. (Oh wait, you've never been there and as I recall, you passed judgement).
that going to be my job mate 9 days and counting

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:45 PM)
There was a VERY noticable differnce between the fans i shared donington park with and the fans i shared Silverstone with. Silverstone was far more of a pleasant atmosphere and snob or not you'd know what i meant if you were there.

your turning me off tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(Oh wait, you've never been there and as I recall, you passed judgement).

I think you'l find my judgement of Laguna was that it is an unspectacular track with the exception of 3 corners and that I could see 6 or more grand prix motorcycle races for the price of seeing one at Laguna, making it poor financial value. Neither of these judgements are relevant the the type of person who attends the event.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you'l find my judgement of Laguna was that it is an unspectacular track with the exception of 3 corners and that I could see 6 or more grand prix motorcycle races for the price of seeing one at Laguna, making it poor financial value. Neither of these judgements are relevant the the type of person who attends the event.
Hold on Tom, you made a very generalised statement based upon the 'people you have to mix with' in order to share Moto GP, offering the Donington crowd as an example alongside the more, what you seem to percieve as urbane visitors to F1. at Siverstone. Jumkie pointed to the predominance of nice people at Laguna, which I can testify to, and that fact alone illustrates that your view of a typical Moto GP crowd cannot be confined to your experiences in this country and that perhaps you should broaden your outlook; maybe take in a few foreign races before making such an ignorant and opinionated remark.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 9 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hold on Tom, you made a very generalised statement based upon the 'people you have to mix with' in order to share Moto GP, offering the Donington crowd as an example alongside the more, what you seem to percieve as urbane visitors to F1. at Siverstone. Jumkie pointed to the predominance of nice people at Laguna, which I can testify to, and that fact alone illustrates that your view of a typical Moto GP crowd cannot be confined to your experiences in this country and that perhaps you should broaden your outlook; maybe take in a few foreign races before making such an ignorant and opinionated remark.

Well the Assen crowd made a good impression on me, the spanish crowd were better than the British, but not great. My dad and brother made similar reports from the Italian GP. Jumkie says the crowd at the US gp is a good one and my only reason to doubt him would be if the common attitude is similar to his, but i'm not in a position to judge that crowd until I'm a part of it.

I didn't got to phillip island last year, but one of my mates who did go said there were still far more rossi fans than fans of stoner or anyone else, so I guess the crowd experience would depend on whether you liked rossi fans .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 9 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the Assen crowd made a good impression on me, the spanish crowd were better than the British, but not great. My dad and brother made similar reports from the Italian GP. Jumkie says the crowd at the US gp is a good one and my only reason to doubt him would be if the common attitude is similar to his, but i'm not in a position to judge that crowd until I'm a part of it.
what makes a good or bad crowd in your opinion tom ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>motogp is the bigger passion of mine, despite the people you have to mix with to share it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There was a VERY noticable differnce between the fans i shared donington park with and the fans i shared Silverstone with. Silverstone was far more of a pleasant atmosphere and snob or not you'd know what i meant if you were there.
The crowd at Donington are a wide spectrum of people including, from what I saw, families, young couples, middle aged couples, older couples, teenage girls, bikers, young blokes, foreign fans just about every category of people you can think of. Do you not enjoy mixing with anyone?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 9 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The crowd at Donington are a wide spectrum of people including, from what I saw, families, young couples, middle aged couples, older couples, teenage girls, bikers, young blokes, foreign fans just about every category of people you can think of. Do you not enjoy mixing with anyone?

I was at donny with my wife, with my 2 sons one is 5 and the other 1, crowds were great.
I watched in spain also, crowds were great.
Were all there to watch motobikes so of course they are great.
I think the only reason the crowds stormed the track ant donny is because you never see the riders in the flesh, no more signing sesssions like 4 or 5 years ago.
Assen promoters had the right idea, by sending teams out in soft top cars to wave to the fans, that was a cool idea.
Donny should do that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 9 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the Assen crowd made a good impression on me, the spanish crowd were better than the British, but not great. My dad and brother made similar reports from the Italian GP. Jumkie says the crowd at the US gp is a good one and my only reason to doubt him would be if the common attitude is similar to his, but i'm not in a position to judge that crowd until I'm a part of it.

(Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:45 PM)
There was a VERY noticable differnce between the fans i shared donington park with and the fans i shared Silverstone with. Silverstone was far more of a pleasant atmosphere and snob or not you'd know what i meant if you were there.

QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 11:50 PM)
I think you'l find my judgement of Laguna was that it is an unspectacular track with the exception of 3 corners and that I could see 6 or more grand prix motorcycle races for the price of seeing one at Laguna, making it poor financial value. Neither of these judgements are relevant the the type of person who attends the event.

If you speak to everyone the way you speak to people on this forum I'm not surprised you don't get on with anyone.

Perhaps you ought to stick with the F1 crowd, they must have a good forum you could join!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 9 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what makes a good or bad crowd in your opinion tom ?

Passionate, knowledgable fans of the sport with a friendly and respectful attitude.

I know that everyone at every event is not the same, but the most notable qualities of any any crowd make up the impression they make. The spanish fans for example were notable for beiing VERY passionate, and also knowledgable. The dutch were particularly friendly and respectful.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jul 9 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you speak to everyone the way you speak to people on this forum I'm not surprised you don't get on with anyone.

Perhaps you ought to stick with the F1 crowd, they must have a good forum you could join!

Ahh, now you should be careful not to make assumptions. I said that I didn't particularly appreciate the attitudes I saw at Donington park but that doesn't mean there are no nice people there (as i have mentioned already) nor does it mean that I would be unfriendly towards any of them because thats not in my nature.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 9 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Passionate, knowledgable fans of the sport with a friendly and respectful attitude.

I know that everyone at every event is not the same, but the most notable qualities of any any crowd make up the impression they make. The spanish fans for example were notable for beiing VERY passionate, and also knowledgable. The dutch were particularly friendly and respectful.
how do you know how knowledgeable the fans are ? did you speak to them all ? or did you come to than conclusion just by looking at them ? those question go for donny and silverstone !

sooooooo.......guys.........about Sete.........yeah......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 9 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sooooooo.......guys.........about Sete.........yeah......
not a lot more to say about the gimp until he race's