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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 7 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elias squezed him a bit on the breaks and he was pretty unhappy about it.
i think it was more a case of rossi expressing concern along with other riders about elias, after all several eriders had been taken out by him earning him the niclkname here scud. i seem to remember rossi being very forgiving when scud took him out in 06 which actually cost him the championship.

there was even a funny picture posted on the forum where elias had taken everybody out so to imply it was just rossi complaining about him "sqeezing him on the breaks " is taking it out of context.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think it was more a case of rossi expressing concern along with other riders about elias, after all several eriders had been taken out by him earning him the niclkname here scud. i seem to remember rossi being very forgiving when scud took him out in 06 which actually cost him the championship.

there was even a funny picture posted on the forum where elias had taken everybody out so to imply it was just rossi complaining about him "sqeezing him on the breaks " is taking it out of context.

I think you might find Rossi has taken out almost, if not as many people as Elias in the last few years.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you might find Rossi has taken out almost, if not as many people as Elias in the last few years.
i find that hard to believe. besides which race were to refering to when elias squeezed rossi on the brakes what what exactly was is rossi said about it ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i find that hard to believe. besides which race were to refering to when elias squeezed rossi on the brakes what what exactly was is rossi said about it ?

Well how many people has Toni actually taken out in motogp? I can think of two, while Rossi is on 4.

Turkey 07 was when Elias passed Ropssi, you must remember the fuss that was made??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you might find Rossi has taken out almost, if not as many people as Elias in the last few years.

You better come up with the numbers on that one Tom or we might think you've started with BS again.
To make those numbers more comparable would you please also come up with ratios for Scud and Rossi of total number of passes:crashes where the other rider are taken out.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 8 2008, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You better come up with the numbers on that one Tom or we might think you've started with BS again.
To make those numbers more comparable would you please also come up with ratios for Scud and Rossi of total number of passes:crashes where the other rider are taken out.
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Perhaps some Elias incidents have escaped my memory. Help m,e out with what he's been up to?

There was Nicky at Sepang was it? and Rossi n Jerez, but what else?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps some Elias incidents have escaped my memory. Help m,e out with what he's been up to?

There was Nicky at Sepang was it? and Rossi n Jerez, but what else?
my point was ,it was not just rossi who complained about the safety of scuds riding, you were implying it was just rossi whining about him because he "squeezed him on the brakes" i say that was not the case .you are now trying to turn the debate by asking us to come up with numbers. you get the numbers tom to back up your original claim.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my point was ,it was not just rossi who complained about the safety of scuds riding, you were implying it was just rossi whining about him because he "squeezed him on the brakes" i say that was not the case .you are now trying to turn the debate by asking us to come up with numbers. you get the numbers tom to back up your original claim.
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I got you the numbers, Rossi has taken 4 people out to Elias' 2. You all seem sure Elias is a criminal so I am asking you if I have overlooked any incidents. So far nobody is helping.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps some Elias incidents have escaped my memory. Help m,e out with what he's been up to?

There was Nicky at Sepang was it? and Rossi n Jerez, but what else?
Nicky and Barros at China 07.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 8 2008, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky and Barros at China 07.

I had counted that as one incident. We can call it two if you want it makes little difference.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I got you the numbers, Rossi has taken 4 people out to Elias' 2. You all seem sure Elias is a criminal so I am asking you if I have overlooked any incidents. So far nobody is helping.
Can we count the number of times Elias has taken himself out? lol....if not, I think your numbers are accurate, but Rossi has been racing longer than Tony.....mute point.
 
If Gibs does race and does well then Ducati would almost certainly sign him for one more season. This would leave Nicky, .... out of luck with that ride. The situation is very complicated from both sides. This side .... is almost more interesting than the races have been.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 8 2008, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can we count the number of times Elias has taken himself out? lol....if not, I think your numbers are accurate, but Rossi has been racing longer than Tony.....mute point.
im not sure why we started talking about numbers here. tom said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Rossi has since complained equally if not more about a far less dirty move, riders complain when they lose.
i asked which move. and tom said
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Elias squeezed him a bit on the breaks and he was pretty unhappy about it.
i then said rossi was not the only one to complain about elias and dangerous riding. tom then put his usual spin on it and started asking for numbers of which riders (rossi & elias ) have taken out. bit pointless really as ye didnt even name a season. i mentioned rossi was pretty damn civil in 06 when elias took rossi out costing him the wc.

tom stop answering questions with questions to re direct the thread away from your bs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im not sure why we started talking about numbers here. tom said.

i asked which move. and tom said

i then said rossi was not the only one to complain about elias and dangerous riding. tom then put his usual spin on it and started asking for numbers of which riders (rossi & elias ) have taken out. bit pointless really as ye didnt even name a season. i mentioned rossi was pretty damn civil in 06 when elias took rossi out costing him the wc.

tom stop answering questions with questions to re direct the thread away from your bs.

If you look back to my last few posts you will see that the opinion i am expressing is consistant. When riders lose, or suffer at the expense of anyone else they tend to complain. We see it hundreds of times throughout the season, its pretty much the nature of a racers attitude. You pointed out that Rossi felt Toni was dangerous and i simply offered the fact that Rossi has been as dangerous to his competitors which supports the interpretation of riders complaining about things when they are not benefiting from it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You pointed out that Rossi felt Toni was dangerous and i simply offered the fact that Rossi has been as dangerous to his competitors which

No you havn't. First, what four incidents are we talking about regarding Rossi? You are not taking the Sete/Jerez thing into there I hope?
Second, as I've said before, every time you pass another rider you risk taking them out.
Put the number of successfull passes into your calculation and you will that rossi is not a high risk rider like Elias, not even close. You may not like it in your "absolutism" but unfortunatly for you, things are relative. Not to use that number would be the same as suggesting cars were safer in the 60's than now because the death numbers were marginally smaller, forgetting that the number of cars in the traffic and the numbers of hours we are in them has increasad ten folds.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 8 2008, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No you havn't. First, what four incidents are we talking about regarding Rossi? You are not taking the Sete/Jerez thing into there I hope?
Second, as I've said before, every time you pass another rider you risk taking them out.
Put the number of successfull passes into your calculation and you will that rossi is not a high risk rider like Elias, not even close. You may not like it in your "absolutism" but unfortunatly for you, things are relative. Not to use that number would be the same as suggesting cars were safer in the 60's than now because the death numbers were marginally smaller, forgetting that the number of cars in the traffic and the numbers of hours we are in them has increasad ten folds.

I see, so Rossi is qualified to take out whoever he wants because most of his passes are successful
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you look back to my last few posts you will see that the opinion i am expressing is consistant. When riders lose, or suffer at the expense of anyone else they tend to complain. We see it hundreds of times throughout the season, its pretty much the nature of a racers attitude. You pointed out that Rossi felt Toni was dangerous and i simply offered the fact that Rossi has been as dangerous to his competitors which supports the interpretation of riders complaining about things when they are not benefiting from it.
this is where you spun it. you implied rossi had a good old whine about elias, i said so did many others. nowhere did i compare there accident rate, you did that to divert away from who else complained at the same time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this is where you spun it. you implied rossi had a good old whine about elias, i said so did many others. nowhere did i compare there accident rate, you did that to divert away from who else complained at the same time.

I'm not denying that other riders felt that ELias' move was a bit marginal, but equally some riders would not have been impressed with the Jerez 05 pass. There are two sides to the tough racing debate, and we've talked that one to death in other topics in the past.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see, so Rossi is qualified to take out whoever he wants because most of his passes are successful
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Sorry that was my silly answer. My actually point is that although Rossi's overtake success rate may be far better than Toni's, the number of passes attempted is very significant because as you can see the difference in actual risk to competitors has been negligable since 2005 when Elias started in motogp.
 

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