Formula 1 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jun 21 2009, 03:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would the other manufacturers join F1 now - they haven't been interested in the past and now F1 will have less appeal - people will say they could only win with the big names gone. FOTA may be of interest to them though...

Also, why do you think FOTA won't concentrate on the show?

Imagine Buckingham palace goes up for sale, but the monarchs don't live there anymore and all of their possessions have been removed. Do you think someone might be interested in buying it and turning it into their own royal palace?

F1 is the same. The queen and the royal family are gone but there are quite a few other royals and wealthy people who find F1 to be of value. I've listed 3 who would like to get in to budget restricted F1 racing Honda, Ford, Porsche.

Do FIA/FOM focus on technological aspects of making a good race car? No! They learn just enough to govern and promote F1. FOTA are equally short sided. They wont spend thousands of man hours trying to find ways to improve the TV production quality or improve the closeness of the racing. Why? Because they are FOTA.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 22 2009, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine Buckingham palace goes up for sale, but the monarchs don't live there anymore and all of their possessions have been removed. Do you think someone might be interested in buying it and turning it into their own royal palace?

F1 is the same. The queen and the royal family are gone but there are quite a few other royals and wealthy people who find F1 to be of value. I've listed 3 who would like to get in to budget restricted F1 racing Honda, Ford, Porsche.

Do FIA/FOM focus on technological aspects of making a good race car? No! They learn just enough to govern and promote F1. FOTA are equally short sided. They wont spend thousands of man hours trying to find ways to improve the TV production quality or improve the closeness of the racing. Why? Because they are FOTA.

If there will be another series besides F1, FOTA needs at least a year or two before they can organize: finding the venues, sponsorships and TV networks. Ferrari is already the main supplier for A1 GP and now become a key player in a FOTA championship. If there is a new serial, it will happen in 3 years time. Not 2010 or 2011. F1 will be there minus Ferrari...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Jun 22 2009, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If there will be another series besides F1, FOTA needs at least a year or two before they can organize: finding the venues, sponsorships and TV networks. Ferrari is already the main supplier for A1 GP and now become a key player in a FOTA championship. If there is a new serial, it will happen in 3 years time. Not 2010 or 2011. F1 will be there minus Ferrari...

I agree. FOTA have little or no chance at organizing their own F1-caliber championship in only 9 months. They might go racing, but it won't be to F1's standards.

Furthermore, Max & Bernie are so exasperated by the latest fallout mainly because they know the manufacturers have no chance to form their own break away. The manufacturers only hope is to breakaway and then hope that F1 goes bankrupt paying its obligations and while simultaneously attempting to sue FOTA.

FOTA aren't proposing a new series, they are proposing the death of international open wheeled prototype racing (for a few years) after which time they will reform their own series with their own rules.

People love them for it, but I'm not particularly keen on the idea, no matter how much I dislike Bernie or Max.

Crap

Peace

Well it was nice dreaming for a while, but it seems we will never get rid of the FIA.

We'll keep on having, stupid rules, biased judgements, political ........, bunch of empty stands in asian tilkedroms etc.

At the begging I thought this agreement would happen, but the last couple of weeks I had started to believe the FOTA. But it seems they're just as full of .... as the FIA, they got the money they wanted and .... the viewers, .... overtaking and .... honesty.

^ oh well, it was beautiful while it lasted...but you also have to take into consideration lex's arguments. the FOTA doesn't have the resources and the manpower right now, and as other teams had said, if FIA could come up with their demands, it would be foolish to still press on with the breakaway.

let's move on to 2010 shall we? (and just forget this season )

The "definitive" entry list for 2010, all the current teams plus the 3 new ones.

TEAM------------------------------------------------------- CONSTRUCTOR
SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO------------------------ FERRARI
VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES----------------------- McLAREN MERCEDES
BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM---------------------------------- BMW SAUBER
RENAULT F1 TEAM -------------------------------------- RENAULT
PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING ------------------------- TOYOTA
SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO ------------------------------- STR TBA
RED BULL RACING -------------------------------------- RBR TBA
AT&T WILLIAMS ----------------------------------------- WILLIAMS TOYOTA
FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM --------------------------------- FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM ---------------------- BRAWN TBA
CAMPOS META TEAM ----------------------------------- CAMPOS COSWORTH
MANOR GRAND PRIX ----------------------------------- MANOR COSWORTH
TEAM US F1 --------------------------------------------- TEAM US F1 COSWORTH

It's curious, all the new teams are going for Cosworth. When Cosworth doesn't even have an engine that meets the 2009 regs. AFAIK their V8 last used in 2006 is not gonna make it 3 races it was built for just 1 and it was a piece of ..... So they'll have to modify it, and aren't engines supposed to be "frozen"??.
I guess maybe that's the key, if they're allowed to modify the engine they'll be able to make a better engine than their rivals who have been frozen for 2 seasons now.

Or maybe it's just very cheap.

IS THE FEUD BACK ON?!

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IIRC he did exactly the same the last time. Unfortunately IMO it's too late to save Formula FOTA. Probably he's just throwing the toys out of the pram (that would be whips ) cause he's pissed he's been kicked out of power.

So, politics and uncertain futures aside. Who is rating Vettel's chances of chasing down Button? This season could have plenty of life left in it yet. I'm pretty excited about the concept of seeing Button squezed a bit for what has appeares to be his title to lose.

Now the season is in teh thick of it, it occured to me that we shouldn't be surprised to see Brawn and Red Bull teams fighting for the top spot. Over the rule changes there seemed to be a lot of uncertaintly as if the fight would be wide open, but it's come down to Brawn vs Newey like almost every other season for 15 years. Should we be surprised?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 1 2009, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, politics and uncertain futures aside. Who is rating Vettel's chances of chasing down Button? This season could have plenty of life left in it yet. I'm pretty excited about the concept of seeing Button squezed a bit for what has appeares to be his title to lose.

Now the season is in teh thick of it, it occured to me that we shouldn't be surprised to see Brawn and Red Bull teams fighting for the top spot. Over the rule changes there seemed to be a lot of uncertaintly as if the fight would be wide open, but it's come down to Brawn vs Newey like almost every other season for 15 years. Should we be surprised?

Button has more chances to win the championship this year. He is 64 points while Vettle is 39, behind. If Button win and Vettle only manage to get top 4 this coming race in Nurburgring, German, I think Button is 2009 F1 Champion. There are only 8 rounds left after Nurburgring.

IMO Button has this one wrapped up. Vettel has been very dissapointing, the amount of mistakes he's made in only half a season doesn't make him look like a serious contender to me.

On the other hand Button's performance has been faultless (except a poor quali at Silverstone) and still has a better car IMO so my money is on Button.

Actually my money was on Alonso at the start of the season lol, ....... Flav made me thing the R29 was good! Now Bwin.com has my 10€ lol

I don't even care about F1 that much anymore. No Honda, drivers with zero personality, stupid rules and regulations, crazy old demented men running the circus show causing all sorts of drama... man how F1 have gone down the gutter.

I will watch it more if Takuma Sato gets a ride for next year though. Him and Bruno Senna.

Brilliant win for Webber today, especially after the stupid drive through penalty they gave him.

And what the hell was Rubens thinking when he gave that interview after the race?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8146717.stm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76931

brawn said rubens was just frustrated hence the comments against his team...well, rubens had the right to be frustrated, he had a great chance the majority of the race. though, that's not saying he should vent out his anger on his team.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76937

i didn't think there is something about, just a racing incident. but since these two have a certain attraction of colliding to each other, i guess the stewards had to see a closer look just to be sure

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stevo @ Jul 12 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brilliant win for Webber today, especially after the stupid drive through penalty they gave him.

And what the hell was Rubens thinking when he gave that interview after the race?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8146717.stm

Yea Webber was brilliant. I've never been a fan nor convinced he is a real threat but today he made it happen. I think the penalty he got was about right, people can't be allowed to charge each other into the pit wall on the straights. But in the end it didn't matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 13 2009, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76931

brawn said rubens was just frustrated hence the comments against his team...well, rubens had the right to be frustrated, he had a great chance the majority of the race. though, that's not saying he should vent out his anger on his team.

Rubens is right to be frustrated, but mainly because he isn't driving well enough. When the car was the best out there he didn't maximize it, and now its not he is further from winning still. I think he probably knows he wont be driving next year so will speak his mind, but i think it looks pretty bad on his part. The frustration was probably more about finising behind Button than it was about losing the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 13 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The frustration was probably more about finising behind Button than it was about losing the race.

probably

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stevo @ Jul 12 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brilliant win for Webber today, especially after the stupid drive through penalty they gave him.

And what the hell was Rubens thinking when he gave that interview after the race?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8146717.stm

Reubens has always talk bad and blame others for his lack of competitiveness. I remember after he left Ferrari, I mean after he got kicked out of Ferrari he was pointing the finger at Michael Schumacher and the team, talking very badly about them. He also said he was coming out with a 'tell all' book about his tenure at Ferrari.

This guy is a joke. I remember how he won a charity event race.... and in the interview he was bragging to make himself look good saying how today is an example of how good he is, and that Honda should realize this and renew his contract.... this was during silly season. I mean, this was only a charity kart event !!!

I too think that rubens is not the best driver....i get a feeling that not the best drivers are in front in F1 now and THAT bores me...i dont watch every race like i used to!

the radical change in the rules for building the cars mixed the field so that (ok, my opinion) brilliant drivers like hamilton dont have a real chance to win the title => simply boring.

I hope vettel can threaten button, not only because hes german like i am, but hes a great driver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Jul 14 2009, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i get a feeling that not the best drivers are in front in F1 now and THAT bores me...i dont watch every race like i used to!

well, i haven't been following the season faithfully, but i will argue with you on this one simply because, in my opinion, people like jenson, vettel, and possibly webber are really as good as kimi, alonso, and hammie, just that, they weren't given the car that would bring them in front of the field unlike now. i think the reason why we are feeling lukewarm in F1 right now is because the best drivers that we know are not at the front atm. but that doesn't necessarily imply that the leaders now are not in the league as our fave drivers. may be they just weren't given the chance, and now that they were, we are seeing their potential. the shame of it all really is that, when they finally have a race-winning car, the supposedly "men to beat" are down in the rankings because of crappy car. it would have been terrific if instead of turning things around, they'd just join them up the field so wecan be treated to a five-way or six-way battle every race. now that would be wicked! oh well, that's life, sometimes you're up, sometimes you're down.