Formula 1 2009

Well I think the conditional penalty was too lenient, I expected a economical fine at least. Making all this fuss about the hearing and how offended FIA felt about he lying and then nothing seems a waste of time. Anyway at least we're done with scandals for now.

Though with the announcement of the 2010 rules I see new scandals coming soon lol.

1. Budget cap 40 million quid. (EXCLUDED Driver's salary, engines, fines, marketing and hosting and anything that they can prove doesn't give a performance benefit)

The teams that will adhere to the cap in 2010 will be allowed more technical freedom:
-movable wings
-no rev limit on the engine
-unrestricted testing

2. Refueling ban

3. Tyre warmers banned

.....................

IMO this is going to be a mess, the amount of potential loopholes seems inmense to me and I've just thought about this 5 min.

How on Earth is FIA going to control how much teams spend??? this is not NBA where there's just 12 guys salaries to control.

And AFAIK engines are frozen so why are they outside the cap?? also they are designed to last 3GPs at 18K rpm,if customer teams try to go over the limit they will just blow them.

Testing was forbidden to save money and now there's unrestricted testing for some teams???

Refuelling ban -> Cars carrying 200kg of fuel on cold tyres??? That will be cars completely different from what we have now, and work on 2010 cars already starte ... more money down the drain.

.... ferrari

Seems Ferrari improved a lot, Kimi must be really pissed he missed on Q2. But come on don't worry this year's championship it's already out of reach for him anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ May 9 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... ferrari

Gutted!

I said i`d watch F1 this year but everytime I see an F1 car ,I think of a window scraper,must be the shape.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ May 10 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seems Ferrari improved a lot, Kimi must be really pissed he missed on Q2. But come on don't worry this year's championship it's already out of reach for him anyway.

i'm beyond speechless...this is the second time now...ah ....

4th win for Button I'd expect some cheering here from the Brit fans.

Cause I understand Philipine's biggest Kimi fan is not in a mood to post anything (Look at the bright side Jane, at least the new Ferrari F60B is quick!)

I'm not too dissapointed after all FA got some points out a starting position that looked like 0 and Hamilton didn't hehe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ May 10 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and Hamilton didn't hehe.

We had a post race interview with Lewis on the BBC and it seems he's falling appart. I don't think he's coping well with the hard times at all. I'm continuing to love watching the brawn cars setting the pace, especially with Jensen driving so well after all his promise being followed with years of mediocrity. Rubens must wonder what he has to do, it never seems to work out for him. As time goes on the drivers title seems more and more like it'll be between Vettel and Button, and i'm getting increasingly optimistic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ May 11 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4th win for Button I'd expect some cheering here from the Brit fans.

Cause I understand Philipine's biggest Kimi fan is not in a mood to post anything (Look at the bright side Jane, at least the new Ferrari F60B is quick!)

I'm not too dissapointed after all FA got some points out a starting position that looked like 0 and Hamilton didn't hehe.


I hope Jesson will bag formula One championship this year after many-many years of miserable life in F1 paddock. 2009 is his year and no one can take that from him.. Vettle is still young and can look forward for a ferrari ride in 2011 to replace Kimmi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ May 11 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4th win for Button I'd expect some cheering here from the Brit fans.

Cause I understand Philipine's biggest Kimi fan is not in a mood to post anything (Look at the bright side Jane, at least the new Ferrari F60B is quick!)

I'm not too dissapointed after all FA got some points out a starting position that looked like 0 and Hamilton didn't hehe.



i said i'm speechless...how do you expect me to say anything?! ohhh yeah, they're quick. kimi's car back in the mclaren was quick too...BUT BUT BUT for heaven's sake! can they give him a reliable car?!



i can only laugh now. there was nothing kimi could do. there was nothing i can do. so let's just move on.

Hahaha, i was rofl when button lapped hammie

blah blah blah lookout for the low flying dummy and teddy.ffs

fook off then just because you built a .... 2009 car and need millions and millions to put next years car right sour grapes from ferrari imo



MILAN, May 12 (Reuters) - Ferrari will quit Formula One at the end of this season if current plans for a budget cap for 2010 are not abandoned, the champions said on Tuesday.

Toyota and Red Bull, who also own Ferrari-powered Toro Rosso, have already threatened not to enter next year's championship unless the new rules published by the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) are changed.

"If the regulations adopted for 2010 will not change, then Ferrari does not intend to enter its cars in the next Formula One World Championship," a statement said.

The FIA, headed by Max Mosley, want to introduce an optional 40 million pound ($60.7 million) budget cap next year to encourage new teams to enter.

The plan would allow capped teams to operate with far greater technical freedom than those continuing with unlimited budgets.

Ferrari's president Luca di Montezemolo, head of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), has warned it would create a two-tier championship that could be "fundamentally unfair and perhaps even biased".

The Ferrari board backed his stance at a meeting at Maranello.

"For the first time ever in Formula One, the 2010 season will see the introduction of two different sets of regulations based on arbitrary technical rules and economic parameters," the statement added.

"The Board considers that if this is the regulatory framework for Formula One in the future, then the reasons underlying Ferrari's uninterrupted participation in the World Championship over the last 60 years...would come to a close."

^ if you were to update yourself with current F1 news, it says that ferrari are in favour of the reducing costs, budget caps, etc. what they were against was the stuffs included in that budget cap that has the possibility of making next year's championship a two-tier one. Plus, ferrari is not the only one to complain. check the news you just posted.

as i've said, update yourself. ffs

correct others are not happy too.things are changeing in F1 a lot in the last year or two and in the future
i just think that they said this and its all over tv news channels is a bit OTT.
yes they are prob the biggest F1 team.but if they do pull out without i would have tryed the new way/rules first before pulling out.
saying that F1 has been in a mess for a while and the powers that be are killing this sport too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ May 13 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>correct others are not happy too.things are changeing in F1 a lot in the last year or two and in the future
i just think that they said this and its all over tv news channels is a bit OTT.
yes they are prob the biggest F1 team.but if they do pull out without i would have tryed the new way/rules first before pulling out.
saying that F1 has been in a mess for a while and the powers that be are killing this sport too.

every team put in a .... load of money in this sport. sure there are rules that you wanna try out first, KERS for example. some teams tried it, other didn't. some liked it, others didn't. but there are also rules that you wouldn't wanna risk trying out. and as i've said, it isn't the rules that they are against to. it's the consequence of implementing that rule - a two-tier championship. if they'd change the advantages that teams willing to put in a budget cap would enjoy, so much so that it would prevent having a two-tier championship, then i guess ferrari and the other teams would be more amiable.

I don't think Ferrari will pull out from F1. But I do believe Toyota, BMW and Renault will leave F1 sooner. Unlike Ferrari which always associated with Formula One, Toyota, BMW and Renault were never being F1 major constructors per se. They can always produce and sell f1 engines and come and go any time as they wish. With lower cost "the real F1 constructors" such as Jordan, Lotus, Tyrrel, Cooper, Brabham, BAR, Arrows, etc can come back

Four new teams confirm F1 plans

By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, May 20th 2009, 10:25 GMT (Autosport.com)


Former grand prix boss Nick Wirth, sportscar team Epsilon Euskadi, leading race car engineering company Ray Mallock Limited and GP2 outfit Campos Racing have joined the list of outfits confirming plans to compete in Formula 1 next year, AUTOSPORT has learned.

Although only a handful of outfits have gone public with their intention to make the step into F1 in 2010, a more expanded list of candidates emerged from the French courts on Tuesday during the hearing to discuss Ferrari's bid to get an injunction on next year's rules.

As part of the defence from the FIA that such an injunction would wreck the plans of new teams to make the jump to F1, AUTOSPORT understands that a number of letters were presented from new teams saying that any delay to them getting the go-ahead for 2010 plans would force them to abandon their efforts.

According to sources, the list of teams that were looking at moving to F1 were Lola, USF1, Wirth Research, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos Racing and iSport.

Another two outfits have also expressed an interest in moving up to F1. British F3 team Litespeed issued a statement declaring its intention to apply for an entry, while Prodrive has also admitted to be considering the move.

However, in recent days Prodrive boss David Richards has suggested that uncertainty over the 2010 regulations was forcing him to consider a rethink about his plans.

"The new regulations announced by the FIA are very much in line with what we were expecting and, I believe, have the potential to allow a team to be commercially viable and competitive on a far more realistic budget," he told GPWeek.

"However, we are very concerned about the controversy these proposals have created with the existing teams and the uncertainty that this has created."

Bernie Ecclestone has also talked about a second team from the United States expressing an interest.

FIA president Max Mosley made it clear last week that the governing body was unwilling to compromise on its plans for a £40 million voluntary budget cap because it was vital that new teams came into F1.

"If we wait any longer, we won't have any new teams because it is too late for them to come," he said. "I think there was an element among the FOTA teams hoping to delay until the point where there could be no new teams.

"I think we now have 11 organisations that say they want to come in, of whom seven are serious. So it will be interesting to see what happens."

Should Ferrari's injunction application be successful, then it will mean that all the 2010 regulations introduced by the FIA last month will be on hold - including the fact that the entry list for the 2010 championship closes on May 29.

With the matter likely to go to appeal whichever side wins, the delay in the entry list closure will buy manufacturer teams more time to propose alternative regulations to the FIA - even though it could force new entrants to abandon efforts.

A decision from the French courts is expected at 2pm local time on Wednesday.

Well the teams confirmed so far are:

Williams & Force India, ex-Fota
Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso, allegedly
New Teams Manor, Campos and the US team.

As for the remaining five (eight?) teams, I have a feeling that not all of them could be on the F1 field next year. Never has the threat of a breakaway series looked more likely, and I for one will find it a tremendous shame if it does happen.

I am actually somehow wishing that they break away, would be very very interesting what will happen after.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 5 2009, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>motogp may actually struggle to be this exciting in 09.
i can't believe it... i just decided to check this thread out since it's been awhile & this is what poped into my view... F1 will never be as exciting as motogp... or any bike racing for that matter. i do record & watch F1 + gp2 championship as well. the only thing that F1 will ever beat motogp in is all the political ........... it's truly EPIC!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jun 15 2009, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> i can't believe it... i just decided to check this thread out since it's been awhile & this is what poped into my view... F1 will never be as exciting as motogp... or any bike racing for that matter. i do record & watch F1 + gp2 championship as well. the only thing that F! will ever beat motogp in is all the political ........... it's truly EPIC!!!!



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