Formula 1 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 15 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i thought the stewards are different for each race and that they act independently of the bigwigs. because surely, if those contacting the teams (referred to as the FIA), and the stewards are one and the same, another news article would have surfaced after the race. along the lines of "inconsistent" "misunderstanding among" etc.

but hey, i do watch the racing but i'm not immersed with the technical-political aspect so what do i know?
Anyway, if DC was in a Ferrari they wouldn't see which way he went! Shame to be losing the greatest!

im actualy surprised there wasnt an inquiry into Webbers move on Lewis (where Lewis pushed him off), wouldn't have surprised me one bit...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Val_46 @ Sep 15 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im actualy surprised there wasnt an inquiry into Webbers move on Lewis (where Lewis pushed him off), wouldn't have surprised me one bit...
After Spa, we could have expected anything! But I don't think they would punish Lewis twice in one week time! I personally like it that Lewis has an aggressive driving style. At least it's not boring. We don't often see a lot of overtaking manouvres, but Lewis tries most of the time, and I appreciate that, since I'm a F1 fan, and I love the excitement..BUT I do think that Lewis is sometimes crossing the limit, same goes for last weekend, the move on Webber. Lewis really gave Mark NO space whatsoever, so Webber almost went on the grass, and that resulted in him touching Lewis. I think that move was a bit too aggressive. People also said his moves on Alonso and Glock were a bit over the top as well, but I have to look at those 2 incidents again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Sep 15 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After Spa, we could have expected anything! But I don't think they would punish Lewis twice in one week time! I personally like it that Lewis has an aggressive driving style. At least it's not boring. We don't often see a lot of overtaking manouvres, but Lewis tries most of the time, and I appreciate that, since I'm a F1 fan, and I love the excitement..BUT I do think that Lewis is sometimes crossing the limit, same goes for last weekend, the move on Webber. Lewis really gave Mark NO space whatsoever, so Webber almost went on the grass, and that resulted in him touching Lewis. I think that move was a bit too aggressive. People also said his moves on Alonso and Glock were a bit over the top as well, but I have to look at those 2 incidents again.

Lewis is a pretender.... even if he does become a champion, he don't mean much to me. I just don't look at him the same way as the past champions somehow. He seems artificial.... like he is afraid to be himself so he try to put on this 'good guy' image. But in reality he is an arrogant prick, the truth came out when he called Kimi Raikonen out and said Kimi had no balls. The guy is not what he portrays, so beware.

Obviously Hamilton has a plastic public persona, but do I care when I'm watching him drive? NO!

All I can add is well done to Vettel! He will take DC's seat at Red Bull next year then who knows? a champion in the making. Lewis provided some thrills and spills throughout the race, and did a pretty good damage limitation exercise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 16 2008, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lewis is a pretender.... even if he does become a champion, he don't mean much to me. I just don't look at him the same way as the past champions somehow. He seems artificial.... like he is afraid to be himself so he try to put on this 'good guy' image. But in reality he is an arrogant prick, the truth came out when he called Kimi Raikonen out and said Kimi had no balls. The guy is not what he portrays, so beware.

Last year i was quite frustrated by Lewis' "good guy" image, it clearly wasn't him and it was too fake for my liking. Ultimately its understandable that as a rookie he tried to be perfect in the public eye, but now he seems to have dropped that and started speaking up. He's brimming with confidence/arrogance, driving accordingly and i think its brilliant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 17 2008, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Last year i was quite frustrated by Lewis' "good guy" image, it clearly wasn't him and it was too fake for my liking. Ultimately its understandable that as a rookie he tried to be perfect in the public eye, but now he seems to have dropped that and started speaking up. He's brimming with confidence/arrogance, driving accordingly and i think its brilliant.

Nothing wrong with being a bit arrogant, all champions are. But calling someone out and saying they have no balls is a bit childish, in a way by him saying that he now shows his vulnerable side. Only people who lash out in that way feels they are being threatened. Hamilton breaks easily, he just puts up a front like he is strong... but I highly doubt that. He is fast, but mentally I don't believe it's up there with his driving.

As for Kimi....the guy is a prick, i can't stand him. From pushing a photographer to the ground to knocking over a kid without even flinching, someone should knock him over and see how he likes it.

Here he is knocking a little kid over.
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Here he is knocking a photographer over.
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And here he is knocking himself over.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 18 2008, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nothing wrong with being a bit arrogant, all champions are. But calling someone out and saying they have no balls is a bit childish, in a way by him saying that he now shows his vulnerable side. Only people who lash out in that way feels they are being threatened. Hamilton breaks easily, he just puts up a front like he is strong... but I highly doubt that. He is fast, but mentally I don't believe it's up there with his driving.

You could put all the wars of words between racers down to insecurity, you could even sight it as the reason they are so ocmpetative in the first place. I don't agree that Kimi has no balls, it seems clear the Mclaren is a much more inviting car to drive in the wet, and it is one of Lewis' strong points also. This season Hamilton is easily winning the phychological battle over both the Ferrari drivers, and Lewis has been tougher recently after a slump in the spring of the championship.

BTW that video with the kid is hilarious

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 18 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BTW that video with the kid is hilarious
Tom, it isn't hilarious.
I've seen him do this with my own eyes, so it is not a one off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Sep 18 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom, it isn't hilarious.
I've seen him do this with my own eyes, so it is not a one off.

I find that hard to believe

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Sep 18 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I find that hard to believe
Not one kid, several, as he barged through them in the foyer of the hotel, Malaysia 2004. If it wasn't for his 'heavies', he'd have been lynched by parents.

Why do you find it hard to believe?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 15 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nope they didn't. they said to the mclaren team that it was okay because hammie had already given back the position to kimi. they advised ferrari to have massa hand back the position most probably because he hadn't made it yet.
Surely you have to hand it back nearly straight away ie after youre back on the track after cutting the chicane or corner w/e??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Sep 18 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not one kid, several, as he barged through them in the foyer of the hotel, Malaysia 2004. If it wasn't for his 'heavies', he'd have been lynched by parents.

Why do you find it hard to believe?

You should of put a foot up his ass.

I don't think Kimi's at fault in all of those videos. The first one, if you look carefully (or just look normally!) that woman knocked over the kid, NOT Raikkonen, but I do think he maybe could have stopped and asked if the kid was ok. The 2nd one, well yeah, KR shouldn't have done that, I can understand it's very annoying at times if photographers get so close (almost in his face), but surely it's not excuse. The 3rd one, LOL!!! I've seen that one a lot of times before, I still find it amusing to watch it. Anyway, as much fun as it is to talk about Raikkonen knocking over people, I prefer talking about him as a racing driver.

Raikkonen finally admitted he needs a miracle now to still win the title, I think he will now play a supportive role to Massa, BUT if he can win a race and Massa is still in front of Lewis, he will absolutely go for the win, as it should be.

I personally can't wait for Singapore! It looks like a nice track

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Sep 19 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BUT if he can win a race and Massa is still in front of Lewis, he will absolutely go for the win, as it should be.

I'm not sure. If Kimi's running first and Massa 2nd, i bet they'd find a way to changle places. His only hope is that he can clearly lead a race while Massa loses to Lewis, which is fine by me.

Also, if i was an F1 driver and stupid parents released swarms of children in my direction, i doubt i's stop to play either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure. If Kimi's running first and Massa 2nd, i bet they'd find a way to changle places. His only hope is that he can clearly lead a race while Massa loses to Lewis, which is fine by me.
Well I also think if Massa is like 2sec behind Kimi, they might ''let'' Massa win by letting him pass Kimi after the pitstops, like Brazil next year. I would totally understand it, so I hope Raikkonen can win at least one race ''dominantly'' this season, because 2 is just sad!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also, if i was an F1 driver and stupid parents released swarms of children in my direction, i doubt i's stop to play either.
Yeah, same for me I guess.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Sep 19 2008, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>like Brazil next year. I would totally understand it, so I hope Raikkonen can win at least one race ''dominantly'' this season, because 2 is just sad!

Are you telling the future or remembering LAST year? that was the example i was thinking of too. It'd be nice to see Kimi win something before the seasons out, just to get him on the right footing for next years challenge but there's nothing wrong with 2 wins, championships have been won with less

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you telling the future or remembering LAST year? that was the example i was thinking of too. It'd be nice to see Kimi win something before the seasons out, just to get him on the right footing for next years challenge but there's nothing wrong with 2 wins, championships have been won with less
LOL!
Obviously I was remembering LAST year. I didn't even notice it, I'm tired (and it's your fault!), so I can't be blamed!

Well true, there's nothing wrong with 2 wins, IF you win the title, but Kimi's not gonna win it this time around, so a win is the next best thing, so he better win a race (or 4 would be nice too ).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Sep 19 2008, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well true, there's nothing wrong with 2 wins, IF you win the title, but Kimi's not gonna win it this time around, so a win is the next best thing, so he better win a race (or 4 would be nice too ).

Yea, all i'm saying that the problem with most championship challenges isn't how many races they do win, but how well they do when they dont win. When was the last time Kimi scored any points?