Forget Bayliss vs. Rossi, who wants to see Spies vs. Rossi?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 16 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies has had how much time on a GP bike vs. Valentino? Yeah I know that Vale is the greatest but I really think if you give Ben a real fighting chance from the start of a season he would win one or two races IF on similar meaning competative machinary.

Not to mention that he had an appendectomy later that night and I think that there was something wrong with his bike?? 8th is very compendable for a wildcard. Bring Rossi to the States and let him have a go with the Jordan Suzi vs Ben's Yoshi Suzi at Miller or something. You might see something.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 16 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention that he had an appendectomy later that night and I think that there was something wrong with his bike?? 8th is very compendable for a wildcard. Bring Rossi to the States and let him have a go with the Jordan Suzi vs Ben's Yoshi Suzi at Miller or something. You might see something.
i think spies is the real deal and the next American motogp champ hope but not in the same league as rossi at the moment .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 17 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention that he had an appendectomy later that night and I think that there was something wrong with his bike?? 8th is very compendable for a wildcard. Bring Rossi to the States and let him have a go with the Jordan Suzi vs Ben's Yoshi Suzi at Miller or something. You might see something.
Yeah, you'd see something... A riding primer for the AMA boys. Do you seriously think there is a two wheeled, road racing machine, out there that Rossi wouldn't DOMINATE on?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 16 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you'd see something... A riding primer for the AMA boys. Do you seriously think there is a two wheeled, road racing machine, out there that Rossi wouldn't DOMINATE on?
Well, you could pretty likely create something small/light enough and so down on power that he'd be at enough of a disadvantage power/weight wise vs. smaller world-class riders that he'd have a tough time. Also, Rossi didn't dominate in 2006 or particularly 2007 when he didn't win the championship. Rossi's extremely good, maybe even the best ever, but he's not an infallible God.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Mar 16 2009, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also, Rossi's an infallible God who's sometimes had been on poor machinery/tires

I have to say one thing for Rossi: he is no doubt fully confident he can race against anybody on two wheels, but he is much more realistic than his captive fans and surely would never underestimate a rider who has won races and titles, like Spies. Who is doing exceedingly well by the way...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 16 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think spies is the real deal and the next American motogp champ hope but not in the same league as rossi at the moment .

Personally, I'm not comfortable comparing Spies to Rossi...yet (if ever, of course time will tell). But I guess its hard not to dream since the reality of his recent success has be total domination. Its safe to say that had he not got punted in race one round one, that he would have podiumed if not outright won. So here you have a guy who has notched the top spont in just about everything to start the season, practice, superpoles, races wins, that I guess the premature comparisons start. I admit, yesterday I was talking about the WSBK races with a few friends and 90% of our converstation was all about Spies. At the end we joked at eachother and said we ran the risk of being gay since we were on his jock so much. But think about this for a moment, the guy is a rookie, new everything (understatement), and in a competative series, and here he's kicked ass in every aspect (baring the punt, honestly we could be talking about his perfect season in just four races into the series); so then you can see how the imagination runs WILD.

I think its waaaaay to soon to be talking about an epic match of the porportion of Bayliss vs Rossi. But if he continues this way, then we can certainly start talking about it in the future. Sadly though, by the time he does get to MotoGP (again if) then perhaps Rossi will be past his prime and we will never know, which is always the case in these hypothetical matchups--even when they become reality.

I wonder how James Toseland sleeps at night.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 16 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding me? The hp of the 4's are more than the twins. I get so sick of hearing this ......... Fine put the twins back to 1000cc ans the 4's back to 750. I mean if you read any of the technical things about these bikes called superbikes they are on a level playing field. If the twin is such a huge advantage then why don't they all come in 1,2,3,4 etc? So come on and get over it. I just laugh at the ignorance.


Anyone who has a motorcycle will tell you it's not just about the power, it's how it's made, it's how it uses tyres.

I laugh even more at your ignorance.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 16 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arse hole or not Foggy is still top in superbikes

Also, maybe some people haven't seen qatar yet so be careful discussing those races here

Foggy had a cracking record, but when he went to Honda, he got handed his arse, and went back to Ducati with his tail between his legs. And then Lil John won the title on the Honda. Would Foggy have had the same record without the Duke?


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 16 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I laugh even more at your ignorance.
You're not alone. If it was just motorcycle opinions he got wrong, I would not sweat it so much, but the man votes...and that my friend is NO laughing matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 16 2009, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're not alone. If it was just motorcycle opinions he got wrong, I would not sweat it so much, but the man votes...and that my friend is NO laughing matter.


I cannot agree more buddy!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 16 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Foggy had a cracking record, but when he went to Honda, he got handed his arse, and went back to Ducati with his tail between his legs. And then Lil John won the title on the Honda. Would Foggy have had the same record without the Duke?


Pete

I don't think he would have, I consider Foggies season on the Honda to be a poor performance rahter than a case of 'the bike wasn't good enough'. Having said that i don't think that winning his titles on the best bike discredit his achievements at all. Most riders win in the same way, just a bit less. Furthermore those were the days when there was a LOT of ducatis in the field and basically all the top riders that werent the castrol Honda pair were riding a Duc like Carl.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 16 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whether Bayliss is >= Spies will be known shortly in Valencia. If Ben can pull out a double against Haga, MN, MB, etc. AND beat the fast lap, he has to be greater. He's never ridden the circuit.


Sorry, but I have to disagree totally with the highlighted comment above.

Lets assume that Spies does indeed do the double at Valencia (for the sake of the argument) which in honesty is far from an impossibility.

Just because he gets a double at a track not seen that does not make him greater than a guy who won a large number of races and three world titles nor does it even get him close as he (Spies) is yet to achieve anything like Bayliss has done in the sport (WSBK level). When, and only when Spies WSBK career is finished (which I expect ro be at the end of 2009 and certainly no later than 2010) can we compare the two and even then I suspect that Bayliss' record will be greater (again, as Spies will not be in WSBJ long enough).

As for the time side, one woudl hope that a 2009 bike is quicker around a circuit than a 2008 bike which should have been quicker than a 2007 bike and so on as that is why they develop and update each (not syaing anything you wouldn't have thought of there).

No, to me Spies is not a great of WSBK as yet and I dare suspect that whilst his achievements thus far are outstanding and I expect them to continue, I just do not think he will be in WSBK long enough to become a 'great' by winning multiple championships.







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 16 2009, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You obviously missed Qatar race one when Ben and Haga traded spots a few times. What exactly do you want?

You obviously missed the 2008 season. This is how Haga fought on the Yamaha. On the Ducati, he's relatively tame.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 16 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whether Bayliss is >= Spies will be known shortly in Valencia. If Ben can pull out a double against Haga, MN, MB, etc. AND beat the fast lap, he has to be greater. He's never ridden the circuit.

Making a big initial impact does not make you greater than a seasoned multi champion. I think in the greater scheme of things how quickly you achieve something is insignificant compared to how many times you can achieve it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 16 2009, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its waaaaay to soon to be talking about an epic match of the porportion of Bayliss vs Rossi.

Agreed, we may find that one day Spies can square up to Rossi and give him a fight, we might not. But it will be a LONG time before spies has the status/reputation to provide a matchup on the scale of the Bayliss-Rossi idea.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heng47 @ Mar 17 2009, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You obviously missed the 2008 season. This is how Haga fought on the Yamaha. On the Ducati, he's relatively tame.

Entertaining as it may be fighting hard has not got the job done for Nori, and if being clam, tame and measured this season earns him the title then it will be by far his most impressive performance in my eyes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Mar 17 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just do not think he will be in WSBK long enough to become a 'great' by winning multiple championships.
When a 3 time winner says you're great, you're great. When you win 3 of 4 races on tracks you've never raced, vs the championship runner up, you're great. You win a championship in your rookie year, you're great Just cause you move on to 'greater' greatness, doesn't diminish your greatness!
Also, Spies will be in WSBK in 2010 because he won't have won the championship by silly season 2009.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 17 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also, Spies will be in WSBK in 2010 because he won't have won the championship by silly season 2009.
You reckon so?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 16 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you'd see something... A riding primer for the AMA boys. Do you seriously think there is a two wheeled, road racing machine, out there that Rossi wouldn't DOMINATE on?

I don't know, he has always had the best equipment and some behind the scenes work going on for him. 07 was a good example of what happens when he doesn't have all the advantages .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 16 2009, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I <strike>cannot</strike> cannae agree more buddy!

Pete
Fixed.

How insanely great of a one-off would it have been? The greatest Superbike rider of all time vs. the greatest motorcycle rider of all time vs. the prodigy. Bayliss, Rossi and Spies exchanging overtaking maneuvers on production machines. What a party it would have been.