Forget Bayliss vs. Rossi, who wants to see Spies vs. Rossi?

Frankly, I'd like to see this match-up more. Maybe logistics might be easier since they ride under the same manufacturer, if either of them would agree to a head-to-head race. They could choose to race against each other either on a MotoGP bike or a Superbike. Who else would want to see this materialize?

Maybe it will do in the next few years anyway.

I'd say it'll be fairly likely

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 15 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Frankly, I'd like to see this match-up more. Maybe logistics might be easier since they ride under the same manufacturer, if either of them would agree to a head-to-head race. They could choose to race against each other either on a MotoGP bike or a Superbike. Who else would want to see this materialize?
vale will own spies.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 15 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>vale will own spies.


Wait a minute, didnt they race last season? Come to think of it didn't Rossi race Bayliss in GP already?


Give Spies some time on a Super, he's looking good, and lets not forget, he's doing it on a 1000cc four, not a 1200. I think the guy has a very bright future, and once he's got the WSBK title, he'll move to GP, and be worth watching.

Pete

As I and others have said previously he is quite likely to end up racing rossi sooner rather than later in motogp with both on yamahas, where it is likely rossi would beat him unless he continues to ride long enough for their career graphs to intersect. One thing is that a split garage would not appear to be a problem for spies as he is eminently capable of setting a bike up on his own.

As for a match-up on superbikes, spies hasn't won the wsbk championship or rider of the year yet (and I do say yet), the latter achievement being reputedly what prompted rossi to wish to challenge bayliss. Similarly to the bayliss thing I don't think yamaha would let them race on superbikes; why deliberately risk damage to the reputation of a hot property?

I've not seen Spies really get in the mix yet, need to see how he copes with haga as the season continues, David tardozzi is ruling hagas style with a iron fist.
Once haga has free reign then will see.
If can deal with haga then maybe he would stand a chance against Rossi.

Spies is good, no question... but he's not Bayliss.
The whole match race thing came about because Bayliss was awarded Rider of theYear in 2008, ahead of Rossi. Rossi would probably have no interest to race Spies.
Bayless is one of the all time greats of SBK (possibly Bayliss is to SBK as what Roissi is to MGP), and I really believe that had timing been slightly better Bayliss could have had more success on MotoGP.
I actually wished Bayliss had stayed on MotoGP in 2007, with Stoner. They have a similar syyle, and Bayliss is a fighter, not scared to throw everything at a win. I think he could have been a challenger on a competative Ducati in 2007.

Edit
Sorry Michael... didn't read your post before typing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Mar 15 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've not seen Spies really get in the mix yet, need to see how he copes with haga as the season continues, David tardozzi is ruling hagas style with a iron fist.
Once haga has free reign then will see.
If can deal with haga then maybe he would stand a chance against Rossi.

You obviously missed Qatar race one when Ben and Haga traded spots a few times. What exactly do you want?

Also, you are saying that Haga is not allowed to push? Let me ask you. Has Haga's style won him a championship? In 2008 he was all over the place, I would argue that his style this year is what has him sitting in first with a ten point lead as compared to last year where he was ?? after the first four races. I hope that Haga loses his mind and starts making mistakes like in the past that will be good for Spies championship hopes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Mar 16 2009, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bayless is one of the all time greats of SBK (possibly Bayliss is to SBK as what Roissi is to MGP),

Arse hole or not Foggy is still top in superbikes

Also, maybe some people haven't seen qatar yet so be careful discussing those races here

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 16 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arse hole or not Foggy is still top in superbikes

sadly, you are right, foggy does have those 4 titles...

i am fairly certain however that had bayliss stayed a WSB rider as foggy did, hodgson, JT and quite possibly corser(although less likely as the duc had TC issues that year) would all have one less world title...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 15 2009, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute, didnt they race last season? Come to think of it didn't Rossi race Bayliss in GP already?


Give Spies some time on a Super, he's looking good, and lets not forget, he's doing it on a 1000cc four, not a 1200. I think the guy has a very bright future, and once he's got the WSBK title, he'll move to GP, and be worth watching.

Pete
Are you kidding me? The hp of the 4's are more than the twins. I get so sick of hearing this ......... Fine put the twins back to 1000cc ans the 4's back to 750. I mean if you read any of the technical things about these bikes called superbikes they are on a level playing field. If the twin is such a huge advantage then why don't they all come in 1,2,3,4 etc? So come on and get over it. I just laugh at the ignorance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 16 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding me? The hp of the 4's are more than the twins. I get so sick of hearing this ......... Fine put the twins back to 1000cc ans the 4's back to 750. I mean if you read any of the technical things about these bikes called superbikes they are on a level playing field. If the twin is such a huge advantage then why don't they all come in 1,2,3,4 etc? So come on and get over it. I just laugh at the ignorance.
It's swings and rounder bouts. The 4's may produce more horsepower per litre but the twins normally have way more torque and less gyroscopic force in the turns.
So why do you think 1000 twins and 750 4's is fairer than 1000 4's and 1200 twins ??

First, Rossi > Spies on any bike. Ben would likely admit that to anyone in private. Anyone see Laguna/Donnington/Indy? In Laguna, Rossi won, and CV took 3rd. Can't blame the bike for Spies finishing 16 seconds behind the same bike of CV at a track he could race blind.

Whether Bayliss is >= Spies will be known shortly in Valencia. If Ben can pull out a double against Haga, MN, MB, etc. AND beat the fast lap, he has to be greater. He's never ridden the circuit.

What's clear is that in the 990 MotoGP era, Rossi > Bayliss. World SBK is a place for upstarts and riders that aren't as technically proficient as MotoGP grids. They still kick ass, but that's not the story. There is an obvious # 1. We won't know who # 2 is until Ben goes to MotoGP on a factory kit, and Rossi, Stoner and Hayden go to World SBK. I guess we'll never know.

LOL@ people suggesting twins aren't fair. Ducati has sold 1500 Desmosedicci's and they can qualify for homologation in FIM/WSBK. So, why aren't they being run? Japs had a choice, and chose to allow 1200cc V-Twins rather than 990cc V-4 Desmos. Hmmmm...you think they chose the worse option?
Beside that, the stroke length makes the difference in torque. They could all run longner strokes like MV Augusta's IL4 or tune down HP in favor of more bottom. Wonder why they don't?

I don't think there is a great advantage for Ducati in the extra 200cc in comparison to the Ten Kate Hondas or the Yamaha Italias or the Alstare Suzukis, however the abundance of the bike in private teams in WSBK suggests that there is something to be gained.

Spies V Rossi, Errrrrrrr didn't that already happen a few times last year? Dont think he every got a close up view of the back of Rossi's bike did he?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 16 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the abundance of the bike in private teams in WSBK suggests that there is something to be gained.
Ducati's handle very well and have great electronics in their homologated versions. People will always ride the latest winner, which happens to be Ducati. The bike is also V-Twin (easier to understand/work on) nearly the same for the past 3 seasons, making it a cheaper investment for the privateer.

FWIW,
8 Hondas
7 Ducatis
4 Suzuki (shoulda been 5 w Nieto. I bet Suzuki will put out a new bike in a few years with a altered power delivery)
4 Kawasaki
3 Yamaha's (new bike, not even available before the season. I bet when Spies wins, someone will switch or enter this bike as a privateer)
2 Aprilias - see above
2 BMWs - see above

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 16 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's swings and rounder bouts. The 4's may produce more horsepower per litre but the twins normally have way more torque and less gyroscopic force in the turns.
So why do you think 1000 twins and 750 4's is fairer than 1000 4's and 1200 twins ??
I really think it is the same to tell you the truth but find it funny when the Jap companines cried about the twins having more cc's. Your explanation is correct but we all know that Ducati had to have the extra cc's for the bike so the cost of the machine during the race weekend wouldn't be on par with the GP teams. Other than that it just prooved to everyone that the Ducati is a formidible machine although you had to throw a hell of alot of money at the 1000cc machine. But the I4's are fast boy down the straight. I just wish really they would make their superbikes V4's after the GP motors and all their other sport bikes can stay twins. Then no one can say .... about Ducati having this unfair advantage. Looks like spies has a bit of that eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 16 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think there is a great advantage for Ducati in the extra 200cc in comparison to the Ten Kate Hondas or the Yamaha Italias or the Alstare Suzukis, however the abundance of the bike in private teams in WSBK suggests that there is something to be gained.
It seems if there is any advantage the Ducati saves its tires rather than the 4's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 16 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First, Rossi > Spies on any bike. Ben would likely admit that to anyone in private. Anyone see Laguna/Donnington/Indy? In Laguna, Rossi won, and CV took 3rd. Can't blame the bike for Spies finishing 16 seconds behind the same bike of CV at a track he could race blind.

Whether Bayliss is >= Spies will be known shortly in Valencia. If Ben can pull out a double against Haga, MN, MB, etc. AND beat the fast lap, he has to be greater. He's never ridden the circuit.

What's clear is that in the 990 MotoGP era, Rossi > Bayliss. World SBK is a place for upstarts and riders that aren't as technically proficient as MotoGP grids. They still kick ass, but that's not the story. There is an obvious # 1. We won't know who # 2 is until Ben goes to MotoGP on a factory kit, and Rossi, Stoner and Hayden go to World SBK. I guess we'll never know.

LOL@ people suggesting twins aren't fair. Ducati has sold 1500 Desmosedicci's and they can qualify for homologation in FIM/WSBK. So, why aren't they being run? Japs had a choice, and chose to allow 1200cc V-Twins rather than 990cc V-4 Desmos. Hmmmm...you think they chose the worse option?
Beside that, the stroke length makes the difference in torque. They could all run longner strokes like MV Augusta's IL4 or tune down HP in favor of more bottom. Wonder why they don't?
Spies has had how much time on a GP bike vs. Valentino? Yeah I know that Vale is the greatest but I really think if you give Ben a real fighting chance from the start of a season he would win one or two races IF on similar meaning competative machinary.