Forcada on Stoner

Keshav said:

You've got it ...-backwards. If he doesn't state that he wears them, I won't assume that he does. It's yourself that is jumping to conclusions, not based on anything he has stated to be true.

You have seen him use the rear brake? Really? I've seen Stoner race live, but won't go so far as to say I could actually see what his right foot was doing whilst traveling at 150 mph, while standing at track side - how many yards from the actual track? You must have some really good telescopic eyes! I have had a fair amount of racing experience and a degree of insight and have been watching races since the late 70s and I have really good eyesight (with glasses on) and I'd never claim to be able to discern a tiny movement of the right foot under the circumstances.

I make no claim that you are intentionally trying to mislead anyone. It's that you arrive at conclusions not based on critical thinking.

As to what you remember hearing years ago, memory is a funny thing. Moreover, sometimes we hear things that are apocryphal - and over time, if we repeat misinformation enough we have a way of thinking said info is gospel.

Simply said, your statement that Stoner was using no brake at all, strikes me as misinformed. So I challenged you to back it up. Don't get all emotional about it. It's not a personal attack. I've been guilty of saying things I very much believed and been proved wrong - and it's not that big a deal. I'd always rather know the truth. Nothing shameful about being proved wrong.

When someone challenges something you say on PowerSlide, it's the opening of a debate process. That is the life blood of this forum. When Kropo was posting here on a regular basis, even he was challenged - regularly and he never took it personally, as long as the challenge wasn't accompanied by insults or name calling. It's a big part of what we do here.

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I already have provided more information. You are a second rank thinker. You just want to disagree. Not find solutions. I have slid without using brakes, but you can't comprehend that, since you don't have the skill, apparently. Dovisiozo talks about Stoner and his telemetry when he saw it as his team mate. YOU find it, because the internet is swamped with crap and information that was there last year is now buried.

Here is Stoner using the rear brake to induce a slide. Or are you "too skilled" to see it? He uses the throttle to move the bike around the curve. Can you see that? Or is this beyond your glasses' capabilities? I guess you are only a Stoner Fan when you think you can ride like him. Once that becomes plainly obvious that you can not, then anything he might do is subjected to your ire.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...=9ceaf8d960e4c5944ae6eadf0aaffe97&action=view

Iamapony said:

I already have provided more information. You are a second rank thinker. You just want to disagree. Not find solutions. I have slid without using brakes, but you can't comprehend that, since you don't have the skill, apparently. Dovisiozo talks about Stoner and his telemetry when he saw it as his team mate. YOU find it, because the internet is swamped with crap and information that was there last year is now buried.

Here is Stoner using the rear brake to induce a slide. Or are you "too skilled" to see it? He uses the throttle to move the bike around the curve. Can you see that? Or is this beyond your glasses' capabilities? I guess you are only a Stoner Fan when you think you can ride like him. Once that becomes plainly obvious that you can not, then anything he might do is subjected to your ire.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...=9ceaf8d960e4c5944ae6eadf0aaffe97&action=view

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Stoner is not using the back brake to get the back out. Its throttle

BarryMachine said:

Stoner is not using the back brake to get the back out. Its throttle

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I'd tend to agree with you old chap.

Iamapony said:

I already have provided more information. You are a second rank thinker. You just want to disagree. Not find solutions. I have slid without using brakes, but you can't comprehend that, since you don't have the skill, apparently. Dovisiozo talks about Stoner and his telemetry when he saw it as his team mate. YOU find it, because the internet is swamped with crap and information that was there last year is now buried.

Here is Stoner using the rear brake to induce a slide. Or are you "too skilled" to see it? He uses the throttle to move the bike around the curve. Can you see that? Or is this beyond your glasses' capabilities? I guess you are only a Stoner Fan when you think you can ride like him. Once that becomes plainly obvious that you can not, then anything he might do is subjected to your ire.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...=9ceaf8d960e4c5944ae6eadf0aaffe97&action=view

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Contrary to your assertion, I am not a contrarian. There is nothing to "solve" per se. - as there is no problem to be solved. This is not an issue of "positive thinking". It's no big deal to slide in the middle of a turn while not on the brakes. I raced AMA-CCS races for years, not to mention AAMARR and WERA, and I managed my own endurance racing team as well.

I just know from experience that some brakes are always applied when transitioning from either the end of a straight, or when coming out of a right side turn to a left.

To say that it's my responsibility to find evidence to back up your baseless assertions - is really weak. Nothing is buried on the internet. If it was there 10 years ago - it still is.

Again, you shoot yourself in the foot by asserting that Stoner was using his rear brake entering the turn because:

A. You are imagining things - because his foot never moves (in that particular video).
B. I already asserted that pretty much all racers do use the rear brake, at some point, to settle the bike in a transition to a turn.

Show me where I said he does not use the throttle to steer? I said he doesn't do the whole turn never once applying the brakes.

As far as my appreciation of Stoner not being up to your standards, you are so barking up the wrong tree. Ask anyone here who's been around. I've been one of his most ardent admirers. However, unlike yourself, I am neither a faith-based worshipper, nor am I willing to abandon critical thinking, just because I think he's a great racer. You can subject me to the verbal equivalent of jumping up and down and stomping your feet until you turn blue in the face - but that doesn't make for a convincing argument.

Lastly - there's no "ire" in my post whatsoever. I might gently mock you for making fan-boy assertions that are not based in fact, but there's no anger in my post at all. If your post to me are done with regard, there's no reason for me to reply with malice.

Didn't Stoner use a thumb brake?

Barbedwirebikerr said:

I'd tend to agree with you old chap.

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As do I.

AntG said:

Didn't Stoner use a thumb brake?

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Didn't think so Ant, at least not in the Ducati days but he may have in 2012 at HRC after the leg injury.

Here it is by demand, Stoner entering Stoner Corner at Phillips Island using NO BRAKES and just shutting off the throttle and turning the throttle back on. It can't get much clearer than this one. If there is still some question about what Stoner says that he does on that corner, those in doubt should call him up personally and discuss it with him, because I am done with this one.


https://youtu.be/VmmkWnpBLZQ

AntG said:

Didn't Stoner use a thumb brake?

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No.

He broke his scafoid once, thats close to his thumb.

I think we can say that:

Using the back brake to initiate a slide .... is just "kids skids"
A technique used by such proponents as Arab, Pinky, Daniskiboy, motovudu .... and rossi. Its a technique learned by putting in many hard laps of the magazine shelf and out the front of the local "chipper/ milk bar/ drug store/ 7eleven ....

Or

Using the thottle to initiate the slide ... then do whatever to maintain it whilst accelerating .... going faster ... used by such proponents as Barrymachine ..... and MickD ( yes Mick is on board with the VSGs .... so hes on board for it all! )

Kids skids ...... never heard of such a thing :rolleyes;

Iamapony said:

Here it is by demand, Stoner entering Stoner Corner at Phillips Island using NO BRAKES and just shutting off the throttle and turning the throttle back on. It can't get much clearer than this one. If there is still some question about what Stoner says that he does on that corner, those in doubt should call him up personally and discuss it with him, because I am done with this one.


https://youtu.be/VmmkWnpBLZQ

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FFS - you've got to be kidding! This is a homemade fan video. Stoner doesn't state he used no brakes, no authoritative journalist makes this assertion. Any moron with Imovie and a YouTube account can make videos like this and claim Stoner didn't use the brake at any time in the turn. And moreover it's been established at a minimum by the engineer who daily read Stoner's telemetry that he regularly uses the brake on the exit from the turn.