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JPSLotus said:

You have that mistaken with the Phillip Island race where JL sarcastically thanked MM for helping him by taking away valuable points.

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The mistake is on YOUR part. That was a different incident to what I'm referring.

The incident I'm speaking of was after the final race, as reported by ABC:

In a bizarre twist, Lorenzo appeared to support Rossi's claim in an interview with Movistar MotoGP channel.

Whilst denying that "any pact" existed between him and Marquez he intimated that his compatriots had helped him win the title by not passing him.

"They knew what I had in play," Lorenzo said.

"The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me.

"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake which they didn't this time."

Those words coming from you mean nothing to me, or to anyone that reads them. You've been around for a year and done nothin but spit up vomit. With time and decent interaction comes respect, something you will never gain from myself or many on this board.

When it comes to national camaraderie, one thing is intentionally harming another competitor and another is not interfering in a fellow countyman's tittle bid.


Would you consider the original Texas Tornado unsportsmanlike when he would run, or try to run, disturbance for Rossi? Or was that before your time, therefore it didn't happen?

tps7c said:

To answer the question, the Italian riders only let Rossi pass once the damage had already been done by the Spaniards. everything was on the up and up until Marc started intentionally slowing (as proven by the time sheets) to upset Rossi's chance at winning his 10th title.

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But did they cheat to influence the race?

And technically no, the damage had not been done as going into Valencia Rossi still lead the world championship by 7 points, thus, despite all circumstances he had the upper hand as JL had to finish and finish well in order to take the title (sadly for many Rossi fans and of course Rossi himself, JL managed to do this with somewhat aplomb).

tps7c said:

As to you BATURRO, you are a disgrace to this forum, motogp in general, and the spirit of sportsmanship. You just admitted to a world forum of motorsports enthusiasts that you would CHEAT for your countrymen if the need should arise, instead of letting the spirit of fair competition play out. Shame, shame, everyone knows your name!

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So called conspiracies to win titles are nothing new, and are ingrained in all manner of team oriented sports

Is it cheating for a domestique to set the pace for their lead out rider?

Is it cheating for a pace setter in running races to be allowed?

Is it cheating for a #2 rider or driver to move over to allow their higher ranked team mate through?

Was it cheating when a gang of italians teamed up to try to deny a world title around 20 - 25 years ago for a non-Italian?

Is it cheating for a manufacturer to openly support one rider over another?


Certainly within today's gambling driven world there is always the risk that such behaviours could be seen as corrupt as the intent is to influence the end result but to date, there have been very very few athletes charged over corruption or match fixing and thus it is either tolerated (circumstantially), allowed or an accusation extremely difficult to prove

tps7c said:

Now you are showing your true colors. Who said anything about Valencia?? Of course he didn't interfere at that race, the damage was already done. You are skilled in the art of trolling, my friend. Perhaps that bottle of brew SHOULD be aimed in your general direction.

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I am not sure what statement by Lorenzo you refer to. The only one I am aware of in which he thanked MM was after the Valencia race, essentially for not taking a fellow Spaniard out of the race and championship by a kamikaze move a la the more recent move by Iannone on Dovi, the only type of move that was feasible imo given Jorge rode at (and was pushed to) near record pace all race and made no mistakes on a track where it has historically been hard to pass in the dry.

michaelm said:

I am not sure what statement by Lorenzo you refer to. The only one I am aware of in which he thanked MM was after the Valencia race, essentially for not taking a fellow Spaniard out of the race and championship by a kamikaze move a la the more recent move by Iannone on Dovi, the only type of move that was feasible imo given Jorge rode at (and was pushed to) near record pace all race and made no mistakes on a track where it has historically been hard to pass in the dry.

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As reported by ABC:

In a bizarre twist, Lorenzo appeared to support Rossi's claim in an interview with Movistar MotoGP channel.

Whilst denying that "any pact" existed between him and Marquez he intimated that his compatriots had helped him win the title by not passing him.

"They knew what I had in play," Lorenzo said.

"The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me.

"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake which they didn't this time."

Gaz said:

But did they cheat to influence the race?

And technically no, the damage had not been done as going into Valencia Rossi still lead the world championship by 7 points, thus, despite all circumstances he had the upper hand as JL had to finish and finish well in order to take the title (sadly for many Rossi fans and of course Rossi himself, JL managed to do this with somewhat aplomb).




So called conspiracies to win titles are nothing new, and are ingrained in all manner of team oriented sports

Is it cheating for a domestique to set the pace for their lead out rider?

Is it cheating for a pace setter in running races to be allowed?

Is it cheating for a #2 rider or driver to move over to allow their higher ranked team mate through?

Was it cheating when a gang of italians teamed up to try to deny a world title around 20 - 25 years ago for a non-Italian?

Is it cheating for a manufacturer to openly support one rider over another?


Certainly within today's gambling driven world there is always the risk that such behaviours could be seen as corrupt as the intent is to influence the end result but to date, there have been very very few athletes charged over corruption or match fixing and thus it is either tolerated (circumstantially), allowed or an accusation extremely difficult to prove

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Gaz, you went from a respected posted to a troll with that one. You know dan well that the damage had been done. Rossi started from the back and needed third to win the title. Come on man, the title was lost before Valencia.

And the fact that cheating is common in all sports DOES NOT make it right, for anyone.

baturro said:

Those words coming from you mean nothing to me, or to anyone that reads them. You've been around for a year and done nothin but spit up vomit. With time and decent interaction comes respect, something you will never gain from myself or many on this board.

When it comes to national camaraderie, one thing is intentionally harming another competitor and another is not interfering in a fellow countyman's tittle bid.


Would you consider the original Texas Tornado unsportsmanlike when he would run, or try to run, disturbance for Rossi? Or was that before your time, therefore it didn't happen?

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Have you polled everyone who read those words to see if they meant anything?One man's vomit is another man's dinner. Do you honestly thinnk I care about or want respect from an internet discussion board? No offense, but I could not care less what you or anyone else thinks of me. Just as you shouldn't care what I think of you.

moto vudu said:

Your analogy with the gun is terrible.

Rossi's leg was off the peg because Marc's bike knocked it off. Rossi running Marc wide and blocking his path to turn into the corner wasn't a racing move and he was punished for it. But at no point did he kick Marc's bike.

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Not really because at the end of the day the narrative was about victim blaming, and that is what the analogy was about. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with my using the blame the .... victim analogy.

Marc's bike knocked his leg off the peg...

This is hilarious Vudu especially since the motion Rossi made with his leg doesn't happen from your leg getting knocked off of a bike peg. If I shove your leg forward, it moves forward, not backwards. The slip off the peg happened with the backwards move he made with his leg.

baturro said:

Those words coming from you mean nothing to me, or to anyone that reads them. You've been around for a year and done nothin but spit up vomit. With time and decent interaction comes respect, something you will never gain from myself or many on this board.

When it comes to national camaraderie, one thing is intentionally harming another competitor and another is not interfering in a fellow countyman's tittle bid.


Would you consider the original Texas Tornado unsportsmanlike when he would run, or try to run, disturbance for Rossi? Or was that before your time, therefore it didn't happen?

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That is what team-mates are traditionally expected to do in this sport, which is where it becomes hard to sanction MM for Sepang even if you consider his motives to be nefarious (I raise this for the purpose of this post only) given he rode legally and exactly as a team-mate of JL's would actually be required to ride in the circumstance, and I would think it impossible for RD to sanction or not sanction the same actions based only on the identity of the rider, although they did (ridiculously imo unless they have mind reading equipment or members with mind reading ability) reprimand MM's motives.

I went back and watched the race where Dani took out Hayden in 2006 to refresh my memory during a discussion a couple of years ago and it was very noticeable that Edwards was blocking for Rossi in that race, with which I had no problem btw.

I don't have to poll. I've been around long enough to know the true members.

I like to be respected by respectable people. Made up on the intraweb or not. Sad that you don't. Bet you have a lot of real friend too.

tps7c said:

Gaz, you went from a respected posted to a troll with that one. You know dan well that the damage had been done. Rossi started from the back and needed third to win the title. Come on man, the title was lost before Valencia.

And the fact that cheating is common in all sports DOES NOT make it right, for anyone.

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Answer me this.

How is a title lost when you are leading the points (and that is a fact)?

It may not have helped, it may not have made it easy, but the FACT remains that entering Valencia, Valentino Rossi was 7 points in front in the title chase and thus, was what is called 'the championship leader'.

Due to an incident and subsequent blame, he was relegated to the rear of the grid irrespective of qualifying position, which was not the greatest as he was more concentrating on race setup (actually, only because he was found to be slow on the racing line during practice at an earlier event is this even an issue)

The FACT that he started the race last does not diminish that he was leading the championship up until the chequered flag was shown, a time during which JL could have fallen, had mechanical issues or simply been beaten (after all, you attest that some spanish riders made no efforts to pass). Add to this of course that MM or DP could have also easily fallen (MM having significant history in 2015) and Rossi was still a chance up until the final results.

...., technically he was even a chance for some time afterwards due to post race scrutineering and weighins he was still a long shot

But what of the Italians who allowed VR to pass so easily - did they partake in cheating?

And what of the social media push for riders to allow VR past far easier due to their own feelings over the incident, punishment or as many admitted, their own idolising of Rossi?

JPSLotus said:

Not really because at the end of the day the narrative was about victim blaming, and that is what the analogy was about. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with my using the blame the .... victim analogy.

Marc's bike knocked his leg off the peg...

This is hilarious Vudu especially since the motion Rossi made with his leg doesn't happen from your leg getting knocked off of a bike peg. If I shove your leg forward, it moves forward, not backwards. The slip off the peg happened with the backwards move he made with his leg.

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JPS, if my leg gets shoved forward and off the peg, then physics dictates that my leg needs to go backwards to connect with the peg again. Or perhaps I could just let my leg dangle in thin air for awhile.

baturro said:

I don't have to poll. I've been around long enough to know the true members.

I like to be respected by respectable people. Made up on the intraweb or not. Sad that you don't. Bet you have a lot of real friend too.

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Baturro, you can cry all you want, but this forum was about as interesting as grass growing until I riled all you reverse-boppers up over the past few days. Please send checks or money orders.

JPSLotus said:

Not really because at the end of the day the narrative was about victim blaming, and that is what the analogy was about. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with my using the blame the .... victim analogy.

Marc's bike knocked his leg off the peg...

This is hilarious Vudu especially since the motion Rossi made with his leg doesn't happen from your leg getting knocked off of a bike peg. If I shove your leg forward, it moves forward, not backwards. The slip off the peg happened with the backwards move he made with his leg.

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Marc turned into Rossi's bike and may have pinched his brake lever in the process. Rossi's leg could've been pulled backwards off the peg as Marc's bike was falling AND Rossi was accelerating. Far more plausible than Rossi with his twig legs generating enough force to "punt" Marc or Rossi performing a no-look kick to precisely hit Marc's brake lever through the brake guard.

tps7c said:

As reported by ABC:

In a bizarre twist, Lorenzo appeared to support Rossi's claim in an interview with Movistar MotoGP channel.

Whilst denying that "any pact" existed between him and Marquez he intimated that his compatriots had helped him win the title by not passing him.

"They knew what I had in play," Lorenzo said.

"The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me.

"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake which they didn't this time."

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Yes, this is what he said, after Valencia as I posted, essentially imo as I said for not trying a kamikaze pass on him in the circumstances, at a track where there have been no passes for the lead in a substantial majority of the dry races for over a decade. As MM said if he had wanted to shepherd JL he would have done it from 5 seconds back not by pushing him to a near record pace every lap, and the Rossi/MM contretemps at Sepang despite RD finding that MM had ridden entirely legally while Rossi was penalised for riding illegally somehow also resulted in a reprimand for MM for racing Rossi so hard, apparently because his motives were improper. Rossi had been promulgating a new set of "Rossi 10th championship rules" for several races previously that no rider other than another title contender should be able to race a title contender; sometimes you should perhaps be careful what you wish for, you just might get your wish.

This is a Lorenzo thread and Rossi in mentioned probably ten times as much as him.

"I'm so obsessed that I'm becoming a bore, oh no" -James

This is a Lorenzo thread and Rossi in mentioned probably ten times as much as him.

"I'm so obsessed that I'm becoming a bore, oh no" -James

steeeeeve said:

This is a Lorenzo thread and Rossi in mentioned probably ten times as much as him.

"I'm so obsessed that I'm becoming a bore, oh no" -James

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You can say whatever you want, but Lorenzo is about as entertaining as a slippery eel. And if we watch motogp for entertainment, then personality must be included in such a discussion.

steeeeeve said:

This is a Lorenzo thread and Rossi in mentioned probably ten times as much as him.

"I'm so obsessed that I'm becoming a bore, oh no" -James

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You don't think Rossi or the events discussed in which he was involved were at all influential in JL's move to Ducati, the actual topic of this thread? Do you think JL would be moving if he had received appropriate recognition and support, from Yamaha in particular, as the winner of their last 3 titles, including the one he rather inconveniently actually won last year?

It is also a Rossi fan rather than a JL fan who is by his own admission deliberately (and cleverly in his own opinion) provoking the controversy on this and other current threads.

tps7c said:

You can say whatever you want, but Lorenzo is about as entertaining as a slippery eel. And if we watch motogp for entertainment, then personality must be included in such a discussion.

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There we have it.

The entertainment for me is watching riders ride magnificently.