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^ boring yes...i could agree to that ...but ARROGANT?!!!!!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Jan 25 2007, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're a big fan of Juan Manuel Fangio and Kimi Raikkonen aye?
I used to like Raikkonen as my fav, I perfer Alonso now though as I think we're seeing a different side to Kimi, slightly boring and arrogant.
I guess we are seeing a different side..
I see a very good driver, who is really fast and he only cares about winning, 2nd place doesn't count for him. That's what I like about him. People often say he's arrogant, but why?? I fail to see why Kimi is arrogant. Yes, he's not the most charismatic driver, but for sure he's not arrogant. If people find him boring that's cool too, cause he's not a MS or a Senna or an Eddie Irvine (these drivers were definitely NOT boring). I personally don't think he's boring, but even if he was I wouldn't care, cause I support drivers for other reasons. I can understand someone would support FA, he's without a doubt a great drivers, but at least Kimi doesnt complain when things go bad, he doesnt blame the team. That's what KR and MS have in common.
Anyway, we all have our opinions..and that's good
I used to like Raikkonen as my fav, I perfer Alonso now though as I think we're seeing a different side to Kimi, slightly boring and arrogant.
I guess we are seeing a different side..
I see a very good driver, who is really fast and he only cares about winning, 2nd place doesn't count for him. That's what I like about him. People often say he's arrogant, but why?? I fail to see why Kimi is arrogant. Yes, he's not the most charismatic driver, but for sure he's not arrogant. If people find him boring that's cool too, cause he's not a MS or a Senna or an Eddie Irvine (these drivers were definitely NOT boring). I personally don't think he's boring, but even if he was I wouldn't care, cause I support drivers for other reasons. I can understand someone would support FA, he's without a doubt a great drivers, but at least Kimi doesnt complain when things go bad, he doesnt blame the team. That's what KR and MS have in common.
Anyway, we all have our opinions..and that's good
I think what tinks is getting at is, in some ways, it could be said that Elias cost Rossi the chapionship, winning in Estoril robbed Rossi of the 5 points he needed to take the title, and then there was the Jerez incident. Even Rossi, without blaming Elias for anything has admitted he's not too happy about what Toni did on these occasions. But hey, it's racing. Maybe if Rossi was really god he could have given himself the extra speed to make up for these events. I guess he's just not that great
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LAST!! For What? Surely you can't put a guy last just for Beating Rossi in a fair race and finally taking his first motogp victory.
SORRY did you watch the races?? First, race of the season Elias knocked Rossi off and then he beat him [ albeit fair and swqare] taking more vital points he needed to win the title so is Elias fundamental in Rossi's fate YES
SORRY did you watch the races?? First, race of the season Elias knocked Rossi off and then he beat him [ albeit fair and swqare] taking more vital points he needed to win the title so is Elias fundamental in Rossi's fate YES
To put Elias last for taking Rossi off would be fine, but you have totally overlooked Rossis first turn at Le mans. If you recall he went up the inside like a madman, on the kerbs, knocked into a few guys and took DePuniet down, at his home GP as well. These things happen in racing, its a little unfair to place such blame unless its obvious the guy taking riders off isn't going to make the turn at all.
There are a lot more factors, too. If Edwards had beaten Hayden at Assen, Rossi would also have the 5 points he needed, or Maybe if Edwards worked harder, he could have held off Elias and KRJR. But he didn't. So is that a reason to dislike Edwards? The fact of the matter is, there's a lot of points involved in a championship fight. It could be argued that Elias's win robbed Rossi of the title, or Hayden's wins, or Rossi's DNF, or whatever, the fact is it was a culmination of these things. And while winning championships requires immense amounts of skill and dedication, you won't win if luck's not on your side. Rossi had it pretty good with luck over the last half a decade, it just failed him this year. Better luck next time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 30 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To put Elias last for taking Rossi off would be fine, but you have totally overlooked Rossis first turn at Le mans. If you recall he went up the inside like a madman, on the kerbs, knocked into a few guys and took DePuniet down, at his home GP as well. These things happen in racing, its a little unfair to place such blame unless its obvious the guy taking riders off isn't going to make the turn at all.
elias knew what he'd done thoo cos he was begging for acceptance of his apology off rossi at the end of the race
elias knew what he'd done thoo cos he was begging for acceptance of his apology off rossi at the end of the race
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 31 2007, 03:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even less reason to hate the guy. Rossi didn't seem to care to much about the trouble he caused.
I'm not so sure that's true, mate. Got this quote from an interview with Rossi on Elias in a post eason magazine interview
"At the end of the Valencia race, Toni came to meto say ciao, but, f, with him, I'm not able to have a happy feeling at the moment, because of Jerez and Portugal......
....and I pooosh and pooosh.."
but...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 31 2007, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he gave vale a little of what he's given to others plenty!
... Old man river is spot on here. So it's ok for Rossi to deliberately bash Gibernau off the track and laugh at him on the podium at the start of a horror year that, in another life, could have seen him the Champion, but for Elias to do the same thing to Rossi accidentally, only a few hundered meters away from the gravel Sete almost bit a year earlier, and then going for a win and taking the fight to Rossi (How dare he?) All of a sudden he's a bad guy?
I'm not so sure that's true, mate. Got this quote from an interview with Rossi on Elias in a post eason magazine interview
"At the end of the Valencia race, Toni came to meto say ciao, but, f, with him, I'm not able to have a happy feeling at the moment, because of Jerez and Portugal......
....and I pooosh and pooosh.."
but...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 31 2007, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he gave vale a little of what he's given to others plenty!
... Old man river is spot on here. So it's ok for Rossi to deliberately bash Gibernau off the track and laugh at him on the podium at the start of a horror year that, in another life, could have seen him the Champion, but for Elias to do the same thing to Rossi accidentally, only a few hundered meters away from the gravel Sete almost bit a year earlier, and then going for a win and taking the fight to Rossi (How dare he?) All of a sudden he's a bad guy?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 31 2007, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even less reason to hate the guy. Rossi didn't seem to care to much about the trouble he caused.
Richo, I think what Tom is referring to here [about Rossi] is the Le Mans incident. I don't remember any apology from Rossi for taking De Puniet out. But then, he was a little preoccupied that day. Maybe he was too busy crying (because his Yamaha had broken down) to apologise...
Richo, I think what Tom is referring to here [about Rossi] is the Le Mans incident. I don't remember any apology from Rossi for taking De Puniet out. But then, he was a little preoccupied that day. Maybe he was too busy crying (because his Yamaha had broken down) to apologise...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 20 2007, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, Jorge is busy defending his 250 crown, he couldn't make it this year. Would you like to leave a message? :lol:
yes please.. LOL
yes please.. LOL
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have to put rossi in the first spot cause he is just one off those riders who has an air of mystery around him, cause it does defy logic what the man can do on a bike.
and in secound nakano, after that 200mph crass when his back tyre exploded and for riding the wheels of a bundle for the last few years like the wee demon he is.
and in secound nakano, after that 200mph crass when his back tyre exploded and for riding the wheels of a bundle for the last few years like the wee demon he is.
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interesting poll. ROSSI! favourite?! i would never have guessed
interesting poll. ROSSI! favourite?! i would never have guessed
