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cliché guevara
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Hate is too strong a word.

Massive dislike is the word we're looking for. Maybe not even that anymore, if Ferrari and him start behaving like the champions they strive to be I'm the first to cheer.i just respect and love the sport too much to have it kicked and treated with disrespect.


Rhetorical question: how come webber is so far back? Again, in a "perfect " car?

Grosjean looking good since he got the kimi parts.

Nows the time to prove he's worthy of equal equipment. The raw speed has always been there imo
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I agree Cliche ... Hate is a really strong word and the quote you mentioned above about Alonso saying something like: "If I was in the redbull team I had 10 titles." ... I agree with you, It is just cheap words coming out of Alonso's mouth. It isn't the sportsmanship we all are looking for in sports. 
 
too much talk of tyres. lyria, wake me when pirelli offers something that can be called a tyre.


when a brand new tyre starts to throw rubber by turn 3 something is wrong beyond belief.
 
Well Eyebrows won dammit!! :(


 


Good race compared to some in Barcelona, not usually know for a good race in my opinion. Kimi drove well, Vettel did all he could in a car that just wasn't fast enough. Of course Eyebrows had most of the crowd cheering him on. That Merc is a dog of a car isn't it? To have both cars start on the front of the grid and to fade like that is really bad. McLaren did well to get both cars in the points, they're not going so well either. Unlucky for Grosjeans his car breaking like that too, he was lucky to not have a big crash when that happened.


 


That unsafe release on Hulkenberg was just stupid as well when will they ever learn?  Oh and that tyre coming of Van Der Gardes car, again, stupid and dangerous.


 


All in all I enjoyed the race but they need to sort the tyres out, four pit stops is plain ridiculous, the drivers can't push most of the time and it's getting worse, not better!
 
That was awful!  :(


 


The abysmal race pace of the Mercedes cars really hammers home the point that the tire situation is absurd.  There is no racing, only technical, boring, tire management, and the vast majority of radio traffic consists of a driver's race engineer urging him to 'take it easy.'  I like the response of Hambone, who was running not far from last at the time, "I can't go any slower!"
 
Geonerd
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That was awful!  :(


 


The abysmal race pace of the Mercedes cars really hammers home the point that the tire situation is absurd.  There is no racing, only technical, boring, tire management, and the vast majority of radio traffic consists of a driver's race engineer urging him to 'take it easy.'  I like the response of Hambone, who was running not far from last at the time, "I can't go any slower!"
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Even better was when he said he was getting passed by the Williams. 


Pirelli is really not doing a good job with the tires this season. Every race it's the same crap, and a lot of the onboards they show really display how slow they are driving these highly capable top class F1 cars. Coasting through corners, slow inputs, it's horrible. It was very interesting how at the start there was a huge line of cars behind Rosberg that clearly had the pace to go around, but decided to just sit back and preserve the tires. 


 


And people say MotoGP is boring!
 
To be fair Barcelona is always one of the more boring races of the season. Apparently there is a barrage of complaints about the tyres and Pirella are considering doing something about it by Silverstone, that's big of them. So that just means we have to put up with them in Monaco and Canada then, ahh yes Canada, a circuit that is well known for being hard on tyres :rolleyes:


 


I was on a high watching that race as I haven't watched any F1 yet this season, (was trying to concentrate on the bikes you see,), but I had to watch it in the end so I did enjoy it from that perspective. I want to see the drivers pushing their cars not messing about and coasting due to the tyres.


 


Oh and could I just correct you elitemafia? It was a Williams not a Caterham that Hamilton complained he got passed by, Maldonado to be exact, but to be honest they aren't much faster than the Caterhams right now anyway.
 
Williams has been slipping and sliding for years, and seem to have reached a new low.  What the heck is going on within the team?  There must be some sort of deeply entrenched organizational dysfunction - something that would make Ducati look brilliant.


 


Wasn't it last year that Maldonado WON in a Williams?  Now they are fighting to stay ahead of the Caterham and Marussia bottom-dwellers.  Yikes!


 


Lyria, what's wrong with Fernando's facial hair?  ;)


 


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"Please don't hate me just because I'm a smug jerk!"


 


 


Hey, at least he's not a midget!
 
Yes Geonerd, the fall of Williams since they won the championship in 1997 with my favourite Jacques Villeneuve at the wheel has been sad hasn't it? You're correct too, Maldonado did win the race last year, he even had a picture of himself winning on the pit garage wall and was yelling at it apparently to get himself in the zone, so I heard anyway.  Sam Michael joined Williams and it all seemed to go downhill after that, now he's joined McLaren for this year and look where they are. The man is jinx I tell you ;)  Sir Frank's daughter is in charge and she seems nice enough, whether she can turn things around I really don't know. Going from being fast to slow happens rapidly, going the other way rarely is.


 


Actually for a while I was an Alonso fan, back in 2007 when he was at McLaren I defended the guy for the way he behaved as well. Then he went back to Benetton/Renault (now Lotus) and there was the infamous crash-gate at Singapore with all the associated fall out. Two days or so before facing the FIA when we all know he was in on it, he looked directly into the camera and denied all knowledge. At that point I looked at him and thought 'you liar' and I went right off him there and then. I can't support a driver/rider I don't respect as a person.


 


Vettel  might be flawed, arrogant call it what you will but at least he's honest and I like that about him. He admits what he did and says he'd do it again in the same situation. That's why I like him, oh and of course because I think he's a great driver too. :)
 
Yea, Sam Michael certainly seems to have the Touch of Death.
 
Williams has been slipping and sliding for years, and seem to have reached a new low.  What the heck is going on within the team?  There must be some sort of deeply entrenched organizational dysfunction - something that would make Ducati look brilliant.
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Money probably has a lot to do with it. They just don't have the budget of the other British teams.


 


They have done remarkably well with what they have, and it seems the new ECUs and the new KERS and the new tyres and the new aero rules have hit them hard - financially all those cumulative changes must be devastating.


 


Frank is also getting on... it must be difficult maintaining the drive and pressure for 47 years... and in my mind, he has done exceptionally well for a guy that funded his racing by selling groceries door-to-door.


 


Patrick Head has left the F1 team as well, but since that time they recorded their first win since 2004... 


 


I don't think there is any organisational dysfunction - quite the opposite. I think they are a remarkable team that is scrabbling for the same kind of cash as Mercedes, MacLaren, Ferrari. Lotus and Red bull, for example, have a massive budget by comparison.


 


2012: 


 


Williams: 90M euro


Red Bull: 280M euro


MacLaren:280M euro


Ferrari: 300M euro


Mercedes: 210M euro


Sauber: 150M euro


Lotus: 150M euro


 
Geonerd
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"Please don't hate me just because I'm a smug jerk!"


 


 


Hey, at least he's not a midget!
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Depends from where you are looking. He's 5'6". My wife is 5'9" and all my kids are over 5'11"... two of them are 6'0" or more :)


 


He's a midget.
 
Lyria
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 Vettel  might be flawed, arrogant call it what you will but at least he's honest and I like that about him. He admits what he did and says he'd do it again in the same situation. That's why I like him, oh and of course because I think he's a great driver too. :)
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I like him. I think he is Senna-like in his self-belief and he makes no apologies for his decisions.


 


All top sportsmen are flawed in some way. You need to be focused and self-centred in order to be so single-minded.


 


I like Webber as well, but people that ask 'why is he so uneven' are missing the point - he's not as good a driver. On his day, he can run with the best of them and given a clear track and a car that's in the groove, he is as good as any. But the class of drivers shows when things aren't going so well. That's when the likes of Alonso, Vettel, Raikkonen, Schumacher shine.


 


And speaking of Kimi :) Ya gotta love 'im. He is the ultimate fighter, in my book - uncompromising, uninhibited, unrepentant. give him the right car and he will deliver. The last of the old-school GP hard men, IMO.
 
At least Pirelli have listened, they're going to change the tyres and make them 'less fragile' their words not mine. At first they were going to sort it by the race in Britain, but the race before that one (Canada) is really hard on tyres, the way they were last race we could have had as many as six stops there I reckon. Anyway, they've seen sense and the new tryes will be ready before Canada. Monaco doesn't matter quite as much in my opinion so that's promising I would say.


 


BJ.C, I did used to like Webber but lately he's too keen on playing the poor hard done by one when it suits him.   Kimi is good when he has a car that suits him and he's engaged, when he doesn't have it his way you can forget it, he simply can't be bothered then.
 
Honda will power F1 cars next year


 


http://www.crash.net/f1/news/191237/1/breaking_honda_confirms_f1_return.html
<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;The much-hyped rumour that Honda will be returning to the F1 fold under the next generation of engine regulations is now truth, following a press conference that confirmed its return – and a reunion with McLaren.

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;As expected, the deal will take effect from the start of the 2015 season, as McLaren<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px; has a year to run on its existing agreement with Mercedes.

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;The rumour mill began cranking out stories of a possible McLaren-Honda return back in February, although suggestions that the Japanese marque would be joining Renault, Ferrari<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px; and Mercedes was played down by the former's Rob White as recently as last month. When McLaren<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px; team boss Martin Whitmarsh refused to comment on rumours that the Woking squad had not taken up an extension on its current contract, however, the speculation stepped up a notch. Yesterday, the Japanese media then began to suggest that an announcement was imminent, culminating in the press conference – broadcast online – that confirmed the deal.

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;Honda's return not only renews an association that was one of the most successful in F1 history as Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna the combination to titles during the 1980s and '90s, but also sees Honda step back into an arena it vacated as a full-blown constructor six seasons ago. It also signals the reappearance of Honda turbo power, harking back to the days when it took the technology to new heights of both output and efficiency.

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;“Ever since its establishment, Honda has been a company which grows by taking on challenges in racing,” company president and CEO Takanobu Ito remarked, “Honda has a long history of advancing our technologies and nurturing our people by participating in the world's most prestigious automobile racing series. The new F1 regulations with their significant environmental focus will inspire even greater development of our own advanced technologies and this is central to our participation in F1. 

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;“We have the greatest respect for the FIA's decision to introduce these new regulations that are both highly challenging but also attractive to manufacturers that pursue environmental technologies and to Formula One<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px; Group, which has developed F1 into a high value, top car racing category supported by enthusiastic fans.”

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;Honda will build its all-new 1.6-litre V6 at its R&D facility in Tochigi, where development is already underway, but has not yet confirmed whether its deal with McLaren<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px; is exclusive to the Woking squad. F1 regulations stipulate that any manufacturer wanting to provide engines to the top flight needs to supply a minimum of two teams, and there are other teams who have both expressed an interest in the marque's return and/or continue to seek an engine partner for 2014.

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;“We would like to express our sincere gratitude to Jean Todt, the president of the FIA, and to Bernie Ecclestone, the CEO of Formula One<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px; Group, who showed great understanding and co-operation to help realise our participation in F1 racing,” Ito continued.

<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;“The corporate slogan of Honda is 'The Power of Dreams'. This slogan represents our strong desire to pursue and realise our dreams together with our customers and fans. Together with McLaren, one of the most distinguished F1 constructors, Honda will mark a new beginning in our challenges in F1
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Now THAT will put the cat among the pigeons.


 


Having another engine choice just made things very interesting. No longer can the engine manufacturers treat the teams like supplicants at the font of knowledge. Honda don't play that 'gang' game.


 


For too long the likes of Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes have dictated terms to the teams, with the likes of Cosworth picking up the crumbs. With Honda back in the game there is someone with proven big HP experience that has the production facilities to sell to as many teams as wants their product.


 


Welcome back!
 
Seems we're not going to get a change to the tyres, the FIA has stepped in and said they are only allowed to change them on safety reasons, not to improve the racing.


 


Full story: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107487


 


I dread to think what it's going to be like in Canada. It's so ridiculous, the cars are all tiptoeing around and not really racing and it looks like we're stuck with it :( 
 
I don't see a problem with the tires/tyres the way they are.  Especially since all teams have been testing with them and have had time to plan accordingly.  4 stops makes for another part of competition, the pits.  They no longer stop for fuel, got to give something to them guys to work for their salary!


 


I found it funny how Ferrari brought up that not long ago, Red Bull pitted 4 times and won at Montmelo a couple years ago and there was no fuss made about tires/tyres then.  
 
Difference being at the moment that in contrast to then it's not about driving 15 laps at 100% instead of 20 at say 90% but now it's really 90-95% of the time where drivers have to go seconds (!) Slower and the really fast laps per driver and race are in the single figures at best. Thats not even going into the unpredictability of the degradation and hence roll of the dice.

Good thing Pirelli have an easy way out by throwing merc and red bull under the bus since Ferrari and lotus apparently appreciate this new kind racing
 
Of the four teams you mentioned, seems like 2 got it right.  Kind of unfair for the smart kids to give an easy exam at the end of the year so the dumb kids can get descent grades...
 
I get the argument but I won't put up with these crap tyres just because they've been crap for months.like I said easy for Pirelli not to do .... because they can afford to piss of merc , red bull or in fact any other team rather than changing something
 
It's a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation.  What may be beneficial to some will be detrimental to others.  Ferrari, Lotus and their fans are not saying the tires/tyres are crap.  They degrade, yes, but they degrade for everyone the same.  It not the same, by having 2 teams that wear the tires less than others it is shown that car design has a huge impact and that again the dumb kids didn't study hard enough and need some help.  
 

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