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Estoril MotoGP: Rossi and Stoner clash again



http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...1/April/apr2911-rossi-and-stoner-clash-again/

By Matthew Birt - MotoGP





The on-going intense rivalry between Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner continued on and off the track today in Portugal.



Back on track for the first time since Rossi caused a controversial collision with Stoner at the previous round in Jerez, a renewal of their fierce rivalry showed no sign of easing tonight ahead of the third round of the 2011 world championship in Estoril.

Aussie Stoner was riled in practice that factory Ducati rider Rossi was following him to try and improve his lap time.



At one stage, the 2007 world champion was seen gesturing Rossi towards him and the Repsol Honda rider explained: "It was like calling Valentino who was always following me. To find the best lap he was always behind me."



"It's like a dog always following you everywhere so it was like c'mon (whistles), good boy. If he is struggling to do a lap time this is it. We had our problems during the session and we were focussing on this but I also saw he held up Toni Elias a lot to find his lap time so I don't think it is so correct."



Rossi spent the majority of a lengthy media debrief with the Italian media talking about Stoner and he repeated his typically forthright opinions when he faced questions from the international press pack.



The 32-year-old said: "About today, I don’t think Casey likes me a lot. This is quite clear. First it was because I slowed down to catch my breath because I was quite tired and I wanted to make a last lap pushing."



"Stoner passed and I restarted to push. He was in front of me but I wasn't close but this happens in every practice and every race, so if he doesn’t want anybody to follow him then he has to race alone."



Rossi said he had seen Stoner's gesture and he added: “I saw it yes but I expected this. When we are together he always exaggerates everything too much. If I have to make like this in all my career for people that follow me then I break my seat."



For the full story and more on the simmering tension between Rossi and Stoner, see the May 4 issue of MCN.



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I also found another comments by Stoner from Spanish media which is translated to English by motogp.com



Marca: Stoner responds to criticism from Burgess and Rossi



Thursday, 28 April 2011





In a lengthy interview with Spanish sporting daily Marca, Casey Stoner admits he is having one of the best phases in his career to date. The Repsol Honda rider commented that he had been working throughout the winter primarily to get used to the RC212V before development started, and also praised his rivals.



Stoner also responded to criticisms from Jeremy Burgess and Valentino Rossi after their move to Ducati, when “they did not know the real potential of the bike because I had not pushed it to the limit, and other things. Or Jeremy saying that only 18 seconds were needed to adjust the bike because it had a very simple setting. They’ve taken months and months with the bike and haven’t improved it. For me, they have to keep their mouths shut because they have not figured out how to ride this bike.”





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about this part: “they did not know the real potential of the bike because I had not pushed it to the limit" , as far as I remember (but i,m not sure) JB said : Ducati riders Except Stoner. these comments tell me, Stoner has started a fight with Rossi, and he hasn't cooled down yet from the last gp.



But the most strange one for me was this one from yesterday: "To find the best lap he was always behind me. It's like a dog always following you everywhere so it was like c'mon (whistles), good boy. If he is struggling to do a lap time this is it. We had our problems during the session and we were focussing on this but I also saw he held up Toni Elias a lot to find his lap time so I don't think it is so correct.",



What do you think of these comments? Do you think Stoner was right to be upset with Rossi yesterday.

What do you find of his worries for Elias? Did Rossi ruined Elias's lap or was that vice versa, or there was nothing wrong with it at all?



The good thing about this is that we are invited to a new show down between these two.



Will the usual "Ethics masters", i mean the real fans or the sport fans, criticise Stoner for this, like they usually do with Rossi, or will they ignore it or even defend him for this, or will they react like the greatest ethics master of all time (Jumkie) and find it amusing this time?
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Imagine, how many pages had already been written, if Rossi had said this. Imagine how many times people had already imagined about Rossi fans reactions if this was the other way arround.
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there all at it

sounds like some want Privilege

on the track,

they can fook off its a sport & racing



more birtymotogp

Not a lot of love around in MotoGP at moment.

Jorge Lorenzo had a big attack on Simoncelli last night about his aggressive riding



some need testosterone meds me thinks



 
Wah wah wah. Casey isn't saying he loves Valentino ..... wah wah wah





gee the Italian press are being a bit prescious ATM
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rossiofsky said:
Estoril MotoGP: Rossi and Stoner clash again



http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...1/April/apr2911-rossi-and-stoner-clash-again/

By Matthew Birt - MotoGP





The on-going intense rivalry between Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner continued on and off the track today in Portugal.



Back on track for the first time since Rossi caused a controversial collision with Stoner at the previous round in Jerez, a renewal of their fierce rivalry showed no sign of easing tonight ahead of the third round of the 2011 world championship in Estoril.

Aussie Stoner was riled in practice that factory Ducati rider Rossi was following him to try and improve his lap time.



At one stage, the 2007 world champion was seen gesturing Rossi towards him and the Repsol Honda rider explained: "It was like calling Valentino who was always following me. To find the best lap he was always behind me."



"It's like a dog always following you everywhere so it was like c'mon (whistles), good boy. If he is struggling to do a lap time this is it. We had our problems during the session and we were focussing on this but I also saw he held up Toni Elias a lot to find his lap time so I don't think it is so correct."



Rossi spent the majority of a lengthy media debrief with the Italian media talking about Stoner and he repeated his typically forthright opinions when he faced questions from the international press pack.



The 32-year-old said: "About today, I don’t think Casey likes me a lot. This is quite clear. First it was because I slowed down to catch my breath because I was quite tired and I wanted to make a last lap pushing."



"Stoner passed and I restarted to push. He was in front of me but I wasn't close but this happens in every practice and every race, so if he doesn’t want anybody to follow him then he has to race alone."



Rossi said he had seen Stoner's gesture and he added: “I saw it yes but I expected this. When we are together he always exaggerates everything too much. If I have to make like this in all my career for people that follow me then I break my seat."



For the full story and more on the simmering tension between Rossi and Stoner, see the May 4 issue of MCN.



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I also found another comments by Stoner from Spanish media which is translated to English by motogp.com



Marca: Stoner responds to criticism from Burgess and Rossi



Thursday, 28 April 2011





In a lengthy interview with Spanish sporting daily Marca, Casey Stoner admits he is having one of the best phases in his career to date. The Repsol Honda rider commented that he had been working throughout the winter primarily to get used to the RC212V before development started, and also praised his rivals.



Stoner also responded to criticisms from Jeremy Burgess and Valentino Rossi after their move to Ducati, when “they did not know the real potential of the bike because I had not pushed it to the limit, and other things. Or Jeremy saying that only 18 seconds were needed to adjust the bike because it had a very simple setting. They’ve taken months and months with the bike and haven’t improved it. For me, they have to keep their mouths shut because they have not figured out how to ride this bike.”





-------------------------------------------------------------





about this part: “they did not know the real potential of the bike because I had not pushed it to the limit" , as far as I remember (but i,m not sure) JB said : Ducati riders Except Stoner. these comments tell me, Stoner has started a fight with Rossi, and he hasn't cooled down yet from the last gp.



But the most strange one for me was this one from yesterday: "To find the best lap he was always behind me. It's like a dog always following you everywhere so it was like c'mon (whistles), good boy. If he is struggling to do a lap time this is it. We had our problems during the session and we were focussing on this but I also saw he held up Toni Elias a lot to find his lap time so I don't think it is so correct.",



What do you think of these comments? Do you think Stoner was right to be upset with Rossi yesterday.

What do you find of his worries for Elias? Did Rossi ruined Elias's lap or was that vice versa, or there was nothing wrong with it at all?



The good thing about this is that we are invited to a new show down between these two.



Will the usual "Ethics masters", i mean the real fans or the sport fans, criticise Stoner for this, like they usually do with Rossi, or will they ignore it or even defend him for this, or will they react like the greatest ethics master of all time (Jumkie) and find it amusing this time?
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Imagine, how many pages had already been written, if Rossi had said this. Imagine how many times people had already imagined about Rossi fans reactions if this was the other way arround.
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I think we need to put Rossi's comments in pink because he is acting like a little girl. Catching his breath? What a load of crap. It is practice and they do a few laps at a time. He has just had a month off and it is only the first day. You little boppers fall for the lamest .....



Stoner was not upset at all, he is taking the piss out of Rossi. Big difference. He called Rossi his ..... (dog).
 
rossiofsky said:
about this part: “they did not know the real potential of the bike because I had not pushed it to the limit" , as far as I remember (but i,m not sure) JB said : Ducati riders Except Stoner. these comments tell me, Stoner has started a fight with Rossi, and he hasn't cooled down yet from the last gp.
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As Stoner seems to be responding to both JB and Rossi, I'd imagine his response was to Rossi's allegations last season that Stoner was cruising and not pushing the Ducati because he didn't care anymore as he was off to Honda. His response to that allegation, as well as JB's "80 second" remark, has been comical and accurate. He's playing the game. Some don't like it.
 
Stoner also responded to criticisms from Jeremy Burgess and Valentino Rossi after their move to Ducati, when “they did not know the real potential of the bike because I had not pushed it to the limit, and other things. Or Jeremy saying that only 18 seconds were needed to adjust the bike because it had a very simple setting. They’ve taken months and months with the bike and haven’t improved it. For me, they have to keep their mouths shut because they have not figured out how to ride this bike.”
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Fair play is turnabout. Burgess was an ... for saying this and Stoner has every right to rub his nose in it.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
I think we need to put Rossi's comments in pink because he is acting like a little girl. Catching his breath? What a load of crap. It is practice and they do a few laps at a time. He has just had a month off and it is only the first day. You little boppers fall for the lamest .....



Stoner was not upset at all, he is taking the piss out of Rossi. Big difference. He called Rossi his ..... (dog).
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I think i only need to tell you to STFU.

isn't it better to be a bopper than a pathetic Sadomasochist hater?

Actually imo Stoner is farting under pressure at this moment, btw did Rossi again ruined his flying lap at qp3? this time by more than a second
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When you dont dare to criticise your favorite rider, than you better to stfu about other fans.
 
Austin said:
As Stoner seems to be responding to both JB and Rossi, I'd imagine his response was to Rossi's allegations last season that Stoner was cruising and not pushing the Ducati because he didn't care anymore as he was off to Honda. His response to that allegation, as well as JB's "80 second" remark, has been comical and accurate. He's playing the game. Some don't like it.
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I see some are already gone in a defence mode, instead of commenting about the things that were mentioned.

At least you have commented about the subject. Yes indeed JB was wrong to say he or they will fix it in 80 seconds, but what about the other part, did Rossi do anything to Stoner and Elias yesterday?

I may dislike his words, but i will like the outcome, even if it turns in Stoner's favor, what i dont like is to have a dubble standard, I know of myself that i have criticised Rossi for some of his remarks about both Lorenzo and Stoner, and at the same time i found them a good thing for fans.
 
rossiofsky said:
I think i only need to tell you to STFU.

isn't it better to be a bopper than a pathetic Sadomasochist hater?

Actually imo Stoner is farting under pressure at this moment, btw did Rossi again ruined his flying lap at qp3? this time by more than a second
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When you dont dare to criticise your favorite rider, than you better to stfu about other fans.
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Touch a nerve hey?



Interesting use of the word sadomasochistic. Getting a little emotional are we?



Sounds like you did not watch FP3 and are just looking at times. Did you know that Stoners time was set on a wet track with full wets and Rossi's was on a drying track with slicks? Rossi was nearly a second slower than Stoner when both playing in the same conditions. Rossi must be proud to have been a second quicker on slicks than Stoner on wets. I bet he was pleased for Loris who was nearly 2 seconds faster than him on a satellite bike. Yeah Rossi must be pumped he is nailing it!



Try brings some facts to an argument occasionally because standing their with your schlong in your hand must be embarrassing.
 
rossiofsky said:
I think i only need to tell you to STFU.

isn't it better to be a bopper than a pathetic Sadomasochist hater?

Actually imo Stoner is farting under pressure at this moment, btw did Rossi again ruined his flying lap at qp3? this time by more than a second
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When you dont dare to criticise your favorite rider, than you better to stfu about other fans.
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I think you may be taking the meaning of the word schadenfreude a little too close to the dictionary definition, particularly if you looked it up in german.



Sounds like rossi is being precious to me . He has trashtalked other riders his whole career, and the basis of his/his fans complaint seems to be that stoner is being rude to him; stoner might still (correctly in my view), consider being taken out at jerez to be a somewhat greater cause for offence.



As someone else said, the reaction from rossi is unusual, and speaks of some insecurity, god knows why; everyone acknowledges his record speaks for itself, but he is now referring to it in his contretemps with stoner, which I am not aware of him ever doing before. His talent is for one liners, often pithy and witty, but no less barbed for that, and I don't see that stoner is being any nastier than rossi has been in the past, particularly since he has reasonable justification for being peeved with rossi at the moment.
 
Burgess never claimed to fix the Ducati in 80 seconds.



" I can watch some of these lesser riders on the Ducatis and you can see that the bikes are, in my opinion, unsuitably set for what they want to try and do with them. I’m not saying anybody’s doing a bad job. I see these things wobbling around. When I think, clearly, if we had that issue with Valentino it’d be fixed in 80 seconds, but some riders don’t like the hardness of the bike, because they don’t get the feel. But then when they’re riding around and it’s too soft they’re not going forward either. So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness"
 
Mental Anarchist said:
Touch a nerve hey?



Interesting use of the word sadomasochistic. Getting a little emotional are we?



Sounds like you did not watch FP3 and are just looking at times. Did you know that Stoners time was set on a wet track with full wets and Rossi's was on a drying track with slicks? Rossi was nearly a second slower than Stoner when both playing in the same conditions. Rossi must be proud to have been a second quicker on slicks than Stoner on wets. I bet he was pleased for Loris who was nearly 2 seconds faster than him on a satellite bike. Yeah Rossi must be pumped he is nailing it!



Try brings some facts to an argument occasionally because standing their with your schlong in your hand must be embarrassing.
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Getting a little emotional? Who me or you? who are you trying to fool?

You cant start name calling and at the same time expect to be respected for that. You went on to attack me and other Rossi fans for no reason, without bringing any facts to this discussion.



The fact is that you started your first comment with bs, and you are only mad that i have made a thread about this, while i asked my questions in a polite manner, but you still found it disrespecting to you. So far i have read a lot of hate speeches from you about Rossi, and Never have reacted to Any of it, and you couldn't read a simple criticise and comment from me. That alone tells me what kind of a Real fan you are.



We all watched the pictures of qp2, and based on those same pictures Stoners found out that Rossi had even ruined Elias's lap. and that Rossi is always waiting on a tow from Stoner, while we all know that Stoner wasn't that shy to mention this earlier, like he did that with Barbara and Elias.

Did Stoner make it up yesterday, or he and Elias were indeed impeded by Rossi? Feel free to reply or criticise on my comments, but expect the same thing from me if you start with name calling or insulting.
 
RCV600RR said:
Burgess never claimed to fix the Ducati in 80 seconds.



" I can watch some of these lesser riders on the Ducatis and you can see that the bikes are, in my opinion, unsuitably set for what they want to try and do with them. I’m not saying anybody’s doing a bad job. I see these things wobbling around. When I think, clearly, if we had that issue with Valentino it’d be fixed in 80 seconds, but some riders don’t like the hardness of the bike, because they don’t get the feel. But then when they’re riding around and it’s too soft they’re not going forward either. So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness"
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Please see rootsman; sarcasm one suspects.
 
rossiofsky said:
I see some are already gone in a defence mode, instead of commenting about the things that were mentioned.

At least you have commented about the subject. Yes indeed JB was wrong to say he or they will fix it in 80 seconds, but what about the other part, did Rossi do anything to Stoner and Elias yesterday?

I may dislike his words, but i will like the outcome, even if it turns in Stoner's favor, what i dont like is to have a dubble standard, I know of myself that i have criticised Rossi for some of his remarks about both Lorenzo and Stoner, and at the same time i found them a good thing for fans.
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No, Rossi didn't do anything out of the ordinary to Stoner. Stoner thinks he was following lines or getting a tow, I'm not sure of either. It's close enough to have a debate about, but no one outside of Rossi knows for sure and he's got his story.



But it's not as if Rossi has been Mr. Polite to Stoner. As I recall, the comments about Stoner cruising on the Ducati because he had sewn up his Honda ride came out of nowhere and frankly, were none of his business. Like others have said, Rossi is no stranger to picking fights. It's just not as pleasurable for him when someone starts picking on him.
 
michaelm said:
I think you may be taking the meaning of the word schadenfreude a little too close to the dictionary definition, particularly if you looked it up in german.



Sounds like rossi is being precious to me . He has trashtalked other riders his whole career, and the basis of his/his fans complaint seems to be that stoner is being rude to him; stoner might still (correctly in my view), consider being taken out at jerez to be a somewhat greater cause for offence.



As someone else said, the reaction from rossi is unusual, and speaks of some insecurity, god knows why; everyone acknowledges his record speaks for itself, but he is now referring to it in his contretemps with stoner, which I am not aware of him ever doing before. His talent is for one liners, often pithy and witty, but no less barbed for that, and I don't see that stoner is being any nastier than rossi has been in the past, particularly since he has reasonable justification for being peeved with rossi at the moment.
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I dont know what your trying to tell me with your first sentence. forgive my english. I know what the word means (after checking it in dic) but i don't understand what you meant by it.



First of all, as it's usual in here for some people, to jump and criticise Rossi whenever there are the slightest chances. and now seeing no one likes to talk about this except Rossi fans, then this shows me that all or most of us have selective memory, and easily ignore the faults of our favorites.



I wont deny that Rossi is the nr 1 in bs department, but i have to say Stoner isn't that far from him now, since the end of last season, even Lorenzo has started the game, there haven't been water for them yet, otherwise theyr also good swimmers.



again like some in last few weeks have begun with imagining this and that, i should say, imagine how many more of these kind of comments we would have heard from Stoner and Lorenzo, if they had 5 more years in motogp and a few more titles and fans. or another one, imagine what Stoner would have said if Rossi had done to him what Elias did to Rossi on his last lap yesterday.





Do you mean because Rossi is a bigger target and has said more bs than Stoner so far, we dont have to pay attention or criticise Stoner for his comments? Or do you think if you criticise him, your crediting Rossi or his fans?

Finally what did you find of the situation? Did Rossi impeded Stoner or Elias in any way. I think Stoner was waiting for any situation to make some complaints against Rossi.
 
Austin said:
No, Rossi didn't do anything out of the ordinary to Stoner. Stoner thinks he was following lines or getting a tow, I'm not sure of either. It's close enough to have a debate about, but no one outside of Rossi knows for sure and he's got his story.



But it's not as if Rossi has been Mr. Polite to Stoner. As I recall, the comments about Stoner cruising on the Ducati because he had sewn up his Honda ride came out of nowhere and frankly, were none of his business. Like others have said, Rossi is no stranger to picking fights. It's just not as pleasurable for him when someone starts picking on him.
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Well said, on both things.

I think he maybe was distracted by knowing that Rossi was behind him.
 
RCV600RR said:
Burgess never claimed to fix the Ducati in 80 seconds.



" I can watch some of these lesser riders on the Ducatis and you can see that the bikes are, in my opinion, unsuitably set for what they want to try and do with them. I’m not saying anybody’s doing a bad job. I see these things wobbling around. When I think, clearly, if we had that issue with Valentino it’d be fixed in 80 seconds, but some riders don’t like the hardness of the bike, because they don’t get the feel. But then when they’re riding around and it’s too soft they’re not going forward either. So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness"
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RCV, we had this debate already. You lost, remember?
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