Edwards Tops Day 1 In Sepang!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Me too Locks. One of two things would happen, we'd all end up in fist a cuffs or have a great laugh and go off into the sunset on our bikes....I'd hope the ladder. (Open invitation to everybody (except_________) to come down to Cali for the Laguna Race. My pad, free room, board, and beer.


Do you get cider in Cali?

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Me too Locks. One of two things would happen, we'd all end up in fist a cuffs or have a great laugh and go off into the sunset on our bikes....I'd hope the ladder. (Open invitation to everybody (except_________) to come down to Cali for the Laguna Race. My pad, free room, board, and beer.
Hey man, I'm in the Embassy Suites, but I'll have that beer with you. .........and if no-one turns up except us, i'll fight ya myself just for the sheer bloody hell of it!!!!! I'm only little, and if you can take the guilt, I can take the beating, so long as it's in the name of sport!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 6 2007, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you get cider in Cali?

Pete
Is it called the Apple State!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Feb 6 2007, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey man, I'm in the Embassy Suites, but I'll have that beer with you. .........and if no-one turns up except us, i'll fight ya myself just for the sheer bloody hell of it!!!!! I'm only little, and if you can take the guilt, I can take the beating, so long as it's in the name of sport!
Is it called the Apple State!!!!!


I've been in quite a few states after cider....

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 6 2007, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been in quite a few states after cider....

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Feb 6 2007, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey man, I'm in the Embassy Suites, but I'll have that beer with you. .........and if no-one turns up except us, i'll fight ya myself just for the sheer bloody hell of it!!!!! I'm only little, and if you can take the guilt, I can take the beating, so long as it's in the name of sport!
Is it called the Apple State!!!!!
Yeah, maybe the fight is a way of taking out my frustrations for all those sleepless nights you are tormenting me with your ....... mind-boggling competition. I stay about a 15min drive from Seaside near the beach at Marina Dunes. I'll see you there with a fresh bottle of Tequila and an Italian flag in my back pocket just in case...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, maybe the fight is a way of taking out my frustrations for all those sleepless nights you are tormenting me with your ....... mind-boggling competition. I stay about a 15min drive from Seaside near the beach at Marina Dunes. I'll see you there with a fresh bottle of Tequila and an Italian flag in my back pocket just in case...

If you think it's hurting you, what the hell do you think it's doing to me!
I'll be easy to find, I'm the sunburnt artist painting opposite the Honda stand near turn 2! See you there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Feb 6 2007, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is obviously tied into the debate about team orders, but even if you do give in to team orders, you don't go openly talking about how you didn't want to win. That comes over very wrongly in my opinion.

Like: “Pedrosa responds, pledges full Hayden support”…

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Pedrosa-r...6~id~139340.htm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Feb 6 2007, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its been taken off youtube now, but after Estoril someone put up the interviews with Edwards, Pedrosa and Hayden. Edwards interview was something like this, although obviously I don't remember the exact words:
"I was holding off Kenny and Toni waiting for Valentino to build up a lead on us, waiting for him to get far in front. I kept thinking "come on Valentino, go faster" and I realised at some point that he couldn't go fast enough to get away from us"

This is what Eduards said:

"I got a decent start and just tried to help Valentino out, holding the other guys up where I could because in practice our pace was around the 1min 37.9secs mark so I thought if I could hold it at 1min 38.5secs he might be able get away," confirmed Colin. "My plan was to put the hammer down once he'd gone and hopefully shake off the rest of the guys to seal up second place but Valentino couldn't quite match his practice pace and we were just hanging behind him."

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Title-glo...6~id~139043.htm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh Rog, I see as usual you fail to see my point. I think its more because of your rossie colored glasses than anything else. Do you expect me to believe that you don’t know what “implication” means. Its amazing how many time you and others have used the tactic of saying “I didn’t say that;” when clearly you imply it indirectly. So let me spell it out for you. My point, that you missed, is that you come on this thread, see Colin at the top, then you down play it by saying a variation of you are not impressed, or as you said, you’re not “going to read to much into that...” But I didn’t see you crawling on to the thread where Rossi topped the chart and go on saying something to the effect of down playing his performance. I guess you just don’t see the double standard, and me pointing it out to you isn’t going to help as you dispel it with me being up to tricks.

Here are some of the comments you were unwilling to downplay, (they have been kept anonymous to protect the innocent). Notice how there is a real <u>lack of enthusiasm</u> (being sarcastic in case you miss it). Where was Rog as the voice of reason to say, well “not going to read to much into that.”?

<u>Comments in response to Rossi toping the “test” day:</u>


“Hmmm........Rossi means business.
Let the mind games begin!”

“looks he baaack with an attitude. GO!!!!!!! ROSSI.”

“All hail the great omnipitant one.
The great and powerfull OZ.”

“It looks as though the stars are back in alignment. All is well and proper in the universe. Rossi lives!!”

“YESSSS! X”
Tell me something, are these tricks, is this spin??? Do you even know what "spin" means?

If there has ever been a textbook, dictionary definition, or poster picture example of what “spin” is; the following statement would be on it: “not going to read to much into that"...

This sounds very much as a company line of political speak.

Is it possible to be anymore of a spindoctor?


i never read to much in to test times regardless of whos testing wherever.

so its not what ive said but more what i havnt said...ooook. guilty i suppose,if your going to spin it that way.

Spin

In public relations, spin is a sometimes pejorative term signifying a heavily biased portrayal in one's own favor of an event or situation. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often, though not always, implies disingenuous, deceptive and/or highly manipulative tactics. Politicians are often accused of spin by commentators and political opponents, when they produce a counter argument or position.

Spin doctor

Skilled practitioners of spin are sometimes called "spin doctors", though probably not to their faces unless it is said facetiously. It is the PR equivalent of calling a writer a "hack". Perhaps the most well-known person in the UK often described as a "spin doctor" is Alastair Campbell, who was involved with Tony Blair's public relations between 1994 and 2003, and also played a controversial role as press relations officer to the British and Irish Lions rugby side during their 2005 tour of New Zealand.

i think the shoe fits perfectly mate.

I wouldn't be calling this a double standard really. Everyone knows testing is testing and racing is different. I think its totally natural to get excited when your man goes fastest.

Its just testing, but i grinned all day when Hayden topped PI

Good to see Edwards top the sheets on day 1. Rossi is there on day 2 with 2.02.099. Edwards was a close 2nd with a best of 2.02.118.

Still It is only testing as people have pointed out. I remember last year when Colin Edwards topped the results at the offical motogp test and won the BMW. Really he was never in contention for the title.

Well only 5 days to go to the Offical Qatar test, lets see who is on top and then wait for the 1st race of the season. That should sort the men out from the boys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mark S @ Feb 7 2007, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well only 5 days to go to the Offical Qatar test, lets see who is on top and then wait for the 1st race of the season.
don't forget the official test at jerez. last test. the bmw for fastest lap. should be broadcast like last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Ooost. I'm not so sure it is fair to say it was a matter of him intently keeping his job by said actions. I believe the guy has integrity. And his willingness to help his teammate in the last push for the championship was more a matter of common sense and professionalism rather than a career move.
But it wasn't just towards the end, he was doing it all season! What makes for better racing, Pedrosa and Hayden, or Rossi and Edwards? I know in my case I'd feel like a sell-out if I knowingly moved over to let someone through.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Oh, and are we forgetting the name of this thread?
I didn't say Edwards was a bad rider! He is capable of beating Pitt on an Ilmor, Tamada on tyres he's never been on, Guintoli, Jacque and De Puniet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Like: “Pedrosa responds, pledges full Hayden support”…
Last race of the season is something else. I still don't agree with him doing it, but I understand the decision. Edwards was purposefully playing second fiddle all season. And you can say that he is the second rider, but last year both Dani and Nicky won races, ditto Marco and Toni.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>This is what Edwards said:
Ok, thats what I said. He was trying to hold everyone off to let Rossi open up a gap, and he was aiming for second from the off. I'm sorry, but when I race, I race to win, if I don't, I wasted a kart by turning up. If you're not racing to win, don't race. But again, had it been a one off, I would have been more sympathetic.


And whoever it was (Richo?) who said that he was doing it to keep his ride for next season so that he could fight this season.... He'll spend this season saving his ride for next season so that he can fight then, and then spend that season saving his ride etc....? At some point you've gotta fight for yourself, not for everyone around you.

Edwards has always done ok in testing..He just loses something when race time comes.

Secondly...Anyone know why Edwards forum closed down?

<u>Ilmore Test</u>

Following the success of the recent test in Almeria, Ilmor GP continued their testing schedule at Sepang in Malaysia.

While engine calibration was the main aim of the test the team also undertook an important tyre test with new supplier Michelin.

Over the three days Andrew Pitt, the only Ilmor rider present at the test as his team-mate Jeremy McWilliams is out through injury, accumulated a total of 166 laps of the 5.54k Malaysian track. The test in Sepang has left the team with a huge amount of data to be analysed ahead of the test in Qatar and whilst everyone remains realistic, Ilmor GP are hopeful that further progress will be made at the Middle Eastern circuit.

McWilliams is undergoing extensive physiotherapy and a rigorous training schedule in order to be ready to join the team at the test in Qatar later this month.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 7 2007, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spin

In public relations, spin is a sometimes pejorative term signifying a heavily biased portrayal in one's own favor of an event or situation. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often, though not always, implies disingenuous, deceptive and/or highly manipulative tactics. Politicians are often accused of spin by commentators and political opponents, when they produce a counter argument or position.

Spin doctor

Skilled practitioners of spin are sometimes called "spin doctors", though probably not to their faces unless it is said facetiously. It is the PR equivalent of calling a writer a "hack". Perhaps the most well-known person in the UK often described as a "spin doctor" is Alastair Campbell, who was involved with Tony Blair's public relations between 1994 and 2003, and also played a controversial role as press relations officer to the British and Irish Lions rugby side during their 2005 tour of New Zealand.

i think the shoe fits perfectly mate.
You forgot to post your picture next to the definitions you Googled.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 7 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You forgot to post your picture next to the definitions you Googled.
oh yes so i did,so sorry, here you go,

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Feb 7 2007, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But it wasn't just towards the end, he was doing it all season! What makes for better racing, Pedrosa and Hayden, or Rossi and Edwards? I know in my case I'd feel like a sell-out if I knowingly moved over to let someone through.
I didn't say Edwards was a bad rider! He is capable of beating Pitt on an Ilmor, Tamada on tyres he's never been on, Guintoli, Jacque and De Puniet.
Last race of the season is something else. I still don't agree with him doing it, but I understand the decision. Edwards was purposefully playing second fiddle all season. And you can say that he is the second rider, but last year both Dani and Nicky won races, ditto Marco and Toni.
Ok, thats what I said. He was trying to hold everyone off to let Rossi open up a gap, and he was aiming for second from the off. I'm sorry, but when I race, I race to win, if I don't, I wasted a kart by turning up. If you're not racing to win, don't race. But again, had it been a one off, I would have been more sympathetic.
And whoever it was (Richo?) who said that he was doing it to keep his ride for next season so that he could fight this season.... He'll spend this season saving his ride for next season so that he can fight then, and then spend that season saving his ride etc....? At some point you've gotta fight for yourself, not for everyone around you.

That is exactly what some of us do not like about “Consistency”, settle for 3 th and 4th consistently, a couple of 2 th and 1st and not “going always for the win”…

It is nothing personal, but like you said “I'm sorry, but when I race, I race to win, if I don't, I wasted a kart by turning up. If you're not racing to win, don't race. But again, had it been a one off, I would have been more sympathetic”…

Wasn’t that the difference between Senna and Prost?


Anyway, I guess here we go again… I suppose it won’t stop till march 10… So Pedrosa helping Hayden is understandable as “not selling out” for being the last race, but Eduards whole season of “not going for the win” and helping his team is bad, even though Hayden “not going for the win” most of the year is right?


I rest my case!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 8 2007, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is exactly what some of us do not like about “Consistency”, settle for 3 th and 4th consistently, a couple of 2 th and 1st and not “going always for the win”…

It is nothing personal, but like you said “I'm sorry, but when I race, I race to win, if I don't, I wasted a kart by turning up. If you're not racing to win, don't race. But again, had it been a one off, I would have been more sympathetic”…

Wasn’t that the difference between Senna and Prost?


Anyway, I guess here we go again… I suppose it won’t stop till march 10… So Pedrosa helping Hayden is understandable as “not selling out” for being the last race, but Eduards whole season of “not going for the win” and helping his team is bad, even though Hayden “not going for the win” most of the year is right?


I rest my case!


I think Edward wasn't behind Rossi on purpose for the entire season. I think he simply wasn't fast enough to be at the front. His helping out towards the end is understandable but i am not keen on the attitude. Not that it matters because Elias and KRJR got through anyway. I don't think Pedrosas assistance in Valencia was an issue because Hayden was coming through no matter how small or large the gap would have been. But had Pedrosa pulled over from the lead to let Hayden through i would have been hugely dissapointed.

Also, Hayden's consistent performances cannot be compared to obeying team orders, he is actually going for the win every weekend, he is just smart enough to stop when he reaches his limit. The problem with the Edwards thing is that he rode below his potential for the sake of another rider, thats not racing.

Seems that these endless argument (a least until March 10) is in two posts… wouldn’t you people like to join it in only one post?

From: <u>Who's going to be the suprise race winner in 07 </u>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Feb 6 2007, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden's "advantage" ended in 2005. Read into any rookie's quotes, the first thing anyone will mention about the front running riders in MotoGP is their ability to instantly go fast. If Rossi and co. didn't have it figured out by the end of the race in 2005, they did by 2006.


Ok, I get that, but then Hayden’s “not having European and Asian ‘track knowledge’ and ‘not always going for the win’” could seem as and excuse since 2004 or 2005 tops, would it?