Edwards Tops Day 1 In Sepang!

The Ilmor looks like a great bike....... Not! Check out those pitiful times. I can see that bike getting lapped a few times this year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's funny. I distinctly remember the tone of the thread when Rossi was at the top as being so much more important. Hell it even seemed some were ready to crown him the 07 champ. But Colin at the top, and we are "not going read too much into" it. uhm?

The thing is I agree with you, but I also agree this should have been the tone in the other thread where people were saying Rossi “dominated” the test.

Colins starting off the mind games too

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's funny. I distinctly remember the tone of the thread when Rossi was at the top as being so much more important. Hell it even seemed some were ready to crown him the 07 champ. But Colin at the top, and we are "not going read too much into" it. uhm?

The thing is I agree with you, but I also agree this should have been the tone in the other thread where people were saying Rossi “dominated” the test.
i see your up to your tricks again spindoctor, yes i said not to read to much into these test times ,but where have i ever said anything other than that regardless of who is at the top.
nice try mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 6 2007, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i see your up to your tricks again spindoctor, yes i said not to read to much into these test times ,but where have i ever said anything other than that regardless of who is at the top.
nice try mate


Who remembers a few years back when Gibernau's race pace was something like 20 secs faster than Rossi at the last pre season test? The first race of the year and Vale cleared off making Sete look a bit secondhand.

It's all hypothetical until the flag drops at the first race, testing is about testing, not showing your hand. I dont think many people want to show what they have up their sleeve too soon.

As for folks getting excited about Rossi topping the timetables? A lot of folks are predicting a big fight back this year, so are getting excited about it!

The thing that interests me about pre season testing is, why does the same name always pop up in fourth place? Apart from this test (where he was absent) how the hell does the guy always get the same spot?!?!

Pete

I agree with Jumkie. Colin isn't the kinda guy who would lie down to be someone else's ..... easily. But what choice does he have? Be Rossi's teammate, or face the boot. And who would hire him if Yamaha kicked him off? So does he say,"well, I can keep my job if I help Rossi out a bit, after all there's a championship at stake here" or "Screw it, I'm a man, I'm goin' for the win! I don't care how much of a stupid, career suicide move it is, it will prove how cool I am!" There's a saying that goes, "sometimes you gotta shovel .... before you can feed it to someone". Colin does what he has to do for his career's sake. Or should he throw it all in just to prove that he's nobody's .....?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Feb 6 2007, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Jumkie. Colin isn't the kinda guy who would lie down to be someone else's ..... easily. But what choice does he have? Be Rossi's teammate, or face the boot. And who would hire him if Yamaha kicked him off? So does he say,"well, I can keep my job if I help Rossi out a bit, after all there's a championship at stake here" or "Screw it, I'm a man, I'm goin' for the win! I don't care how much of a stupid, career suicide move it is, it will prove how cool I am!" There's a saying that goes, "sometimes you gotta shovel .... before you can feed it to someone". Colin does what he has to do for his career's sake. Or should he throw it all in just to prove that he's nobody's .....?


Exactly, better to be at Yamaha as no 2 than nowhere as no 1.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Keep in mind, it takes certain characteristics to become a champ and it took a lot for him to swallow his pride and put himself out there for his teammate. But I’m not ready to count him out.

Bravo!

Richo, if Colin is as good as people say, and I have no reason to believe he isn't, then he should be good enough to take a few race wins this season. People who win races do not get kicked out. I'm sure Yamaha would rather have two title challengers than one.

Its been taken off youtube now, but after Estoril someone put up the interviews with Edwards, Pedrosa and Hayden. Edwards interview was something like this, although obviously I don't remember the exact words:
"I was holding off Kenny and Toni waiting for Valentino to build up a lead on us, waiting for him to get far in front. I kept thinking "come on Valentino, go faster" and I realised at some point that he couldn't go fast enough to get away from us"
This is obviously tied into the debate about team orders, but even if you do give in to team orders, you don't go openly talking about how you didn't want to win. That comes over very wrongly in my opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Feb 5 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've never seen him race for himself yet. Last time he did was Assen, and even that was because Rossi DNF.
rossi finished 8th? at assen.

My mistake Frosty, I meant that he was out of the running for the win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Feb 6 2007, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My mistake Frosty, I meant that he was out of the running for the win.no worries IR

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Feb 6 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is obviously tied into the debate about team orders, but even if you do give in to team orders, you don't go openly talking about how you didn't want to win. That comes over very wrongly in my opinion.How can you say he didn't "want" to win, I don't see that at all. But at that stage of the season what was the point in pushing it, look what happened to Pedrosa at Estoril when he set out to prove himself.

I guess there is a fine line between letting the team know you are competitive & looking like a .........

I think if arider wants to win he needs to be the fastest, bottom line. I just don't agree with team orders further than giving your team mate a bit of extra room if the stakes are high, but nothing more.

Oh Jumkie, always a fun read. Looking to wind up all the disciples?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Feb 6 2007, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can you say he didn't "want" to win, I don't see that at all. But at that stage of the season what was the point in pushing it, look what happened to Pedrosa at Estoril when he set out to prove himself.

I guess there is a fine line between letting the team know you are competitive & looking like a .........
It wasn't a question of whether or not he had the pace or whether or not he was willing to push possibly over the limit and risk a fall. At that point in the season Edwards was more or less nowhere. What did he have to lose? The fact his he is Rossi's teammate under the Yamaha tent. Had he passed Rossi and beaten him in that race, he would have been out of a job in 2007 and very likely Valencia 2006 as well.

Well you kinda answered your own question there, he had his ride to lose. So he did what was asked of him & gets another crack at it this year. Where was he going to go anyway if he did try it on? Right outta GP's all together. I can't see anyone else signing him. It would be kind of equal to Biaggi bitching his way out of a ride.

Love the avatar by the way, "The Kentucky Doctor"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Feb 6 2007, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Had he passed Rossi and beaten him in that race, he would have been out of a job in 2007 and very likely Valencia 2006 as well.
Hi Ooost. I'm not so sure it is fair to say it was a matter of him intently keeping his job by said actions. I believe the guy has integrity. And his willingness to help his teammate in the last push for the championship was more a matter of common sense and professionalism rather than a career move.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 6 2007, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe the guy has integrity. And his willingness to help his teammate in the last push for the championship was more a matter of common sense and professionalism rather than a career move.
Absolutely.
Is it not fair to say Colin has seen it all, done it all. He's not a hot headed kid, and he seems happy with the situation. I wonder who else would be suitable as a team mate for Valentino, as they would naturally take on the No.2 role? It's a little unfair to claim this rider is 'lacking in ambition', maybe fairer to say 'doing a solid professional job'.

Oh, and are we forgetting the name of this thread?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 6 2007, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i see your up to your tricks again spindoctor, yes i said not to read to much into these test times ,but where have i ever said anything other than that regardless of who is at the top.
nice try mate

Oh Rog, I see as usual you fail to see my point. I think its more because of your rossie colored glasses than anything else. Do you expect me to believe that you don’t know what “implication” means. Its amazing how many time you and others have used the tactic of saying “I didn’t say that;” when clearly you imply it indirectly. So let me spell it out for you. My point, that you missed, is that you come on this thread, see Colin at the top, then you down play it by saying a variation of you are not impressed, or as you said, you’re not “going to read to much into that...” But I didn’t see you crawling on to the thread where Rossi topped the chart and go on saying something to the effect of down playing his performance. I guess you just don’t see the double standard, and me pointing it out to you isn’t going to help as you dispel it with me being up to tricks.

Here are some of the comments you were unwilling to downplay, (they have been kept anonymous to protect the innocent). Notice how there is a real <u>lack of enthusiasm</u> (being sarcastic in case you miss it). Where was Rog as the voice of reason to say, well “not going to read to much into that.”?

<u>Comments in response to Rossi toping the “test” day:</u>


“Hmmm........Rossi means business.
Let the mind games begin!”

“looks he baaack with an attitude. GO!!!!!!! ROSSI.”

“All hail the great omnipitant one.
The great and powerfull OZ.”

“It looks as though the stars are back in alignment. All is well and proper in the universe. Rossi lives!!”

“YESSSS! X”


Tell me something, are these tricks, is this spin??? Do you even know what "spin" means?

If there has ever been a textbook, dictionary definition, or poster picture example of what “spin” is; the following statement would be on it: “not going to read to much into that"...

This sounds very much as a company line of political speak.

Is it possible to be anymore of a spindoctor?

god i've missed this

i'd love to get us all around a table with a few beers - it would be great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Feb 6 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>god i've missed this

i'd love to get us all around a table with a few beers - it would be great.
Me too Locks. One of two things would happen, we'd all end up in fist a cuffs or have a great laugh and go off into the sunset on our bikes....I'd hope the ladder. (Open invitation to everybody (except_________) to come down to Cali for the Laguna Race. My pad, free room, board, and beer.