Ducati To Switch To Michelin

i will say one thing if stoner uses michelins sticky's to qualify then he will get pole evey race lol... i think it is a bad idea im sure the ducati would shread michelin rubber during a race... unless.... the gp9 with its carbon frame are alot easier on the tyre?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 28 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Guys

One thing that makes me laugh is Michelin have been winning Tittles for years and years and
None of the teams would even consider giving the Stones a chance, now that they are the tyres
to be on, (Thanks to Ducati) Bridgestone to me dont seem to give a .... ABOUT DUCATI.

Certain CRY BABIES have now got there way and are on the Stones as well, and it looks like the JAP Teams are getting the good stuff, where as Ducati arnt getting the good stuff anyone can see that.
It makes sence for the Jap Teams and Bridgestone to want Jap Tyres, on a Jap bike, winning the tittle. I think its Bridgestone who are forgetting how they got there... Loyolty means alot to me and Bridgestone aint got any at all..

Anyway on the plus side, i think Livio Suppo is a GENIUS what a move this would be, wait for the CRY BABIES to commit to the Stones then swap over the Michelin..
It makes alot of sence to me, think of how Ducati know all about Bridgestones Compounds the 07 tyres, think how Michelin would love a little pay back for the way they have been treated as well.
To me the worry is that Casey may have trouble on Michelin tyres think 06? but when i think of this in 06 Casey was on a 4th string Satelite Honda team, and if i remember in 06 at the start he was getting tyres, till he started on Pole at Qatar and nearly won in Turkey, 06 went down hill reall quick after that. I think also if it does happen Ducati will be there number 1 focus and Michelin arnt far off the mark at the moment, so i think they will work closely with Casey to make him happy.
Remeber when Casey getting good Michelin tyres in 06 he did well..

I hope this happens and Michelin/Ducati kick some serious ... with Stoner/Hayden that would be sweet, then you watch all the CRY BABIES Riders Teams want Michelin again.
Just off track here a bit, another thing that gets to me is Honda/Yamaha cant Beat Ducati in a straight Fight so they take there tyres cos they cant BUILD A DECENT Engine as well. The Japs really piss me off hey, heres a small Italian Team with less then Half The Budget and they cant beat them, so they go about it in other ways i hope the new Frame in the GP09 with Michelin are unbeatable next year, then this time next year we will be talking a bout a NEW Michelin Control Tyre, then when that happens mabe Bridgestone will regret the day they ...... OVER THAT SAMLL ITALIAN TEAM.

27,

You know how I disagreed with you in an earlier post. This time you have me 100%.

Bridgestone had won SFA until Casey, and then when he won it was all about the tyres right?

I just don’t know why anyone else didn’t win (CONSISTENTLY) on the tyres if they were so dominant, same as the bike and so on and so forth.

If Casey wasn’t there then it would have been Michelin 1 & 2 (Pedro and Rossi) and I wonder would anyone have considered changing tyres then? Would Rossi or Pedro have changed on the basis of John Hopkins results?

So the next one is, what happens if Casey wins on Michelin, or has a season like 2007?

This is beginning to look like a cartoon.

You people need some help.

At the end of 2007 what major things happened? Rossi to Bridgestones was what everyone was focused on, but what REALLY happened?

I'll tell you what really happened. Herve Poncharal was about to be out of motogp. He had no talent to ride for him, no equipment, and no tires. Within a few days he had Edwards and Toseland (both 2x WSBK champs from big markets), factory Yamaha equipment with pneumatic valves to follow, and shiny new Michelins for Edwards to test.

Who is Herve Poncharal? Head of IRTA and a major component of the IRTA swing vote Ezy needs to gain control of the sport.

What was happening after Qatar and up until LeMans (at China in particular)? Racing. But what was really happening? Dorna officials were walking around with stacks of paper. They were monitoring cornering telemetry. Nearly everyone on the grid was being forced to run the same tires and everyone was pulling about 2g's in the corners. Stoner was 10 seconds slower as a result.

How many times does Ezy have to go to the press and say the tire war is going to get somebody killed before people start believing the tire war is in essence over? The sport has always been faster and faster then they tried to make it slower wit the 800s. There is a fundamental change in beliefs of the MSMA, the FIM, and DORNA. None of the parties involved actually want more major changes to the rules and each one of them has a different concern that needs to be met for the sport to continue

The FIM want motogp to appear different than WSBK. If anything the flirtation with a tire rule and Ezy's outburst at the 600cc GP class technical meeting shows the two are actually becoming quite similar. The MSMA want to be able to build machines that go faster and they want custom tires so they don't have to adjust the bike to suit the tire. DORNA wants the cornerspeeds down because they can't keep modifying tracks and spending money on airfences. None of them can afford another on track death either. Lateral acceleration limits appease all parties involved they are difficult to detect by the press and the fans; especially if there are more changes for next season. Like a liter of fuel. I really have no idea about that by the way. Cornering acceleration limits are also undetectable by Flamini group. They seem to be after Ezy a lot these days.

So what is happening in 2009? Here's what I think.

During the China broadcast on Eurosport Moody and Ryder revealed that everyone was running the same rubber and nearly all of them were hitting about 2g in the corners.

What happened at the beginning of this year is the rule. Build whatever you want according to the existing specs (there are probably a few more now). Accelerometer max telemetry reading are going to monitored by the governing body and provided to the teams. Don't exceed 2g. Qualis will probably be 2.2 or something like that. Fines will be assessed for teams that decide to go over.

This year I think the ban was lifted LeMans but who knows. The day after the race Stoner got a new 800cc version of the old 990 tire and he said it had unbelievable grip. New compounds capable of pulling substantially higher cornering g's would certainly explain his reaction. It also explains how DeAngelis went from a back marking squid to fastest in Mugello WUP. It would certainly explain how he went from last into turn 1, to fourth place and rapidly gaining on the Bot. Nice work Ezy.

Also somebody said they should ban handbuilt specials. Does anyone remember the Weber interview on motogp.com? Michelin need to build tires with harder compounds that were built to withstand the left or right turns of a track. When has tire technology ever developed harder tires that suit the number of left or right turns? It's always been softer tires that are built to suit the number of left and right turns. Hand-builts with 90 different compound zones are gone I think. They went out the window with the 990s. How many people binned it at Assen on the left hand side b/c they couldn't get heat? I can think of 4; 2 were badly injured. To me, Assen suggests that both sides of everyone's tires were the same. One side was hot, the other was stone cold. It would explain the crashes.

Ducati on Michelin is a branding maneuver and Noyes hinted at it without sideswiping the people he depends on for info. All Americans on the same brand. All incoming motogp satellite talent on Michelin. 2 of the 3 world champs on Michelin. European tires on a European bike. There is no way Ducati risk the switch if they believed Michelin couldn't perform.

Similarly, Bridgestone's marketing maneuver is all of the "old" Japanese teams on Japanese tires. Surely Japanese riders will be a big part of the equation at some point.

There will be lateral acceleration limits for next season. Michelin should be able to achieve them easily. That's why Ducati is switching. They want custom tires, but they know unlimited tire performance is a thing of the past. They don't have any legacy with Bridgestone that hasn't been already removed. You saw what happened at the beginning of this season during the mass recommendations. Ducati can't afford that again.

If Ducati get the electronics sorted, maybe Hayden has a better chance than we know?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Sep 28 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i will say one thing if stoner uses michelins sticky's to qualify then he will get pole evey race lol... i think it is a bad idea im sure the ducati would shread michelin rubber during a race... unless.... the gp9 with its carbon frame are alot easier on the tyre?

Pre warned perhaps?

Evidence is mounting Lex...

Has it occurred to anyone that should they limit cornering forces in motogp and not superbike then we may as well familiarise ourselves with the WSBK side of the forum because motogp may just become redundant?

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn’t unheard of in motorsport…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 28 2008, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also somebody said they should ban handbuilt specials. Does anyone remember the Weber interview on motogp.com? Michelin need to build tires with harder compounds that were built to withstand the left or right turns of a track. When has tire technology ever developed harder tires that suit the number of left or right turns? It's always been softer tires that are built to suit the number of left and right turns. Hand-builts with 90 different compound zones are gone I think. They went out the window with the 990s. How many people binned it at Assen on the left hand side b/c they couldn't get heat? I can think of 4; 2 were badly injured. To me, Assen suggests that both sides of everyone's tires were the same. One side was hot, the other was stone cold. It would explain the crashes.
This what I think also; they may not have a one tyre rule, but will limit the technology of the tyres, whether by de facto or de jure means. In particular I agree they will get rid of the edge technology. As you say, they may already have done so.

This will affect casey stoner the most, as his success involved riding the bike at or beyond its limits,and trusting the tyres, the front especially. He will now have to ride more tactically, and probably ride less hard on some corners than others depending on their direction. As a fan I hope he can adapt, although recent events tend to suggest otherwise.

I can't believe that any manufacturer would want a one tire rule. Custom tires are what they want and with a couple of years of 800cc bikes experience I'll bet they know exactly how they want them made so they can use any good manufacturer to supply them. The factories will lead tire development now I think just like any other component..

One tyre

No more speculation but for the brand of tyre.

I think for Bridgestone it is fait accompli.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Sep 27 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This what I think also; they may not have a one tyre rule, but will limit the technology of the tyres, whether by de facto or de jure means. In particular I agree they will get rid of the edge technology. As you say, they may already have done so.

This will affect casey stoner the most, as his success involved riding the bike at or beyond its limits,and trusting the tyres, the front especially. He will now have to ride more tactically, and probably ride less hard on some corners than others depending on their direction. As a fan I hope he can adapt, although recent events tend to suggest otherwise.

I worry a bit as well.

If they go back to 990 esque cornering speeds by using reduction in tire performance it seems like 990-esque riding styles will return. Yamaha, Honda, and Ducati all had very good 990s so it seems like they should all be able to adapt.

If cornering g's are limited picking the bike down and picking it back up is going to be critical. Both Casey and Nicky are quite good at that. Hopefully, Ducati will be able to keep in form.

As far as limiting cornering, it can't happen without a ruse/cover. The bikes have been running flat out in the last couple of rounds, they can't show up next season at the same tracks and be slower b/c everyone will know something is up. All parties involved need an excuse.

I think Ezy is going to have to announce a weight increase for next season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 27 2008, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One tyre

No more speculation but for the brand of tyre.

I think for Bridgestone it is fait accompli.

Good.

I couldn't handle another season of weird results and no changes to the rules.

You'd have to think bridgestones it is then. I'm disappointed but it seemed inevitable in the end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 28 2008, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good.

I couldn't handle another season of weird results and no changes to the rules.





I was actually looking forward to Casey going to <strike>Bridgestone</strike> Michelin (edit), he and Nicki dominating the series and the wild "exodus of 2010" from Bridgestone back to Michelin. I guess now follow the leader has been canned I'll just have to watch the <strike>wrestling</strike> racing

More info,seems like the 3rd Kawasaki was the problem

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/mot...ngle-tire-rule/

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 27 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More info,seems like the 3rd Kawasaki was the problem

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/mot...ngle-tire-rule/

What if neither Michelin or Bridgestone send proposals?

This could get really interesting. There are going to be lots of behind the scenes alliances and pacts. This could be way better than the tire meetings of 2007.

what a load of bollocks!