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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 1 2009, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was just giving you facts ..... they don't fit the fairytale and out come the sooks
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Don't read it if you don't want ...... or can't handle it
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Its a forum, you do realise that, right? Since we have no way of, or desire to, verify your claims it just sounds like shoutin' to hear yourself. You're judged on what you write, not who you are. I find your posts entertaining man, just like reading any other fiction is entertaining...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 2 2009, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its a forum, you do realise that, right? Since we have no way of, or desire to, verify your claims it just sounds like shoutin' to hear yourself. You're judged on what you write, not who you are. I find your posts entertaining man, just like reading any other fiction is entertaining...


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ya ....... you probably believe the speculative bits and think the bits I relay as fact ... is fiction
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Give me 1 example of fiction ..... go on ...
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Just one? How 'bout this bit of BM fiction...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 21 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know they are a bit of an australian "phenomena" but driving/riding a corrugated dirt road is more like I was thinking ..... they are like millions of whoopdees about say up to 100mm height and say 600mm to 1m wavelength And they can go for hundreds of km's).
Yeah, Aus has the exclusive on washboard roads!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 2 2009, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just one? How 'bout this bit of BM fiction...


Yeah, Aus has the exclusive on washboard roads!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenon

nothing about "exclusivity" there , nor in my post
You said "exclusive" not me
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described as phenomena here too:
http://blog.thoughtwax.com/2008/01/the-end...orrugated-roads

and here:
http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/~nonlin/abs...07abstract.html


keep going though ...... keep up the misinterpretations and "bitchin" and "sooking" ...... they're all part of the "fairytale syndrome"( which does not seem exclusive phenomena to just yourself )
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 1 2009, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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more fairy tales and ........
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where did I ever say such a thing?

I think I know the bit that pissed you off though ..... ie. I said I worked at a lab, Rog. and helped a guy set up our gear ( he was hiring it ) to test the F50 gearbox controller/diff controller ........ and I did Rog. What have you done ..... apart from it looks like you caught a whiting
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So i was right, you were the tea boy/ floor sweeper.

Im sorry you mistook me for someone that actually gave a .... !
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 1 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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You're just daft...
bm is a legend in his own mind. I cant think of one person on the board who takes him seriously. He has nothing to say and he says it to loudly imo.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 2 2009, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>interesting link, cheers.

spies says "Tc does not benefit smooth riders much but benefits erratic riders greatly". so who do we consider smooth and erratic then berry ?
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well obviously anyone who is slow. It works in reverse too ....... I guess ...... anyone who needs a low limit of TC to stay on, must be one of the slower riders mustn't they?



PS. Anybody got Ben Spies email address .... for Rog.? ........ I guess he will be wanting to sook at him on some forum somewhere and send him whiney PM's ....... since he thinks he said exactly the same as I did.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 1 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well obviously anyone who is slow. It works in reverse too ....... I guess ...... anyone who needs a low limit of TC to stay on, must be one of the slower riders mustn't they?
are you saying slow = erratic ? i don't understand what your saying. spies said Tc benefits erratic rider's greatly, i asked who you consider to be erratic and who you consider to be smooth ? do you think stoner is a smooth rider ??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 2 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So i was right, you were the tea boy/ floor sweeper.

Im sorry you mistook me for someone that actually gave a .... !
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Yes most certainly I have swept the floor ( we tested a lot using diesel fuels, and had some occasional mammoth fitting blowouts ( since we had to test them to full flow rate as part of OIML spec.s for testing ) so it was all hands to the squeegees ( I think thats pretty much classed as sweeping too ) at those times) So yes Rog. .... you are right! .... I have swept the floor!

Can't ever remember being the tea boy though? .... but I bet I did at times. You know how it is and all, client comes ....you show em round the lab. talk, get coffee, then talk some more, same old same old, I bet I made someone coffee/tea some time/s.



PS. Ha ha .... you just made me remember our old tea lady .... I think she died a few years back
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.... funny woman! ...... great person ..... very good friend ...... ah memories.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 1 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes most certainly I have swept the floor ( we tested a lot using diesel fuels, and had some occasional mammoth fitting blowouts ( since we had to test them to full flow rate as part of OIML spec.s for testing ) so it was all hands to the squeegees ( I think thats pretty much classed as sweeping too ) at those times) So yes Rog. .... you are right! .... I have swept the floor!

Can't ever remember being the tea boy though? .... but I bet I did at times. You know how it is and all, client comes ....you show em round the lab. talk, get coffee, then talk some more, same old same old, I bet I made someone coffee/tea some time/s.



PS. Ha ha .... you just made me remember our old tea lady .... I think she died a few years back
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.... funny woman! ...... great person ..... very good friend ...... ah memories.
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Yeah yeah yeah, welcome back to yesterday's banter. Now about what spies said about TC and my question above ???
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 2 2009, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>are you saying slow = erratic ? i don't understand what your saying. spies said Tc benefits erratic rider's greatly, i asked who you consider to be erratic and who you consider to be smooth ? do you think stoner is a smooth rider ??


I think again you are misinterpreting what TC is is.

TC is a device/system that stops riders being bucked off, loosing it etc. due to poor riding, thus they don't get hurt, nor wreck equipment, but they do make it too the finish..

It won't make them faster ...... but it will slow them if they are getting ragged and attempt to keep them on the bike.

I think you guys think by "benefit" Spies means ...will make them faster
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That seems where the misinterpretation is coming in. Whereas the "benefit" is purely that the bike will attempt to stop them crashing. Nothing to do with speed, though the outcome is good for many as they actually finish the race instead of going to the hospital ...... saying TC makes you go faster is like saying I can drive better with my "airbag" inflated
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a limit system triggers something to keep you safe .... thats all TC is ... nothing more nothing leas.


When Spies says, "TC does not benefit smooth riders" he probably means:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 1 2009, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the rider is:

twitchy, or over enthusiastic, with the throttle ...... he will be limitted by TC
twitchy, or over enthusiastic, with turning .......... " " "
twitchy, or over enthusiastic, with weight placement ....." " "


But if he accelerates well, leans well, and turns in well ....... the control system will not be seeing him as a "danger" and hence not limiting him ....... so then he will be as fast as he would if he had no TC whatsoever.

A team/rider who wants to be fast will gamble with safety, and set the limits of the algorithm as such.
A team that wants their costs to be less from equipment damage .... will set the limits low.
A rider who wants to just ride around safely would ask to have the limits to be set low ....... though I strongly doubt this has ever happened
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I can't even get how that nor what Spies said can be misinterpreted ....... you guys are weird
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On Stoner as you specifically asked ... yes I think he is one of the smoothest riders out there, but I think he does it by brute force hence why we see him moving about a lot and wrestling the bike into "the right place" ... "the smooth line" .......... but I do also think he rides very close to "the edge" but knows how to describe whats happening so that his lecko can adjust what parameters he can to keep him upright and fast. Hence why we see him pulling looooong smooth moderate slides .... The TC thinks its a smooth manouver so lets him do it. Nobody flows like Stoner ..... so yes he doesn't get "airbagged" by the TC.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 1 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think again you are misinterpreting what TC is is.

TC is a device/system that stops riders being bucked off, loosing it etc. due to poor riding, thus they don't get hurt, nor wreck equipment, but they do make it too the finish..

It won't make them faster ...... but it will slow them if they are getting ragged and attempt to keep them on the bike.

I think you guys think by "benefit" Spies means ...will make them faster
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That seems where the misinterpretation is coming in.


When Spies says, "TC does not benefit smooth riders" he probably means:


I can't even get how that nor what Spies said can be misinterpreted ....... you guys are weird
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Thats the 4th time you have dodged the question. You say im misinterpreting what spies said " Tc benefit erratic rider's greatly". Cant see what there was in that statement to misinterpret. seemed pretty plain english to me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 1 2009, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats the 4th time you have dodged the question. You say im misinterpreting what spies said " Tc benefit erratic rider's greatly". Cant see what there was in that statement to misinterpret. seemed pretty plain english to me.

your talking to BM rog, hes an engineer dont ya' know?
must be toms grandpappy......

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 2 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats the 4th time you have dodged the question. You say im misinterpreting what spies said " Tc benefit erratic rider's greatly". Cant see what there was in that statement to misinterpret. seemed pretty plain english to me.


The answer is there Rog. thats the best I can give it for you ....... maybe you should use Babelfish too ..... but set it to translate from "fact" to "fairytale" so you can understand it
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Edit:

I think this might be easy for you Rog.
No Slow is not equal to erratic .....

but with TC its likely erratic = slow ..........

do you get that?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 1 2009, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats the 4th time you have dodged the question. You say im misinterpreting what spies said " Tc benefit erratic rider's greatly". Cant see what there was in that statement to misinterpret. seemed pretty plain english to me.
he's polish, and uses google translate...
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I just watched the '04 review and some here claims that TC was fully operational from '03? was it?
None mentioned, but you really don't have the slightest clue.
 

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