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Ducati claimed another victim

Just to clarify for a couple of you folks.

I don't have a problem with the lower classes, and really, they are lower classes in the hierarchy. You can take offense to the categorization, but it's the nature of the beast and as stated has had nothing to do with Dorna. Well let me rephrase, I like Moto 3 a lot, but dislike Moto 2 because of the stupidity with the spec engine. It's made that series borderline unwatchable. But regardless of competitiveness in past in the 250cc/350cc and then 125cc/250cc classes, they became lower classes once top riders stopped participating in them. The days of Freddie Spencer running 350cc and 500cc the same day are gone and never coming back because of the money involved nowadays. It's the same thing that happened to F2 which was once incredibly competitive because you had a mix of full-time F2 drivers along with F1 drivers making appearances. Jimmy Clark was killed running the F2 race April 7, 1968 at Hockenheim. Once top racers stopped racing, that was where the delineation of classes became more readily apparent. I watch racing no matter what and am intending to try and watch at least 18 hours if not more of the 24 Hours of Le Mans this weekend. That's a great example of multi-class racing and importance. Not everyone watching that race gives a .... about certain classes and deem some of the lower classes as being of no interest to them. The only class I have reduced interest in is the LMGTE AM class which is the amateur drivers who are running GT class cars.

If you want lower classes to be seen again as they once were, you need to get top racers back into the lower classes because that is where the increased stature is going to come from.
 
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Umm, no. In the case of 2T the "lower" classes were just as, if not more sophisticated than the 500s.There were more innovations in the lower classes than the 500. Frames, suspension, etc were more often much better in the 125/250/350 classes than the crappines the factories were punting out. Nice 200deg exhaust opening disc valve singles, where a factory Yam or Suzuki 500 was a piston ported dinosaur. Even going back to the 60s. Honda's finest bikes were the 250/6 etc. not the 500.

The final iteration of 125 and 250GP 2 strokes were some of the most insane engines ever. I had the pleasure of driving a superkart with a 250cc Aprilia GP engine in it, my respect for people racing them in crotch rockets escalated considerably.
 
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Just to clarify for a couple of you folks.

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If you want lower classes to be seen again as they once were, you need to get top racers back into the lower classes because that is where the increased stature is going to come from.

It was impossible to sell multiple classes to the blessed TV business, so Carmelo pumped the "premier" class to parallel F1 status and demoted the other classes to lower status.

But that's business, not racing, and it goes against motorcycle Grand Prix history and tradition. So even if we know it's kind of inevitable in the logic of the show business, why should we agree with it.
 
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The final iteration of 125 and 250GP 2 strokes were some of the most insane engines ever. I had the pleasure of driving a superkart with a 250cc Aprilia GP engine in it, my respect for people racing them in crotch rockets escalated considerably.

A few (all?) of the new designs for superkart engines still use the Rotax 256 style disc tandem twin layout, but with the ability to graft Aprilia GP based cylinders on them. (BRC? FPE? did one with an Aprilia APF or G cylinder)
It's a pity they don't fit well in a bike chassis.
 
A few (all?) of the new designs for superkart engines still use the Rotax 256 style disc tandem twin layout, but with the ability to graft Aprilia GP based cylinders on them. (BRC? FPE? did one with an Aprilia APF or G cylinder)
It's a pity they don't fit well in a bike chassis.

Yeah basically. FPE is the most popular engine in Div 1 at the moment. At least in Europe.
 
While the Ducati has a way to go before having the full measure of the Yamaha, Lorenzo's only a victim of his own hubris, in that he believed he could so radically change his riding style to suit the bike's idiosyncratic handing. Dovi and Petrucci don't appear to be terribly victimized.
 
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While the Ducati has a way to go before having the full measure of the Yamaha - Lorenzo's only a victim of his own hubris, in that he believed he could so radically change his riding style to suit the bike's idiosyncratic handing. Dovi and Petrucci don't appear to be terribly victimized.

The thing I find interesting is the fact that Dovi runs a similarly long set up to Lorenzo. Their styles differ, but Dovi doesn't appear to encounter the level of understeer and lack of feel that has intermittently plagued Lorenzo.
 
The thing I find interesting is the fact that Dovi runs a similarly long set up to Lorenzo. Their styles differ, but Dovi doesn't appear to encounter the level of understeer and lack of feel that has intermittently plagued Lorenzo.

Interesting. I'm not possessed of your keener insights into their set up. I'd love to know more details.
 
Interesting. I'm not possessed of your keener insights into their set up. I'd love to know more details.

No real insight, I just know that both favour a long motorcycle - Lorenzo for obvious reasons. It's far more complicated than we can possibly understand and by no means is their set up identical of course, but for some reason, Dovi evidently avoids the recurrent vague feeling and understeer that is currently hampering Lorenzo.
 
No real insight, I just know that both favour a long motorcycle - Lorenzo for obvious reasons. It's far more complicated than we can possibly understand and by no means is their set up identical of course, but for some reason, Dovi evidently avoids the recurrent vague feeling and understeer that is currently hampering Lorenzo.

Not doubting you. Never knew that about Dovi. I expect that would account for his capacity to gel with the Ducati.
 

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