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Ducati claimed another victim

Iamapony said:
D. Last year was the first time that Dovisiozo ever finished higher than a team mate in MotoGP. EV-AR! I can almost guarantee that MM would finish ahead of AD on the Ducati or any other damn bike. I like Dovi, too and he is probably a top-half rider, but he ain't no true contender.
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This is not correct, although I'm not sure if you are taking the piss. Anyway,

2008, his first year, no team mate but beat the factory Honda rider Hayden.
2011, beat his team mate Pedrosa.
2012, beat his team mate Crutchlow.
2013, beat his team mate Hayden.
2014, beat his team mate Crutchlow.
2016, beat his team mate Iannone.
 
JPSLotus said:
Moto 2 needs to go back to 250cc bikes...
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Moto2 should be a 500cc twin, but a real prototype engine -- that would be ideal. Cut a MotoGP engine in half or double a Moto3 one, and there you are. Minimum weight lower than current Moto2 of course. They would be really nice racing bikes.
 
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J4rn0 said:
Moto2 should be a 500cc twin, but a real prototype engine -- that would be ideal. Cut a MotoGP engine in half or double a Moto3 one, and there you are. Minimum weight lower than current Moto2 of course. They would be really nice racing bikes.
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How about V4 500cc two strokes? :ninja: :happy:
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
How about V4 500cc two strokes? :ninja: :happy:
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Then all classes should be two strokes, and we could as well go back to the old 125 mono-250 twin-500 four class progression. Remind me why they went four strokes...? :furious:

In the four stroke era, we should have 250 mono - 500 twin - 1000 four progression. Why they introduced the Moto2 anomaly is beyond me. Cost? BS.
 
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J4rn0 said:
Then all classes should be two strokes, and we could as well go back to the old 125 mono-250 twin-500 four class progression. Remind me why they went four strokes...? :furious:

In the four stroke era, we should have 250 mono - 500 twin - 1000 four progression. Why they introduced the Moto2 anomaly is beyond me. Cost? BS.
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Moto 2 costs much less than moto 3 which is why we're stuck with the current formula , nothing will change when they switch to triumph engines, just 30 bikes with the same noise.
Why not get 4-5 manufacturers to supply either parallel or v twin engines and complete bikes ?
That would be worth watching.
 
danski said:
Moto 2 costs much less than moto 3 which is why we're stuck with the current formula , nothing will change when they switch to triumph engines, just 30 bikes with the same noise.
Why not get 4-5 manufacturers to supply either parallel or v twin engines and complete bikes ?
That would be worth watching.
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Why not "get" 4-5 manufacturers? eerrr...what? How are you planning to coerce them?
Parallel twin. lolololol ffs
 
J4rn0 said:
Then all classes should be two strokes, and we could as well go back to the old 125 mono-250 twin-500 four class progression. Remind me why they went four strokes...? :furious:

In the four stroke era, we should have 250 mono - 500 twin - 1000 four progression. Why they introduced the Moto2 anomaly is beyond me. Cost? BS.
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Why BS?
They killed off 250s. It wasn't as though BMW, Yam, Honda etc were lining up with low capacity race engines to fill the breach.
Now, you remind us why they went 4T? Maybe to get fuel consumption subsidies or some utter ........?
 
danski said:
Moto 2 costs much less than moto 3 which is why we're stuck with the current formula , nothing will change when they switch to triumph engines, just 30 bikes with the same noise.
Why not get 4-5 manufacturers to supply either parallel or v twin engines and complete bikes ?
That would be worth watching.
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Why not? Because one manufacturer wil get it right and dominate. The whiny new age fan will , well whine. They will complain that they aren't being entertained and threaten to quit watching. That's why not.
 
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Dr No said:
Why BS?
They killed off 250s. It wasn't as though BMW, Yam, Honda etc were lining up with low capacity race engines to fill the breach.
Now, you remind us why they went 4T? Maybe to get fuel consumption subsidies or some utter ........?
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Whether you didn't get the humour of my 4 strokes joke, or pretend not to get it, never mind. :happy:

At the GP level formulas should be prototype formulas, leaving some incentive to designers. Then manufacturers would be more interested. Aprilia, for one, gave up Moto2 because they didn't want to use a Honda (or anybody else's) engine. One cannot blame manufacturers for not lining up to participate in such a bizarre formula.
 
Oh do stop it you two ..... im busting here with all the 2 stroke 4 stroke jokes !!! :rolleyes:


Now back on topic ... as i always am ......


It seems Ducati have claimed a few victims in the past two rounds ! ;)

Go Dovi!!
 
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BarryMachine said:
Oh do stop it you two ..... im busting here with all the 2 stroke 4 stroke jokes !!! :rolleyes:


Now back on topic ... as i always am ......


It seems Ducati have claimed a few victims in the past two rounds ! ;)

Go Dovi!!
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So will desperate dovi bin it at the next race or will it be some ducati gremlin?
I think they gave him Lorenzo's rubber.
 
J4rn0 said:
Whether you didn't get the humour of my 4 strokes joke, or pretend not to get it, never mind. :happy:

At the GP level formulas should be prototype formulas, leaving some incentive to designers. Then manufacturers would be more interested. Aprilia, for one, gave up Moto2 because they didn't want to use a Honda (or anybody else's) engine. One cannot blame manufacturers for not lining up to participate in such a bizarre formula.
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hahha. Aprilia did not give up on Moto2 because of the CBR engine. <insert condescending roll eye emoji here>
 
Dr No said:
hahha. Aprilia did not give up on Moto2 because of the CBR engine. <insert condescending roll eye emoji here>
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Well, that's exactly the reason they gave.
You may know better than them tho :happy:
 
J4rn0 said:
Well, that's exactly the reason they gave.
You may know better than them tho :happy:
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Is that what passes for an argument in your neck of the woods?
You're naive enough to believe press releases, J4?
Aprilia started winding down the GP side of the race dept beginning 2008, as soon as the writing was on the wall for 2Ts. RSV4 was where it was concentrating its efforts.
It's interesting to note that they never made a Moto3, either. Now why was that? Maybe dig up a disingenuous press release for the answer. <insert another eye roll emoji here>
 
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Dr No said:
Is that what passes for an argument in your neck of the woods?
You're naive enough to believe press releases, J4?
Aprilia started winding down the GP side of the race dept beginning 2008, as soon as the writing was on the wall for 2Ts. RSV4 was where it was concentrating its efforts.
It's interesting to note that they never made a Moto3, either. Now why was that? Maybe dig up a disingenuous press release for the answer. <insert another eye roll emoji here>
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I agree it is unlikely that Aprilia would have ever contemplated running a premier class effort whilst also being the moto 2 universal provider. I think J4rn0 has a point as well though, they were never going to run a moto 2 team with a Honda engine, and imo breaking Aprilia's dominance of the old 250 class, particularly the expense of their bikes and the money they were making providing them, was a large part of the reason for the moto 2 class being devised. I extremely doubt Dorna would ever have countenanced Aprilia being the engine provider for the class, at least initially.
 
Dr No said:
Is that what passes for an argument in your neck of the woods?
You're naive enough to believe press releases, J4?
Aprilia started winding down the GP side of the race dept beginning 2008, as soon as the writing was on the wall for 2Ts. RSV4 was where it was concentrating its efforts.
It's interesting to note that they never made a Moto3, either. Now why was that? Maybe dig up a disingenuous press release for the answer. <insert another eye roll emoji here>
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I'm afraid I'm not naif enough to buy your reasoning... :rolleyes:

Aprilia losing interest for the 250 class knowing that it would soon be killed is a completely unrelated issue: of course they stopped developing the 2 strokes. What else were they supposed to do?

You assume that they would not have participated in a prototype Moto2 class, but that's just your own assumption and goes against what Aprilia themselves declared, which makes plenty of sense.

How do you you know that they would not have participated in a prototype Moto2 class, maybe even delaying their entry in MotoGP? A 500cc 4-strokes V-twin would have certainly required a modification of their existing 250cc chassis, but not a complete redesign.

As things rolled out, they naturally preferred to ignore the current Moto2 with Honda engines and concentrate on MotoGP. It's totally understandable.
 
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