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Kropotkin
Well, thats because you
don't follow the sport very closely.
:lol:
Had you asked an American
motofan, they might have been able to list off those names. Why? Because we are not spoon-fed wall to wall coverage you Euros
take for granted. Perhaps Aussies
and Americans have that in common, that we are forced to scour the Earth for
information why you ..... get it on a silver platter. Maybe its because we are Ameri-centric that we paid special
attention to our national riders. Maybe
its because of the proximity of the sport, showered with representation, where
us on distant continents had to claw for every gain that is to account for our
different perspectives, but you guys have probably forgot more about the sport
than we ever managed to read.
Scotty, AKA Mr. Daytona
(back when that meant something) and recently crowned Wsbk champ replaced Mr.
Schwantz at Suzuki GP, not sure how this was a forgotten memory, as it was a
big deal; but, ok, whatever. (Oh
...., just remembered, didn’t Russell win the 8 hours that year, or maybe it
was another year, can’t remember atm “without looking it up”, but I do remember
it was around that time). You see,
when an America or Aussie was crushing GP Euros, that was sweet reading. Btw,
speaking of Scotty, I bet you didn’t remember he was crowned Wsbk champ in
Mexico. Yup. Look that .... up too. (Sorry BJC, google-wiki might not help
you there, not even sure they listed Mexico as the final event in the season,
but what ever). I remember since I
am of Mexican heritage, it was a bit embarrassing. And I remember the Brit media going ape .... crazy over the
Mexican organization of the event.
(I still remember the picture of this one dude, can’t remember his name,
some blonde Brit commentator sissy
looking ...... .... talking .... about how savage the Mexican organizers were, it
hurt, hahaha). If I remember, it
all went to .... when some ....... grounds keeper drove a truck across a hot
track. It didn’t help it was in
front of Scotty, the points leader and eventual champ. I also have a memory of Prick Fogarty
claiming he was robbed of a title because that race could have gone his way,
haha. .... him.
Anyway, more to the
point. Bird (not the Cookoo one)
and Michael have been spot on.
Suckzuki haven’t had the greatest of successes in the sport. Many of the memories I have of Suzuki
GP are infuriating actually. Their
success came usually out of happenstance: special rider (KS) + catastrophe
(Brno 93), and more recently 2-smokes vs 4s, and weird .... 2000, not to mention
07 was on the heals of Bstones vs Mi-shitlins. So yeah, they have got some success, and many wasted
careers, not to mention attempted murders, you can throw Hopper in that pile,
not to mention refusing to sign Spies when he didn’t take the ‘loyalty to a
fault’ approach they were use to with Hopkins. So, Suzuki not offered up a
winning effort, that is for sure, but they have been a staple on the GP grid.
So they’re denial for re-entry to me is nothing more than Carmelo Grinch being
a vindictive son of a ..... prick ....... mothafuker (ya get my meaning). You may disagree, as seems to be your
inclination to err on the side of Carmelo’s ‘good graces’ and ‘his steadfast
commitment not to change things on a whim’ (unlike Suzuki, I guess).
EDIT: Btw Kropo, I had to re-write this post after it was lost at the last second. This place can be glitchy. For anybody else, fair warning, if you press the "delete" key while your cursor is at the top of the post field, it will leave the ....... page and everything you just typed will be lost to the ether of hell. So, Kropo, because I like you so much, I took the time to re-write my post. I admit, its a summary of my original post, but .... me, I can't remember all the .... I wrote, so above is the summary. Oh, yeah, and what the .... is up with the text format? God knows.
Well, thats because you
don't follow the sport very closely.
:lol:Had you asked an American
motofan, they might have been able to list off those names. Why? Because we are not spoon-fed wall to wall coverage you Euros
take for granted. Perhaps Aussies
and Americans have that in common, that we are forced to scour the Earth for
information why you ..... get it on a silver platter. Maybe its because we are Ameri-centric that we paid special
attention to our national riders. Maybe
its because of the proximity of the sport, showered with representation, where
us on distant continents had to claw for every gain that is to account for our
different perspectives, but you guys have probably forgot more about the sport
than we ever managed to read.
Scotty, AKA Mr. Daytona
(back when that meant something) and recently crowned Wsbk champ replaced Mr.
Schwantz at Suzuki GP, not sure how this was a forgotten memory, as it was a
big deal; but, ok, whatever. (Oh
...., just remembered, didn’t Russell win the 8 hours that year, or maybe it
was another year, can’t remember atm “without looking it up”, but I do remember
it was around that time). You see,
when an America or Aussie was crushing GP Euros, that was sweet reading. Btw,
speaking of Scotty, I bet you didn’t remember he was crowned Wsbk champ in
Mexico. Yup. Look that .... up too. (Sorry BJC, google-wiki might not help
you there, not even sure they listed Mexico as the final event in the season,
but what ever). I remember since I
am of Mexican heritage, it was a bit embarrassing. And I remember the Brit media going ape .... crazy over the
Mexican organization of the event.
(I still remember the picture of this one dude, can’t remember his name,
some blonde Brit commentator sissy
looking ...... .... talking .... about how savage the Mexican organizers were, it
hurt, hahaha). If I remember, it
all went to .... when some ....... grounds keeper drove a truck across a hot
track. It didn’t help it was in
front of Scotty, the points leader and eventual champ. I also have a memory of Prick Fogarty
claiming he was robbed of a title because that race could have gone his way,
haha. .... him.
Anyway, more to the
point. Bird (not the Cookoo one)
and Michael have been spot on.
Suckzuki haven’t had the greatest of successes in the sport. Many of the memories I have of Suzuki
GP are infuriating actually. Their
success came usually out of happenstance: special rider (KS) + catastrophe
(Brno 93), and more recently 2-smokes vs 4s, and weird .... 2000, not to mention
07 was on the heals of Bstones vs Mi-shitlins. So yeah, they have got some success, and many wasted
careers, not to mention attempted murders, you can throw Hopper in that pile,
not to mention refusing to sign Spies when he didn’t take the ‘loyalty to a
fault’ approach they were use to with Hopkins. So, Suzuki not offered up a
winning effort, that is for sure, but they have been a staple on the GP grid.
So they’re denial for re-entry to me is nothing more than Carmelo Grinch being
a vindictive son of a ..... prick ....... mothafuker (ya get my meaning). You may disagree, as seems to be your
inclination to err on the side of Carmelo’s ‘good graces’ and ‘his steadfast
commitment not to change things on a whim’ (unlike Suzuki, I guess).
EDIT: Btw Kropo, I had to re-write this post after it was lost at the last second. This place can be glitchy. For anybody else, fair warning, if you press the "delete" key while your cursor is at the top of the post field, it will leave the ....... page and everything you just typed will be lost to the ether of hell. So, Kropo, because I like you so much, I took the time to re-write my post. I admit, its a summary of my original post, but .... me, I can't remember all the .... I wrote, so above is the summary. Oh, yeah, and what the .... is up with the text format? God knows.
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I've read a fair chunk of this thread but not every post. So do your worst and call me a .... if this has already been answered
Will Suzuki being required to partner with an existing team make it harder for them to compete against Honda and Yamaha? I.e. that there isn't a current team they could partner with that has equivalent skill and potential to the current top teams?
Will Suzuki being required to partner with an existing team make it harder for them to compete against Honda and Yamaha? I.e. that there isn't a current team they could partner with that has equivalent skill and potential to the current top teams?
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Probably one for Krop to answer
I think Paul Denning (correct me if I muffed that) was the crew chief?
Suzuki had a very Australian team, do we know if they are around or available?
They would have to partner or entice technical talent from the other teams. No one likes head-hunters.
Given the state of electronics Suzuki should be allowed maybe to have a one bike 1 year trial of the control ECU - it would give them a big head start with the electronics with more fuel and perhaps ease them back in.
It would also give Yamaha and Honda a look at a Japanese Factory with the control ECU and put a lot of minds either at ease or on a bandwagon.
If Dorna were clever (like me :smartass: sorry, this is the right one :crazy they'd use Suzuki as a test bed to measure some rule changes that might create economy and stability in the teams and the series, which (apart from a Rossi victory) is what everyone supposedly is looking for.
Dorna it would seem cannot negotiate for .... or plan beyond Qatar.
I think Paul Denning (correct me if I muffed that) was the crew chief?
Suzuki had a very Australian team, do we know if they are around or available?
They would have to partner or entice technical talent from the other teams. No one likes head-hunters.
Given the state of electronics Suzuki should be allowed maybe to have a one bike 1 year trial of the control ECU - it would give them a big head start with the electronics with more fuel and perhaps ease them back in.
It would also give Yamaha and Honda a look at a Japanese Factory with the control ECU and put a lot of minds either at ease or on a bandwagon.
If Dorna were clever (like me :smartass: sorry, this is the right one :crazy
they'd use Suzuki as a test bed to measure some rule changes that might create economy and stability in the teams and the series, which (apart from a Rossi victory) is what everyone supposedly is looking for.Dorna it would seem cannot negotiate for .... or plan beyond Qatar.
Jumkie
The mistake you are making is thinking I am on the side of Ezpeleta. I am not for Dorna, I am against Suzuki. Expensive grid fillers. At least the CRTs are cheap.3422591359764808
Well, thats because you
don't follow the sport very closely.
Had you asked an American
motofan, they might have been able to list off those names. Why? Because we are not spoon-fed wall to wall coverage you Euros
take for granted. Perhaps Aussies
and Americans have that in common, that we are forced to scour the Earth for
information why you ..... get it on a silver platter. Maybe its because we are Ameri-centric that we paid special
attention to our national riders. Maybe
its because of the proximity of the sport, showered with representation, where
us on distant continents had to claw for every gain that is to account for our
different perspectives, but you guys have probably forgot more about the sport
than we ever managed to read.
Scotty, AKA Mr. Daytona
(back when that meant something) and recently crowned Wsbk champ replaced Mr.
Schwantz at Suzuki GP, not sure how this was a forgotten memory, as it was a
big deal; but, ok, whatever. (Oh
...., just remembered, didn’t Russell win the 8 hours that year, or maybe it
was another year, can’t remember atm “without looking it up”, but I do remember
it was around that time). You see,
when an America or Aussie was crushing GP Euros, that was sweet reading. Btw,
speaking of Scotty, I bet you didn’t remember he was crowned Wsbk champ in
Mexico. Yup. Look that .... up too. (Sorry BJC, google-wiki might not help
you there, not even sure they listed Mexico as the final event in the season,
but what ever). I remember since I
am of Mexican heritage, it was a bit embarrassing. And I remember the Brit media going ape .... crazy over the
Mexican organization of the event.
(I still remember the picture of this one dude, can’t remember his name,
some blonde Brit commentator sissy
looking ...... .... talking .... about how savage the Mexican organizers were, it
hurt, hahaha). If I remember, it
all went to .... when some ....... grounds keeper drove a truck across a hot
track. It didn’t help it was in
front of Scotty, the points leader and eventual champ. I also have a memory of Prick Fogarty
claiming he was robbed of a title because that race could have gone his way,
haha. .... him.
Anyway, more to the
point. Bird (not the Cookoo one)
and Michael have been spot on.
Suckzuki haven’t had the greatest of successes in the sport. Many of the memories I have of Suzuki
GP are infuriating actually. Their
success came usually out of happenstance: special rider (KS) + catastrophe
(Brno 93), and more recently 2-smokes vs 4s, and weird .... 2000, not to mention
07 was on the heals of Bstones vs Mi-shitlins. So yeah, they have got some success, and many wasted
careers, not to mention attempted murders, you can throw Hopper in that pile,
not to mention refusing to sign Spies when he didn’t take the ‘loyalty to a
fault’ approach they were use to with Hopkins. So, Suzuki not offered up a
winning effort, that is for sure, but they have been a staple on the GP grid.
So they’re denial for re-entry to me is nothing more than Carmelo Grinch being
a vindictive son of a ..... prick ....... mothafuker (ya get my meaning). You may disagree, as seems to be your
inclination to err on the side of Carmelo’s ‘good graces’ and ‘his steadfast
commitment not to change things on a whim’ (unlike Suzuki, I guess).
EDIT: Btw Kropo, I had to re-write this post after it was lost at the last second. This place can be glitchy. For anybody else, fair warning, if you press the "delete" key while your cursor is at the top of the post field, it will leave the ....... page and everything you just typed will be lost to the ether of hell. So, Kropo, because I like you so much, I took the time to re-write my post. I admit, its a summary of my original post, but .... me, I can't remember all the .... I wrote, so above is the summary. Oh, yeah, and what the .... is up with the text format? God knows.
michaelm
That's not the worst part. PM pay around $25 million a year, it is said. Fiat paid around 8-10 million euros a year, Repsol were paying Honda 8 million euros a year. Suzuki took Rizla title sponsorship at a lot less than a million a year. The boss of another factory expressed his annoyance to me about Suzuki, both for driving down the cost of a title sponsorship - you can picture the negotiations with potential sponsors: "But Suzuki offered us a deal at 1 million, why would I pay you 10 times as much?" - and for only every supplying 2 bikes to the grid, and not pulling their weight.
Suzuki have not taken racing seriously in a very long time. There was an outstanding story with Gary Taylor in AMCN a year or so ago, in which he made it very clear that Suzuki's MotoGP program was underfunded, backward looking and half-hearted at the very best.
That's not the worst part. PM pay around $25 million a year, it is said. Fiat paid around 8-10 million euros a year, Repsol were paying Honda 8 million euros a year. Suzuki took Rizla title sponsorship at a lot less than a million a year. The boss of another factory expressed his annoyance to me about Suzuki, both for driving down the cost of a title sponsorship - you can picture the negotiations with potential sponsors: "But Suzuki offered us a deal at 1 million, why would I pay you 10 times as much?" - and for only every supplying 2 bikes to the grid, and not pulling their weight.
Suzuki have not taken racing seriously in a very long time. There was an outstanding story with Gary Taylor in AMCN a year or so ago, in which he made it very clear that Suzuki's MotoGP program was underfunded, backward looking and half-hearted at the very best.
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Krops, here is the answer: Honda/Yamaha compete for titles. Suzuki compete for ..... Repsol/Fiat/Monster bookoo money; Rizla,here is chump change for chump results. Philip Morons, here is a gagillion dollars for .... results cuz u look good doing it, plus we are the highest valued brand in the known universe (fact btw) so when we throw u an oceanliner worth of gold, its a drop in bucket for us. We just like the party lifestyle associated with Ducati. (see my vid of Nicky partying at Voroom).
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Kropotkin
So lets summarize. You say .... Honda for spending too much on bikes and driving up costs, you say .... Suzuki for being too cheap. And Ducati are foolish. But no blame whatsoever for Uncle Ezy? Ok i get it, dont bite the hand that feeds.
You say "Suzuki" as if they are all the same. There are many highly motivated, hardworking and maybe brilliant people, mechanics, designers and engineers working for Suzuki. Consider their achievements for a minute. As Gary Taylor says they had to fight not only against the might of Honda but also against a bunch of stupid people in their own company as well, probably the dreaded board members and bean counters. And yet underfunded underpaid under resourced they dont give up and continue the fight. This is a life lesson. Life is a struggle, life wasnt meant to be easy, things dont always go to plan. Stoner quit, but the employees of Suzuki with racing in the blood fight on. Good on em!
So lets summarize. You say .... Honda for spending too much on bikes and driving up costs, you say .... Suzuki for being too cheap. And Ducati are foolish. But no blame whatsoever for Uncle Ezy? Ok i get it, dont bite the hand that feeds.
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Kropotkin
And look cheap and sound cheap and go cheap and make the whole sport cheap.
My as well chuck 5 or 6 moto2 bikes in there on the "bore them out a bit" rule and make a race of it.
CRT over Suzuki, pffffffft. We beg to differ.
Hopper looked great on it, all hair and teeth in 5th and CV won Le Mans in a tropical cyclone which is unusual for France.
And you say CRT is better?
Again good sir pfffffft!
And look cheap and sound cheap and go cheap and make the whole sport cheap.
My as well chuck 5 or 6 moto2 bikes in there on the "bore them out a bit" rule and make a race of it.
CRT over Suzuki, pffffffft. We beg to differ.
Hopper looked great on it, all hair and teeth in 5th and CV won Le Mans in a tropical cyclone which is unusual for France.
And you say CRT is better?
Again good sir pfffffft!
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Andy Roo
Worse than that. CRT are so cheap now SBK is too good. SBK is now too expensive, too fast, sounds too good, looks too good, is too entertaining. What can we do? Put Ezy in charge of that as well. Problem solved. We fans are truly .......
Worse than that. CRT are so cheap now SBK is too good. SBK is now too expensive, too fast, sounds too good, looks too good, is too entertaining. What can we do? Put Ezy in charge of that as well. Problem solved. We fans are truly .......
I have written repeatedly and publicly about what Dorna does wrong. Their job is to raise money. They fail miserably at this.
That you conveniently forget about that part is not my problem.
If you love prototypes, you should hate Honda. They are trying to win by outspending the competition, and forcing the other factories out in the process. They buy victory.
If I'm on anyone's side, I'm on the side of the teams.
Anyone thinking Dorna is the hand that feeds me can go .... themselves. They have no ....... clue.
That you conveniently forget about that part is not my problem.
If you love prototypes, you should hate Honda. They are trying to win by outspending the competition, and forcing the other factories out in the process. They buy victory.
If I'm on anyone's side, I'm on the side of the teams.
Anyone thinking Dorna is the hand that feeds me can go .... themselves. They have no ....... clue.
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Okay Krop - you put Suzuki in and allow them a bit of leeway becuase they are a real brand.
Bike racing is vastly different to car racing becuase I now see so many Reposl ....... Honda's on the road that it is driving me nuts. I can buy something for under 20K that goes real quick and looks like what ...MM and Pedro ride (can't say the S word he has retired).
I can get a Suzuki Rizla fake based on a GSXR1000 that will blast past anyone in a V8.
I can't but a CRT and Aprilia and BMW race in WSBK, where I can buy their bikes and associate with the brands.
I think that bike racing is all about the factories and it ..... me that Honda spent 10 brazillion dollars on Pedro who can't bring them a title and they will recognise in the future that if they'd spent less on the bike and hired 1 particular retired Australian they would have saved money.
Motogp is about the brands and factories unlike F1.
We need Suzuki and Kawasaki. As a fan I can't relate to a CRT bike, but I can relate to a Red Bull F1 car.
We need to bring back bubble fairings.
Bike racing is vastly different to car racing becuase I now see so many Reposl ....... Honda's on the road that it is driving me nuts. I can buy something for under 20K that goes real quick and looks like what ...MM and Pedro ride (can't say the S word he has retired).
I can get a Suzuki Rizla fake based on a GSXR1000 that will blast past anyone in a V8.
I can't but a CRT and Aprilia and BMW race in WSBK, where I can buy their bikes and associate with the brands.
I think that bike racing is all about the factories and it ..... me that Honda spent 10 brazillion dollars on Pedro who can't bring them a title and they will recognise in the future that if they'd spent less on the bike and hired 1 particular retired Australian they would have saved money.
Motogp is about the brands and factories unlike F1.
We need Suzuki and Kawasaki. As a fan I can't relate to a CRT bike, but I can relate to a Red Bull F1 car.
We need to bring back bubble fairings.
Andy Roo
Suzuki and Kawasaki demonstrate perfectly what's wrong with the factory model. They are both carrying on as before. Leaving MotoGP has made no difference to them. They don't need MotoGP, the sport I love. Teams have no existence beyond the sport, they truly are the lifeblood of the sport. Others may see it differently to me, but obviously, they are wrong.
Suzuki and Kawasaki demonstrate perfectly what's wrong with the factory model. They are both carrying on as before. Leaving MotoGP has made no difference to them. They don't need MotoGP, the sport I love. Teams have no existence beyond the sport, they truly are the lifeblood of the sport. Others may see it differently to me, but obviously, they are wrong.
