Jumkie
Jum i tend to agree with a lot of your posts but the above does not stack up,Bradl also had the better of MM many times and is on his second year on the tyres and a very close Honda and he is not doing what MM is and that is down to talent.
Jum i tend to agree with a lot of your posts but the above does not stack up,Bradl also had the better of MM many times and is on his second year on the tyres and a very close Honda and he is not doing what MM is and that is down to talent.
Joined Jul 2008
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Tweed Valley Australia
michaelm
Krop, I am going to answer you soon, worked exactly 17 hours yesterday, I'm getting smashed, I'm becoming exhausted and ineffective. Not so ineffective that I failed to observe my main premise (the wiggle room theory) was the one not touched in your reply. I feel like the black knight, you may have got an arm and a leg but I still have an opportunity to bite your knees and I will once I am deprogrammed.
Sorry, the rebel series doesn't have to be manufacturer based, just supported AND as much as we all assume that winners will repeat victories those that have failed previously can change and sooner or later they get a win.
The hypothetical rebel series may learn from the .... ups of the past, you never know.
Krop, I am going to answer you soon, worked exactly 17 hours yesterday, I'm getting smashed, I'm becoming exhausted and ineffective. Not so ineffective that I failed to observe my main premise (the wiggle room theory) was the one not touched in your reply. I feel like the black knight, you may have got an arm and a leg but I still have an opportunity to bite your knees and I will once I am deprogrammed.
Sorry, the rebel series doesn't have to be manufacturer based, just supported AND as much as we all assume that winners will repeat victories those that have failed previously can change and sooner or later they get a win.
The hypothetical rebel series may learn from the .... ups of the past, you never know.
Andy Roo
Hypothetically, it could happen. But Dorna holds a lot of the cards. Look at BSB: MSVR owns a number of the circuits, and can intimidate the circuits it doesn't own by threatening to pull the series. Same with Dorna: "Oh, you want to run a RebelGP round? That's a shame, we were hoping to have both a MotoGP and a WSBK round at your circuit, but we have had some very attractive offers from other circuits. And I spoke to my good friend Bernie recently ..."
You get the picture. Could it happen? It's not impossible. But about as likely as Colin Edwards becoming 2013 MotoGP World Champion.
Hypothetically, it could happen. But Dorna holds a lot of the cards. Look at BSB: MSVR owns a number of the circuits, and can intimidate the circuits it doesn't own by threatening to pull the series. Same with Dorna: "Oh, you want to run a RebelGP round? That's a shame, we were hoping to have both a MotoGP and a WSBK round at your circuit, but we have had some very attractive offers from other circuits. And I spoke to my good friend Bernie recently ..."
You get the picture. Could it happen? It's not impossible. But about as likely as Colin Edwards becoming 2013 MotoGP World Champion.
Kropotkin
I bet many of the circuits are tied to Dorna by contract to stop this sort of thing happening.
I bet many of the circuits are tied to Dorna by contract to stop this sort of thing happening.
does Paul Denning still have anything to do with Suzuki, he doesn't say anything about MotoGP at his twitter address? Having Denning with some influence on who could ride for the affiliated team, it might open a door for next year with the likes of Scott Redding
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
thedeal
Friend, in my opnion, and its only an opnion, Marquez had the margin of Bradl in the lower category, logically it should be about the same today, only reason he lost the championship to the German was, imho, becasue the kid crashed a bit too much. Otherwise Marquez would be the two time Moto2 champ. These bikes don't ride themselves, so it would be an error to think Marquez isn't one of the best to have ever come out of the lower classes, as confirmed by keeping up with the joneses (Pedro, Jlo, VR) on equal footing. That is impressive enough. That is why the margin is so small between Bradl and Marquez so far in testing. The point I was making by contrasting the difference betweein Crazy Joe and McMarquez being so dramatically large in testing, is that I;m attributing it to what is underneath them. (As I said before, and I don't want to get off on a tangent, but its conceivable VR would have been sitting in 11th on a GP13). I concede that Marquez is the better rider than Iannone, but is he really 2+ secs a lap faster? I'm not so sure buddy.
Friend, in my opnion, and its only an opnion, Marquez had the margin of Bradl in the lower category, logically it should be about the same today, only reason he lost the championship to the German was, imho, becasue the kid crashed a bit too much. Otherwise Marquez would be the two time Moto2 champ. These bikes don't ride themselves, so it would be an error to think Marquez isn't one of the best to have ever come out of the lower classes, as confirmed by keeping up with the joneses (Pedro, Jlo, VR) on equal footing. That is impressive enough. That is why the margin is so small between Bradl and Marquez so far in testing. The point I was making by contrasting the difference betweein Crazy Joe and McMarquez being so dramatically large in testing, is that I;m attributing it to what is underneath them. (As I said before, and I don't want to get off on a tangent, but its conceivable VR would have been sitting in 11th on a GP13). I concede that Marquez is the better rider than Iannone, but is he really 2+ secs a lap faster? I'm not so sure buddy.
Joined Jan 2011
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The North!
Please Jumks stop been so politically correct!
FFS I live in England!
Marquez had the measure or Bradl for sure.
Then his team allowed him and encouraged him to act like a cnt!
He damaged himself FFS!
Don't take nowt from Bradl IMO
MM threw it away
FFS I live in England!
Marquez had the measure or Bradl for sure.
Then his team allowed him and encouraged him to act like a cnt!
He damaged himself FFS!
Don't take nowt from Bradl IMO
MM threw it away
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
lil red rocket pilot
I'm being olitically correct? See highlited part above. :lol:
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Please Jumks stop been so politically correct!
FFS I live in England!
Marquez had the measure or Bradl for sure.
Then his team allowed him and encouraged him to act like a<span style="color:#ff0000; cnt!
He damaged himself FFS!
Don't take nowt from Bradl IMO
MM threw it away
I'm being olitically correct? See highlited part above. :lol:
Joined Feb 2009
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
maybe we should talk about another championship that was only won because another favorite son of the show threw it away a bit too much jum
mylexicon
I was mainly joking as you obviously realised, but apart from doubting that suzuki would be doing any worse than ducati has been doing recently short of getting stoner back and going radical again ducati might get an aluminium space frame chassis going more quickly with suzuki involved.
I was mainly joking as you obviously realised, but apart from doubting that suzuki would be doing any worse than ducati has been doing recently short of getting stoner back and going radical again ducati might get an aluminium space frame chassis going more quickly with suzuki involved.
Joined Sep 2007
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here
michaelm
I'm pretty sure that getting re-involved with VW Group is very low on Suzuki's list - they are still trying to force VW to sell their 20% stake in shares back after the breakdown of the relationship last year. Don't forget that Audi is part of the VW Group, once known as VAG - VW Audi Group - before they bought everything else in sight, including Ducati.
I'm pretty sure that getting re-involved with VW Group is very low on Suzuki's list - they are still trying to force VW to sell their 20% stake in shares back after the breakdown of the relationship last year. Don't forget that Audi is part of the VW Group, once known as VAG - VW Audi Group - before they bought everything else in sight, including Ducati.
Jumkie
There is an ideal benchmark to measure the relative performance of the Yamaha and the Ducati: Andrea Dovizioso. Switch to Yamaha in 2012, Ducati in 2013. Add that difference to Iannone's times, and you have a decent picture of what he is capable of.
There is an ideal benchmark to measure the relative performance of the Yamaha and the Ducati: Andrea Dovizioso. Switch to Yamaha in 2012, Ducati in 2013. Add that difference to Iannone's times, and you have a decent picture of what he is capable of.
