Does this suck?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Apr 5 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would HRC have Nicky develope a bike that, as we all have seen this season, was being built with Dani in mind if they expected or knew he would be in the chase?

The fundamental bike Nicky was given in 2006 was designed for Max Biaggi, when he got sacked they gave it to their next best hope....Nicky

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Apr 5 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I base that on HRC giving him EVO delevopment duties last season.

Its pretty obvious that Nicky being given that bike alone shows he was their main title hope. He was not testing Dani's new bike, they have riders for that back in Japan. Nicky was given the special equipment to help his title chances, and it worked.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 5 2007, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi
Capirossi
Gibernau
Barros
Checa
Melandri
Edwards
Mccoy
Kato
Chili
What does Nicky have that none of these guys have. I dont even have to answer,you know.
If Nick is a slow learner,these guys must be flat out .........
i think its a bit unfair and in bad taste you put kato in this list

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 5 2007, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi
Capirossi
Gibernau
Barros
Checa
Melandri

What does Nicky have that none of these guys have. I dont even have to answer,you know.
If Nick is a slow learner,these guys must be flat out .........Less wins?

SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 5 2007, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think its a bit unfair and in bad taste you put kato in this list
Hey Rog, have you ever read the Bible? Remember when Jesus says, "For give them for they know not what they do."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Apr 5 2007, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. As we all know, HRC planned for Dani to be the main rider.

2. Nicky is not a winner

3. I am not a fan of Hayden but I highly doubt he would ever and I mean ever take another rider out on purpose.
1. Agree
2. Disagree (the record shows otherwise)
3. Agree

Wow, that's two agrees and one disagree. What a great day it is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 5 2007, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi
Capirossi
Gibernau
Barros
Checa
Melandri
Edwards
Mccoy
Kato
Chili
What does Nicky have that none of these guys have. I dont even have to answer,you know.
If Nick is a slow learner,these guys must be flat out .........

How many of these riders have had factory rides? How many of the last 10 championships was won by a non factory team win? You do that math. BTW, here are Hayden's amazing stats in MotoGP on a factory bike.

Seas Class Race Win
2003 MotoGP 16 0
2004 MotoGP 15 0
2005 MotoGP 17 1
2006 MotoGP 17 2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 5 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when Dani has been head to head with the big guys he a. gets his arse kicked and goes backwards or b. makes an arse of a corner and knocks off his team mate. The guy is fast, no question, the much hyped head to heads with Vale have been a poor showing for the wee guy.


Personally, I think HRC are acting like arseholes, considering the money and effort they have thrown at beating Vale since he left, and showed that he is more important to winning titles than an HRC bike, you would think they would give the guy who gave them the title back a bit more respect.
Has somebody kidnapped the real Pete? What’s up dude? Are you on mental steroids? Are you allowed to post while being under the influence of mind enhancing drugs?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 5 2007, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Have a nice trip and good skiing.

2. THAT would be hillarious. If hayden win the next race the discussion would turn very interesting. Almost as I would hope for that my self.
But I won't put my money on it.
1. Thanks man. I leave in a few hours. But when I check into the ski-lodge, I'm going straight to the cyber-cafe to check up on you and make sure you're kept in-order.

2. I can only hope, pray, and as you Rossi fans do--burn some incense.

HRC is a great company that makes a product that defines the words Quality and reliability. They seem to be repearing their mistake with Rossi. They are not figuring in the fighting spirit (odd considering they are a Japanese company and should understand fighting spirit). No engineer can create fighting spirit (A.K.A.) the indiminatable will to win. Rossi had it when he raced on the Honda. He has it back after slipping a little last year. You can have the best bike/rider combination on paper but it doesnt mean they will beat a man on a lesser bike who has a chip on his shoulder to show you how wrong you are about it being only about the bike. Some may disagree but Hayden wears the number one plate and in my opinion that means that Honda owes him more support that Pedrosa. That is no disrespect to pedrosa, but he is not a premiere class champion. He has won races and has a truckload of talent but he is lacking that one element he needs to be champion this year. Guts, courage, testicular fortitude, toughness, whatever you wish to call it he does not have it. He reminds me of a guy I boxed in Gold Gloves during my mis-spent youth. This guy ran faster than I did, he sparred better and he was more skilled that I was. All of those advantages did not stop me from Knocking him out in the first round and ending his boxing career though. I think the way big H are treating their only Champ since Rossi left is a disgrace, and they are developing a serious corporate Karma debt that will be cashed in when they least want it. I hope Nicky can still find good results despite their neglect. Not that it will do any of them any good because Rossi will take it back. I apologize for the long Jumkie-esque post. I think I was posessed by the ghost of vacationing Jumkie.

I stand corrected,applying Kato's name was tastless.If allowed i would like to remove it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 5 2007, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some may disagree but Hayden wears the number one plate and in my opinion that means that Honda owes him more support that Pedrosa. That is no disrespect to pedrosa, but he is not a premiere class champion. He has won races and has a truckload of talent but he is lacking that one element he needs to be champion this year. Guts, courage, testicular fortitude, toughness, whatever you wish to call it he does not have it.
If ya ask me none of that got the champ his title last season and so far this season Dani is even more consistant than the champ was last year.

I believe Honda has the "what have you done for me today" attitude.

SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 5 2007, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hate googling so correct me if I'm worng but wasn't pedrosa a Spanish Repsol sponsored World Champion when Rossi left Honda?

Nope, I think he had always been Telefonica Honda, not Repsol. In fact I think Telefonica got really pissed off when Pedrosa got to MotoGP and Honda decided to put him on Repsol instead of all his Telefonica Sponsorship career, so they quit and went to F1 backing Alonzo I think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Apr 5 2007, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't negelct the fact that Dani is a popular icon in Spain and having a Spanish world champion backed by a Spanish sponsor would be a dream move for the Spanish owned Dorna.
So Honda wants to take advantage of Dani as much as they can.

Couldn’t have said it better Snow!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Apr 5 2007, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhm? Ah, forget it....

I'm on vacation.

I’ll just copy and paste one of them essays mate! (Just joking).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Apr 5 2007, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly don't think Dani is as great as people are making him out to be. In Qatar it was highlighted just what an early braker he is, and thats one of the biggest disadvantages you can have on a MotoGP bike. He's fine for going quickly, but when it comes to overtaking and staying ahead, thats a problem.

Oh man, do I miss Barros on a factory ride… ‘Last of the late breakers’… I know he is kind of old to get it, but it was great when the difference from men to boys was the ‘late breaking’ though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 5 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HRC made no secret of how much they wanted to beat Vale for turning his back on them, it really makes you wonder if Hayden winning was NOT part of HRCs plans. The way he seems to be getting pushed back as Dani is pushed forward, it looks a bit crap to me. If that is the case, I hope it blows up in their faces, and Yamaha, Suzuki, Ducati and Kawasaki kick their arse for a good few seasons to come...

I just kind of said (dreamed) something like that on another post:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 1 2007, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dare I say this? Manufactures’ Final Standing for ’07:

Yamaha
Ducati
Susuki & Honda leveled up… oh my goodness, how did I dare!
Kawasaki… Lean Mean Green Machine or something like that!

PS. Just dreaming!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Apr 5 2007, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Rog, have you ever read the Bible? Remember when Jesus says, "For give them for they know not what they do."
1. Agree
2. Disagree (the record shows otherwise)
3. Agree

Wow, that's two agrees and one disagree. What a great day it is.

WOW Jumkie! The [Agree] or [Disagree] option instead of an essay... Take that for a great vacation mate! (Joking, you know me)…

I wonder how different the satellite and factory hondas are. Melandri complains that honda haven't given him jack, fast for 10 laps at Jerez and fades, yet Elias storms through to 4th. Better set up and ride on the day for Elias. Different bikes, dont think so. The difference seems to be one rider can get the bike setup in the 3 FP sessions + qualifying and the other cant. Melandri was incredibly fast in the Monday test

"I'm happy because today we made a step forward with the setting of the
bike," claimed Marco. "We tested some different solutions to improve the feeling with the front and changed the weight balance. We found some interesting solutions and I look confident to the next GP. We also did some tyre testing and in the end we tested two qualifying [tyres] because I need to improve in this area. I look forward to Istanbul with optimism."

Did HRC bring him something special? Sounds as though he found something that was already there.

I think this has been Rossi's great skill (with an exceptional team of course). He is not chasing as much and even if he is in trouble manages to heave the bike to places no-one thought possible. This seems to be the skill very few top guys have, maximizing what they have within the Friday & sat sessions consistently over the season.

Honda maybe giving Dani better parts/information, but he still has to figure it out, eliminate what sucks and push forward (something Barros and Biaggi couldn't do). HRC are betting Pedrosa is the one guy who has a chance at consistently finishing on the podium and pushing for victories. Melandri and Elias are still inconsistent, Checa having some fun before he retires, Nakano, crap team? bike? rider? Hayden, I'd say his career will go the way of the recent one time champions (Schwantz excluded).

So how different are Pedrosa's and Hayden's bikes?

I think all this extra Pedrosa support is being blown out of proportion a bit. I mean, Nicky got special fairing because he asked Honda for it. Dani asked for mroe traction and got a new suspension linkage, i don't think they are being treated that differently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 6 2007, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think all this extra Pedrosa support is being blown out of proportion a bit. I mean, Nicky got special fairing because he asked Honda for it. Dani asked for mroe traction and got a new suspension linkage, i don't think they are being treated that differently.

Thank you Tom! Everyone is creating drama in here... all the bikes on the grid are about the same weight, and stuff... and the record shows that big riders can win too! Why all this talk that HRC is giving Pedrosa preference? Why do fans complain that Hayden was a lead rider last year and was responsible for developing the bike? The new 800 is only about 4 pounds lighter... that is less than 2 kilos.. that is nothing! Plus! it is still the same four stroke engine... if anything, the slightly smaller size means they can move the engine for more front end feel.. The only radical change is the engine.. V5 to V4.. and we know that Hayden didn't ride the V4 last year... The radical change in fairing design doesn't do anything, you would understand it if you understand a bit of physics.. If HRC conspired to use Hayden as a test rat, what about using Rossi as a test rat in the last 500 year?? What about Hayden and Pedrosa having different bikes last year, why wasn't Pedrosa given the EVO bike? Well, did HRC give Hayden the EVO bike in his rookie year with Rossi? NO! That would be stupid... so there is no special treatment for anyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 6 2007, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It almost looks like they want to show how its the bike and not the rider that wins races.
it does kinda look like that don't it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChemiKaze @ Apr 6 2007, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The new 800 is only about 4 pounds lighter...
actually the rules were changed to make 4cyl bikes 6 pounds heavier for 07.

some good points there tom and chemikaze.
i have been wondering but to scared to ask why dani is being called the #1` rider and people are saying hrc couldnt give a rats about nicky. we have only had 2 races and as far as i no there bikes are the same apart from the odd fit and finish bit. i dont no if the fans are writing him off already and making excusses for him,im sure he will pick up the pace,we have a long season ahead.
what i would like to ask is..why do you think dani is hrc's #1 ? have i missed something.
last year rossi got the new bits before colin cos rossi is yams #1. nicky gets the new bits before dani but he's #2 ,help me out here guys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 6 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>actually the rules were changed to make 4cyl bikes 6 pounds heavier for 07.
yeah but only if they still used the 5 cyclinder engine which is why they opted for a v4

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 6 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah but only if they still used the 5 cyclinder engine which is why they opted for a v4
no rog. the 4cyl machines weight limits went up 6 pounds this year as well as less fuel. 21 litres down from 22 last season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 6 2007, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no rog. the 4cyl machines weight limits went up 6 pounds this year as well as less fuel. 21 litres down from 22 last season.
good point frosty,forgot about that mate.