Doctored: MotoGP’s Obsession with Valentino Rossi

I still support rossi
must win the doctor
You are the winner ....

Wow, this whole thread is an emotional roller coaster.

littlesparrows said:

Wow, this whole thread is an emotional roller coaster.

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Oh my bad I meant to give you this first.
http://motogpforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11212&stc=1&d=1443235582

MdubSTYLIE said:

Totally understand what you are saying Gaz, but again I was talking to the haters of Rossi. I don't put you in that category. You are not a fan but not a hater, absolutely there is a difference. I was talking to the Rossi haters but I in no way called anyone out, besides myself that is. But if you responded well then...... I will only say this once every few years but I dont like rossi or hate stoner as much as you all think, its all about satire for me. With that said I am a big Rossi fan and not a very big fan of stoner.

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Totally aware of your satirical days and personally whilst I have often differed in opinion I do admit that your 'candy days' during the CS Lactose Intolerance era were actually quite smart and witty and contained little if any genuine vitriol against Stoner. Basiclaly you were (as us aussies will say) taking the piss of a circumstance that was there to have the piss taken from it due to our little understanding.

Personally I suspect that no matter how much we may 'hate on' a particular rider, were we to see them in the street or socially we would all become the fan boys and sit, stare and marvel in awe that we could somehow be in their very presence.

Sports, entertainment and fandom have the great leveller of when we actually meet that very person whom we have often watched from afar.

littlesparrows said:

Wow, this whole thread is an emotional roller coaster.

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Just wait until one of us guys gets our period, then the real emotional part of the roller coaster ride will start

Gaz said:

Just wait until one of us guys gets our period, then the real emotional part of the roller coaster ride will start

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The biggest problem is we spend so much time together that we are starting to all have our periods at the same time.

Rossi for ever.

So does anyone here take issue with the contents of the article posted? I thought it was well executed and generally accurate. I'm not a Rossi fan, although I've come to realize that it is indeed Rossi fans that I dislike. I can generally find no reason to dislike the rider although I'm confident I'll never be a fan.

So who thinks the article is ....? If no one takes issue, then what 'truths' can we take from it? Can we officially ridicule the Yellow Legion now that we have scientific proof that they're lesser creatures? I think so.

The article is ...., reads like it's been written by someone from here even. Certainly not of the standards. The author ...... up the year of his injury and in general is spewing out a bunch of verbal diarrhea because firstly he's an Aussie so he got the Stoner Chip on Shoulder built in, and secondly he's an AFL fan crapping on about crazed fans??-nuff said

The answers he's after are right in front of his face, the guy has been racing and mostly winning since 1996 on the world stage, he is very cool, charismatic and like able and has a serious passion for the sport and he gives back- .... it must take a genius to work this out. Maybe this guy should head back to uni write another thesis or two on why grass grows

JPSLotus said:

Rossi's entire career trajectory since 2007 was because of CS. He had the most direct impact on VR's career the last 8 years. You can deny that all you want Dubs, but it's a fact.

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I though Stoner retired in 2012? he only won twice between 2007 and 2012, same as Rossi, Lorrenzo won twice as well in 2010 and 2012.

In 2012 Stoner moaned at every single round. I imagine if you wanted to find out why a lot of people say Stoner was the worst moaner, his last year would be the basis of it.

Talpa said:

The article is ...., reads like it's been written by someone from here even. Certainly not of the standards. The author ...... up the year of his injury and in general is spewing out a bunch of verbal diarrhea because firstly he's an Aussie so he got the Stoner Chip on Shoulder built in, and secondly he's an AFL fan crapping on about crazed fans??-nuff said

The answers he's after are right in front of his face, the guy has been racing and mostly winning since 1996 on the world stage, he is very cool, charismatic and like able and has a serious passion for the sport and he gives back- .... it must take a genius to work this out. Maybe this guy should head back to uni write another thesis or two on why grass grows

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Rubbish article (the first instalment anyway, which as well as being nonsensical was too boring for me to assay the second instalment, although I do agree with the author about the booing of Adam Goodes, while seeing few if any parallels with the booing of Stoner at Donington Park, which did not involve racism, Melburnian parochialism/insularity or Eddie Maguire as far as I am aware).

As for the rest of your post, you are as usual largely correct about Valentino Rossi but also as usual displaying the chip on your own shoulder about Casey Stoner, who along with Jorge Lorenzo (until Valentino gets a title up on Jorge by beating him this year as seems entirely possible) at worst ran Valentino even in head to head competition.

Theo said:

In 2012 Stoner moaned at every single round. I imagine if you wanted to find out why a lot of people say Stoner was the worst moaner, his last year would be the basis of it.

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You mean as opposed to Rossi's complete reticence about any problems he may have considered to be present during the entire 2 years of his tenure at Ducati, the second of which was actually in that same year of 2012?

Good takes Levi and Talps, as I read it I had mixed thoughts. Its always difficult to read anything this polarizing and not imagine there is bias, I know that from experience here. My thoughts on Rossi have been fairly consistent, ive not liked him or what he represents to me. When I first joined the forum, I did so in '06 after Pedro torpedoed Nick. Back then (and one can easily scroll back) this forum was a raging Bopper sanctuary. I almost got banned for calling a Bopper member's logic "silly". I learned very quickly I was in the minority, and I spent the next two years fighting with Boppers over their discounting of Nick's championship. Btw, many of those Boppers are now my friends. We cheer for who we cheer, perhaps as this author says, its some intangible unexplainable phenomenon, though he did try to quantify it biologically and anthropogenic, and I personally appreciate that as I am particular to scientific methods.

I think he made a good case for why the sport is lopsided in favor of Rossi, which as he said, I'd rather unique in terms of comparatively speaking when you consider other ultra popular figures. Much of what the article said spoke to me, while some of of it think fell short. Many who have read my takes throughout the years know well my argument, after all, I repeat it almost every week. You wont like this part Talps, I think the article didnt go far enough at times. I like the title of this article, "Doctored", im annoyed I never thought of using this portic term earlier, but I do believe the sport has been doctored by designs. The record book is a sham. But here is something you might like, im talking to you Boppers, I dont think its as much as Rossi's fault as it is Carmelo et al. The executives at the table have more to do with this situation, since they used (a willing participant) Rossi to create and build upon our predictable human tendency through sophisticated designs. So I blame Dorna, who have never behaved like an impartial League, and those individuals in the planning and design room first. But of course, lets not forget all the times VR used this leverage to demand and get advantages, so I blame him a distant second.

The day a rider doesn't moan when things aren't going his way is the day that rider needs to consider a career change.

Jumkie said:

Have you no decency? None!

Your "fondest memory"? Like say something you will never forget. Guess what her unforgettable memory is of you. I know what that memory is, its of you insulting her husband Roger about his parenting. What shortcoming did your sick mind see in those kids or their parents to prompt you to make such a psycho induced verbal assault? Rhetorical, asked to highlight what a sick person you are Kesh. You have absolutely no shame. You bring this up so nonchalantly here, as you have the last few months, like you were not at the center of the worst personal spat ever on this forum! Fact. The reason she is not here is specifically because of YOU!

You commandeered the personal message feature of this forum to insult a member, surely a ban worthy activity, then had the audacity to offer money to try and deflect this fact by saying you did not do this "publicly". Your delusion is disturbing.

You are a forum cancer Kesh, actually you are a form of cancer. Those PMing you and feeding this delusion should be aware of this.

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Its almost cancer awareness month. We should all change our avatars to pink in recognition of Keshav cancer

Rossi fans and gun nuts are of the same ilk. I just hope gun nuts never become Rossi fans or were all .......

Hmmm.
Are the likes of the author bike racing fans or MotoGP fans?
Don't like MotoGP? Get the .... down to your local club race and rediscover what makes it cool. Or ..... Or a money-race. or whatever.

I appreciate the guy's efforts in writing such a screed, but ffs. Hair up his arse or what?

Oh and .... the Freo Dockers.

I disagreed with his assessment of Jordan. Yes the league was preparing for life after him, but Jordan was still held on a pedestal back then (I chuck that down to him nnot living in the States though). Jordan is the Pele of basketball so he deserved it, even if he came off as a bitter ....... during his Hall of Fame speech.

Also, I find the Doohan and Stoner comparison interesting because I was too young and didn't have Speedvision at home in the 90's, I didn't get to observe Doohan much. However, I've always ascertained a certain respect and admiration for Doohan when reading about him and rightfully so. The guy almost won a championship on a leg that was supposed to be amputated. Tough as nails. What I'm noting here is the difference between how both Casey and Mick have been perceived.

HEISMAN said:

I disagreed with his assessment of Jordan. Yes the league was preparing for life after him, but Jordan was still held on a pedestal back then (I chuck that down to him nnot living in the States though). Jordan is the Pele of basketball so he deserved it, even if he came off as a bitter ....... during his Hall of Fame speech.

Also, I find the Doohan and Stoner comparison interesting because I was too young and didn't have Speedvision at home in the 90's, I didn't get to observe Doohan much. However, I've always ascertained a certain respect and admiration for Doohan when reading about him and rightfully so. The guy almost won a championship on a leg that was supposed to be amputated. Tough as nails. What I'm noting here is the difference between how both Casey and Mick have been perceived.

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Mick is one of my all time favourites, proper old school racer he was, he didn't just want to win, he wanted to rip your throat out while he did it. Saw off several pretenders like Kocinski, Beattie, and Biaggi. I think Alex Criville said something along the lines of if it hadn't been for Doohan then he'd never have been good enough to eventually win the 500cc title himself, Mick pushed him like nobody else. Also that 1992 season when he missed 4 races and raced the last 2 injured he only lost the title by 4 points to Wayne Rainey, that just shows how dominant he was prior to his crash.

Hard as ....... nails, also I believe he was the first to use the thumb lever for the rear brake because he couldn't move his right foot properly.