Doctored: MotoGP’s Obsession with Valentino Rossi

Keshav said:

I said I wouldn't attack you because I've been so tired of this whole thing.
If you want to turn everything I say into an excuse to make everything ugly - that's your prerogative.

All I'll say is - I was there - and you weren't.

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At least be honest, your recent posts are designed to push buttons. You know what mentioning Rog or his wife will do. You know what mentioning laguna will cause, just ....... stop.

Jumkie said:

Have you no decency? None!

Your "fondest memory"? Like say something you will never forget. Guess what her unforgettable memory is of you. I know what that memory is, its of you insulting her husband Roger about his parenting. What shortcoming did your sick mind see in those kids or their parents to prompt you to make such a psycho induced verbal assault? Rhetorical, asked to highlight what a sick person you are Kesh. You have absolutely no shame. You bring this up so nonchalantly here, as you have the last few months, like you were not at the center of the worst personal spat ever on this forum! Fact. The reason she is not here is specifically because of YOU!

You commandeered the personal message feature of this forum to insult a member, surely a ban worthy activity, then had the audacity to offer money to try and deflect this fact by saying you did not do this "publicly". Your delusion is disturbing.

You are a forum cancer Kesh. Those PMing you and feeding this delusion should be aware of this.

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My memory is of a good time when we were all friends - before someone took what was a silly gag understood by all - took a photo of what was a goofy moment shared among a bunch of friends and tried in a very ugly way to use said innocent moment (done in public in front of hundreds of people) for the purposes of extortion, all because that person was spitting the dummy because I wouldn't be bullied by him in an argument he couldn't win. What he did was cowardly and sleazy. I was blind-sided by the meanness of what he did and let him know (privately) in no uncertain terms that what he did was essentially unforgivable, and what I said was intended to let him know in the strongest terms just how badly he'd betrayed the trust of someone who (tho we argued often) really had liked him, same as I had liked you.

Using the word "commandeered" is really a piece of cheap hyperbole. A PM is a PM. Again - you are welcome to your double standard and blindness to the cheapness and tawdriness of that person's actions. That's your definition of loyalty, and you've married yourself to that narrative - because it suit's your limited definition of friendship. It all died down and was put to rest - until you started stirring the ..... Anybody can clearly see - I have said nothing negative to anyone in my posts over the last few days. Anybody with half a brain can see that it is you who continues to fan the flames. That's just the facts. I challenged you to show if you have any impulse control and again - you have failed.

Keshav said:

I said I wouldn't attack you because I've been so tired of this whole thing.
If you want to turn everything I say into an excuse to make everything ugly - that's your prerogative.

All I'll say is - I was there - and you weren't.

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You wouldn't attack anybody? You just did two days ago to some phantom boogeyman. Kesh, quote what words were said against you that spawned your diatribe against nobody here:




.btw Mdub, he said he wouldn't attack you. Let me quote him from yesterday.

Keshav said:

If you and the muppets will desist in your pathetic efforts to lie about me, twist my words, and generally ostracize me for having an opinion different from yours and stick to talking about racing - I will do the same. But clearly it has to start with the four of you - and you've never let up. Personally - I doubt that the four of you ...

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The four of you. Ok, lets do this by the numbers: 4 Muppets AKA The evil doers according to Kesk: Jumkie, Manatee, Lotus and ________. I wonder who is this fourth Muppet? It can't be you Mdub, because Kesh said he was no longer attacking you.

MdubSTYLIE said:

At least be honest, your recent posts are designed to push buttons. You know what mentioning Rog or his wife will do. You know what mentioning laguna will cause, just ....... stop.

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That's your opinion. It was a happy memory of things that happened before it all went side-ways. Again.... you are sticking your nose into things that have nothing to do with you.

Keshav said:

My memory is of a good time when we were all friends - before someone took what was a silly gag understood by all - took a photo of what was a goofy moment shared among a bunch of friends and tried in a very ugly way to use said innocent moment (done in public in front of hundreds of people) for the purposes of extortion, all because that person was spitting the dummy because I wouldn't be bullied by him in an argument he couldn't win. What he did was cowardly and sleazy. I was blind-sided by the meanness of what he did and let him know (privately) in no uncertain terms that what he did was essentially unforgivable, and what I said was intended to let him know in the strongest terms just how badly he'd betrayed the trust of someone who (tho we argued often) really had liked him, same as I had liked you.

Using the word "commandeered" is really a piece of cheap hyperbole. A PM is a PM. Again - you are welcome to your double standard and blindness to the cheapness and tawdriness of that person's actions. That's your definition of loyalty, and you've married yourself to that narrative - because it suit's your limited definition of friendship. It all died down and was put to rest - until you started stirring the ..... Anybody can clearly see - I have said nothing negative to anyone in my posts over the last few days. Anybody with half a brain can see that it is you who continues to fan the flames. That's just the facts. I challenged you to show if you have any impulse control and again - you have failed.

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Keshav said:

That's your opinion. It was a happy memory of things that happened before it all went side-ways. Again.... you are sticking your nose into things that have nothing to do with you.

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A happy memory that YOU ruined and continue to today.

It has absolutely to do with Mdub and everyone here since you keep throwing it in our faces because we know the truth.

You spent the last 3 months, and by extension the last few years, insulting people, but then try to interact with us so nonchalantly as if we are unaware of the fact you have been telling us what unworthy rubbish people we are according to some delusional standard in your sick mind.

Keshav, you never have clear understanding of any situation. None of what you said above is accurate. You use the word bully a lot. Like way to much. Especially for the biggest bully here. When you start to lose an argument you claim to be bullied, and then you attack. Then it boils down after intervention from an outside party like 22, and you admit to nothing unlike every other party involved. You think that every argument ends with the other party understanding your point of view. But heres the point of view of someone who has been in your cross hairs since my very first post. We just give up and move on and then you start commenting on our posts like we are friends, but you still left a little chip on our shoulder so we usually chose not to respond. Then you get mad at being ignored and start lashing out. Then like fishing with dynamite you hook us into a big argument again and claim to be just commenting. .... that! This is my last post in this argument not in this thread but with you......unless you throw more dynamite.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Keshav, you never have clear understanding of any situation. None of what you said above is accurate. You use the word bully a lot. Like way to much. Especially for the biggest bully here. When you start to lose an argument you claim to be bullied, and then you attack. Then it boils down after intervention from an outside party like 22, and you admit to nothing unlike every other party involved. You think that every argument ends with the other party understanding your point of view. But heres the point of view of someone who has been in your cross hairs since my very first post. We just give up and move on and then you start commenting on our posts like we are friends, but you still left a little chip on our shoulder so we usually chose not to respond. Then you get mad at being ignored and start lashing out. Then like fishing with dynamite you hook us into a big argument again and claim to be just commenting. .... that! This is my last post in this argument not in this thread but with you......unless you throw more dynamite.

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You are welcome to delusions. I am enjoying reality. If you don't attack me - I will do the same.

Jumkie said:

You wouldn't attack anybody? You just did two days ago to some phantom boogeyman. Kesh, quote what words were said against you that spawned your diatribe against nobody here:




.btw Mdub, he said he wouldn't attack you. Let me quote him from yesterday.





The four of you. Ok, lets do this by the numbers: 4 Muppets AKA The evil doers according to Kesk: Jumkie, Manatee, Lotus and ________. I wonder who is this fourth Muppet? It can't be you Mdub, because Kesh said he was no longer attacking you.

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Still fanning the flames I see.

Keshav said:

Still fanning the flames I see.

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Check the time stamp.

Keshav said:

Note to "Nobody". As usual you have nothing of substance to say and you still have the same sense of humor as you did as an 11 year old in public school, which is why you hide behind yet another fake avatar trying in your callow and puerile fashion to degrade any real debate into another sniggering mean girls popularity contest. Just remember, it's always the popular jocks and hot chicks from Jr High that peak at 16 and end up being the biggest losers as adults. The fact that you went to all the trouble of creating your umteenth fake avatar just for the purpose of a broma barata for the THREE guys in the cheap seats illustrates this perfectly.

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YOUR WORD

Keshav said:

I give my I will not be the first to provoke the continuation of this tiresome flame war.

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Keshav said:

Still fanning the flames I see.

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Jumkie said:

A happy memory that YOU ruined and continue to today.

It has absolutely to do with Mdub and everyone here since you keep throwing it in our faces because we know the truth.

You spent the last 3 months, and by extension the last few years, insulting people, but then try to interact with us so nonchalantly as if we are unaware of the fact you have been telling us what unworthy rubbish people we are according to some delusional standard in your sick mind.

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Oh boo hoo hoo. Your "memory is ruined". This is the kind of thing one expects to hear from a feeble 95 year old grandma from the Victorian age. Any day now you're gonna put on one of those lacy black widow's dresses and start wearing a tocada and black veil so you can mourn your lost honor. Dios mio! This devil Keshav has besmirched my reputation and I cannot show my face in the town.

Two adults traded insults and all those years ago and you're still laying on your fainting couch and sniffing smelling salts from a dainty hankie. Drama queen much? How long you gonna milk this soap opera? Fer Chrissake - the contrived melodrama with you is worse than Real Housewives Of Orange County. What's next? You gonna go on a hunger strike until I leave?

I'm sorry if you have low self-esteem. If so - it ain't my doing. If you really looked back at my posts about you - you would see that there were many times I praised you for being a great guy in spite of sometimes being a jerk. This happens with friends. But you've taken the whole moral outrage campaign to new heights and made it radioactive. No matter how much you push this thing, the fact is, nobody cares about your childish tirades except for you and the three usual suspects; and lately it seems like even that's down to two.

Your continued attacks aren't changing anything here. They serve no purpose except to bring further attention to yourself and the two trolls who live vicariously off of your sham sanctimonious outrage. I haven't gone away and you only look pathetic by wasting everyone's time by dragging this out. Nobody gives a ..... When are you going to figure this out?

The little world of MotoGP is not obsessed with Rossi. The media are.
Rossi's fans are obnoxious because it is a case of mass following. Masses of people generally behave stupidly, they react to simplistic slogans, like football fans at the stadium. When Marquez (or any other champion) will have the same number of fans as Valentino has today, then his fan base will be as stupid as his.

J4rn0 said:

The little world of MotoGP is not obsessed with Rossi. The media are.
Rossi's fans are obnoxious because it is a case of mass following. Masses of people generally behave stupidly, they react to simplistic slogans, like football fans at the stadium. When Marquez (or any other champion) will have the same number of fans as Valentino has today, then his fan base will be as stupid as his.

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Oh no you di-in't!

JPSLotus said:

Casey Stoner is the exact reason we first started to really see the ugliness involved around Valentino Rossi.

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Not so sure I agree that CS is the reason we 'first started' as we did have Biaggi and certainly Gibernau prior to that where the 'fans' of Rossi (as opposed to motorcycle racing fans who like Rossi) displayed high levels of vitriol towards an opposing rider.

But, I will say that CS definitely copped it for longer and at times to a higher level (some understandable, some definitely not) but at the same time, he was a threat to the equilibrium of those fans' worlds for far longer

MdubSTYLIE said:

No my friend, I am only saying that anyone who doesn't like Rossi because of his accomplishments and personality are a hater. That pretty much is what it means. Yes I am a "hater" of a certain ex-rider. I won't deny it.

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See Dubs, this is where all arguments calling people haters falter

Personality traits are just that, personality traits and as such if there is a personality I do not like or enjoy, it does not make me a hater, it simply means that I do not enjoy that type of personality or presentation.

I will openly admit it, I am not a fan of the Rossi persona and I have said that for near on 18 if not 20 now and stand by it. Give me the personality types of Stoner, Doohan, Rainey and I can enjoy things but give me over showmanship and it quite simply p*sses me off (does not matter the sport either as I always admired the ability of Tiger woods to play golf, but never enjoyed his showmanship)

Does it make me a hater, well obviously in your (perhaps small) world but being a personality 'hater' to use your words does not make me or others incapable of appreciating the abilities and accomplishments.

So on one hand to you we are haters, but on the other we are in some ways fans are we not for enjoying aspects of the rider?

I remember years ago getting hundreds of thumbs down on Crash.net for having the audacity to say the champion is the rider with the best bike. My opinion remains the same, I watch motorcycle racing for the bikes, not the riders.

Gaz said:

See Dubs, this is where all arguments calling people haters falter

Personality traits are just that, personality traits and as such if there is a personality I do not like or enjoy, it does not make me a hater, it simply means that I do not enjoy that type of personality or presentation.

I will openly admit it, I am not a fan of the Rossi persona and I have said that for near on 18 if not 20 now and stand by it. Give me the personality types of Stoner, Doohan, Rainey and I can enjoy things but give me over showmanship and it quite simply p*sses me off (does not matter the sport either as I always admired the ability of Tiger woods to play golf, but never enjoyed his showmanship)

Does it make me a hater, well obviously in your (perhaps small) world but being a personality 'hater' to use your words does not make me or others incapable of appreciating the abilities and accomplishments.

So on one hand to you we are haters, but on the other we are in some ways fans are we not for enjoying aspects of the rider?

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Totally understand what you are saying Gaz, but again I was talking to the haters of Rossi. I don't put you in that category. You are not a fan but not a hater, absolutely there is a difference. I was talking to the Rossi haters but I in no way called anyone out, besides myself that is. But if you responded well then...... I will only say this once every few years but I dont like rossi or hate stoner as much as you all think, its all about satire for me. With that said I am a big Rossi fan and not a very big fan of stoner.

MdubSTYLIE said:

No my friend, I am only saying that anyone who doesn't like Rossi because of his accomplishments and personality are a hater. That pretty much is what it means. Yes I am a "hater" of a certain ex-rider. I won't deny it.

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Sure, detracting from Valentino's achievements because you don't like his personality is "hating". Supporting a competitor other than him, even for reasons you might see as shallow, is not, but rather what sports fans in all sports do.

I believe that most whom you call "haters" don't even have a particular animus against Valentino, just towards the glory hunting element among his fandom, many of whom actually do or did hate several riders who competed with some degree of success against Valentino, and lost no opportunity to blacken the characters or diminish the achievements of those riders. I don't disagree with J4rno and Heisman though, there are still very many fans who follow Valentino because he is a fantastically great rider with a mastery of the sport which has been thrilling to watch pretty well from the get go when he started in the 125s.

I personally even enjoyed the celebrations originally, the Claudia Schiffer doll thing for example was very amusing at the time, but thought they got a little old as he approached his 30s. I wasn't so much of this opinion back in the Biaggi and Gibernau days which were pretty much pre-internet, but I do think he did to some extent fan sentiment among the aforementioned element of his following against some rivals.

As I have said previously I don't think any criticism applies to how he is comporting himself and (obviously) riding now though, he seems to be really enjoying himself both publicly and privately, and to be in great good humour (he has always been very witty, particularly notable given that he is often so in English which is not his first language). I have enjoyed him outsmarting MM on several occasions, and freely acknowledge that he has frequently out ridden Jorge.

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