Did West actually jump start???

Pinky · Oct 23, 2007

hes never qualified so high before, so give him a break LOL

he prob thought i'll line up directly behind stoner.

he even gave himself a foot leeway behind the line just to be on the safe side.... unfortunatly u have to start inside your box, though not extrmely important in bike racing, you can imagine otherwise people would be lining up whereever they want along the grid to get the best passing line.

frosty58 · Oct 23, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 22 2007, 09:37 PM) [snapback]96651[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

It was harder for all the riders down the middle to pick their spots. In that case West should not have been penalised

i guess the powers that be need to adress this problem. maybe paint the 800 grid slots a different color.

Tom · Oct 23, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 23 2007, 10:44 AM) [snapback]96665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What a completly ignorant thing to say.

A bit harsh, condering that before he started the warmup lap he was in the vary same place, its not a variable is it. A foolish and unnecessary mistake. I am sure the mistake was easy to make but it wasn't a complicated situation and it shouldn't have happened.

babelfish · Oct 23, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 23 2007, 10:18 PM) [snapback]96794[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
A bit harsh, condering that before he started the warmup lap he was in the vary same place, its not a variable is it. A foolish and unnecessary mistake. I am sure the mistake was easy to make but it wasn't a complicated situation and it shouldn't have happened.

It is indeed an ignorant thing to say as he has obviously not been there himself. I've been there, without the double markings for MotoGP and that is hard enough. It's not really about how difficult it is to find your spot, but about high stress level and how focused you are on the very few things you have to get perfect before and on the start. In addition, and despite what others say here, the marshalls should have assisted him in changing to the right spot.
Sure he did a misstake, but it is a very understandable one for anyone who has been in a similar situation, but that kind of comments are just...ignorant I guess.

BTW.: I never picked the wrong spot but have been unsure more than once.

an4rew · Oct 24, 2007

what would have happened if he had raised his arm?

Corr · Oct 24, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 24 2007, 06:35 PM) [snapback]96854[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
what would have happened if he had raised his arm?

Umm.... as if had a problem?? I think they delay the start, pull you from the grid and make you start from pit lane.
I think!!!
Can anyone confirm ths? Or confirm that I'm wrong!

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 29, 2007

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63615

Someone might want to remind this 26 year old rookie that he's not riding on a crappy 250 team anymore.
He is 1 of 2 guys in the world who get to ride a full factory supported
Kawasaki MotoGp machine.
He was apparently unmotivated (is that even a word?) to ride at his best following his penalty in Malaysia.

BarryMachine · Oct 29, 2007

I think that was already discussed "ad nauseum" in here:

http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6084

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 29, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 29 2007, 10:54 PM) [snapback]97650[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think that was already discussed "ad nauseum" in here:

http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6084

No that thread was about him jumping the start.

The article stated that after his ride thru he was demoralized and not motivated which was reflected in his lap times.

Any rider in the MotoGP class that suffers from lack of motivation (except for any KR Rider) does not belong here. This is the pinnacle of roadracing. Superbike world champions are taking satellite rides on inferior teams just to get here.
I can't imagine the likes of Stoner, Rossi or Hayden ever uttering those words.

antfan · Oct 30, 2007

Your kidding aren't you? Anyone that said they weren't unmotivated after riding through the pits and having to ride about by themselves would be flat out lieing..

Ant tends to say things as they are and he would have never contemplated entering pit lane (ala The Hoff), i think its natural to be shattered after receiving such a harsh penalty, but at least he kept at it and brought home a point.. The people he caught after riding through should be the ones u are having a go at..

drumfu · Oct 30, 2007

i agree that West's situation is different than Hoffman's (and Duhamel's at the Laguna Seca GP) in that he didn't just come in and park it. he at least finished the race.

however, i think it's more interesting to compare West's reaction to this penalty with Rossi's reaction at PI '03 with the yellow flag penalty.

vale4607 · Oct 30, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drumfu @ Oct 30 2007, 08:10 PM) [snapback]97659[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
however, i think it's more interesting to compare West's reaction to this penalty with Rossi's reaction at PI '03 with the yellow flag penalty.

Two completely different penalties for two completely different situations. They are not even remotely comparable.

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 30, 2007

How many times have we seen Hayden and Rossi pick up their trashed bikes and keep riding when most others would have walked away.
Don't forget the effort at the expense of money and team members who have flown halfway around the world and worked thru the night to get these bikes set up.

antfan · Oct 30, 2007

He didn't quit you moron, he didn't cost the team anything!

He kept going, like Rossi or Hayden would have and yes, he was slightly de-motivated as a result of his ride through but Hayden/Rossi would have been from crashing too..

Sheesh, nit picking much?

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 30, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Oct 30 2007, 10:36 AM) [snapback]97700[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
He didn't quit you moron, he didn't cost the team anything!

He kept going, like Rossi or Hayden would have and yes, he was slightly de-motivated as a result of his ride through but Hayden/Rossi would have been from crashing too..

Sheesh, nit picking much?

If he is not motivated to run on a sunday for full race distance than how's he going to get motivation on a Tuesday 2 days after the race in a testing
session to acquire valuable set up, development and tire data.
100% all the time or get out.
Antfan I get why he was not motivated. That might fly in other classes but not MotoGp.
If my guy ever says those words I will slam him just as hard.

Oh and moderator thanks for merging 2 seperate topics but leaving the 50 Casey Stoner topics seperate.

drumfu · Nov 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Oct 30 2007, 03:19 AM) [snapback]97660[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Two completely different penalties for two completely different situations. They are not even remotely comparable.

let's see...

1. a penalty was assigned during the race? check.

2. the penalty resulted in a loss of time? check.

3. when the rider became aware that the penalty was assigned to them, they became even more motivated and raced harder? hmmm.

of course, a 10 second penalty for a yellow flag violation and a ride-thru result in different length time penalties for a rider.... the former being a fixed amount and the latter variable depending on how long pit lane is, etc.

however, once you get down to brass tacks, the situations are not dissimilar... basically, both riders were assessed penalties during a race (as opposed to afterwards) which resulted in a loss of time for the rider.

so far, it looks like the situations are actually the opposite of "not even remotely comparable." in fact, i think i just did that.

if you still think the situations are so clearly different, i'd love to hear your reasoning.

xx CURVE xx · Nov 1, 2007

West is a DIM WIT...no one elses fault but his...the ............ can't caount....he's about a sharp as bowling ball.

Bootsakah · Nov 1, 2007

All sport has rules, if the rules say you have to be in your box at the start and that it is your responsibility to be in said box at the start (not the marshalls) or a penalty will be incurred. That said, does anyone know what the exact rules are? Ie - anyone have a rule manual, otherwise is all this speculation heresay?

In regards to his mistake, man I was feeling for him, the guy has done well in the start of two races only to get yoinked out of the race for penalties. Like everyone else is saying, I hope he can redeem himself at Valencia with a top 5 finish.

WishIcudRideLikeRossi · Nov 1, 2007

I dont think he could see the lights go out................ no no on the photo.....

an4rew · Nov 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Nov 1 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]97977[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
West is a DIM WIT...no one elses fault but his...the ............ can't caount....he's about a sharp as bowling ball.

i guess he could be, i don't know the guy but i think the teams deserve these mistakes because there where better riders to take the seat than West (no offence)

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