Catlunya Race Talk - Spoiler

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 12 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Errrr... no louise the point you made was Casey was crap last year so the ducati is the only factor because of his big improvment.

No Electric Mofo, my point, and the point that is coming from the person who said it, was that part of Casey winning is down to his bike. If I'm so wrong, then why does he speed down those straights and go off?? Oh no, of course, I'm so sorry, Caseys wins are nothing to do with his bike.

Maybe he gets a better drive out of the corners?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 12 2007, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe he gets a better drive out of the corners?

Yeah, maybe, but it's down to his bike. See, you even said it.. basically..

He can't go fast without a bike. He can't go without a bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ Jun 12 2007, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, okay, so he can have bad luck, but not good luck? Pfft
Call Rossi that if you want. He knows he's lucky because it says in his biography.
Oh and by the way, he isn't the best out there, Stoner, Rossi and Pedrosa are all incredibley better than him

I don't actually think Nicky is still the best out there, i was just using your logic with the opposite bias so you would see how ludicrous it is (and naturally you ridiculed it). Hayden isn't performing up to scratch so far this year, but we have seen hes got it in him so i don't think we've seen the last of him. Of course Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa are better than him right now but last year that was not the case, things can change pretty fast in bike racing.

And in reality i believe that luck is a self generated entity. Each risk a person takes is calculated, and those who make the best decisions get the best results.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ Jun 12 2007, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No Electric Mofo, my point, and the point that is coming from the person who said it, was that part of Casey winning is down to his bike. If I'm so wrong, then why does he speed down those straights and go off?? Oh no, of course, I'm so sorry, Caseys wins are nothing to do with his bike.

Yes your absolutly correct!!!! I mean its not like theres any corners on the circuits, its all one ....... big straight that requires maximum horse power to win and any bum of the street can win a world title!!!! yes your correct, I mean its not like Rossi has over a minute and 30 second to pull a gap through the corners and prove his superior riding skill. Jubus what was I thinking disagreeing!!! why didn't they think of it sooner, .... THE CORNERS, ITS ALL ABOUT HORSE POWER PEOPLE DUH! NOBODY CARES ABOUT CORNERS, THAT SO LAST ROUND!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 12 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And in reality i believe that luck is a self generated entity. Each risk a person takes is calculated, and those who make the best decisions get the best results.

Woah that's deep dude.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 12 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't actually think Nicky is still the best out there, i was just using your logic with the opposite bias so you would see how ludicrous it is (and naturally you ridiculed it). Hayden isn't performing up to scratch so far this year, but we have seen hes got it in him so i don't think we've seen the last of him. Of course Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa are better than him right now but last year that was not the case, things can change pretty fast in bike racing.

And in reality i believe that luck is a self generated entity. Each risk a person takes is calculated, and those who make the best decisions get the best results.

'My logic' is that Stoner owes part of his wins to his bike. Arrrgh people see THAT LOGIC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 12 2007, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Woah that's deep dude.

No he's using persuasive words to make him sound better, but he knows I will win

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 12 2007, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Woah that's deep dude.

Like totally dude, pass the duby, I think I just found my soul.

All this arguing. Jumkie would be proud.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 12 2007, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes your absolutly correct!!!! I mean its not like theres any corners on the circuits, its all one ....... big straight that requires maximum horse power to win and any bum of the street can win a world title!!!! yes your correct, I mean its not like Rossi has over a minute and 30 second to pull a gap through the corners and prove his superior riding skill. Jubus what was I thinking disagreeing!!! why didn't they think of it sooner, .... THE CORNERS, ITS ALL ABOUT HORSE POWER PEOPLE DUH! NOBODY CARES ABOUT CORNERS, THAT SO LAST ROUND!!!

OH JESUS WHY THE HELL DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT?!! NOO!!! OF COURSE IT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE STRAIGHTS!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HORSEPOWER BECAUSE OF COURSE THERE IS NO STRAIGHT THERE AT ALL!!!! NOPE. NONE AT ALL.

Take some advice from me and watch some videos on youtube of Casey down the straights and then, when you realise how stupid you sound, turning what I said, which I didn't even say that the whole circuit was a straight, then you can try and prove me wrong

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 12 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
All this arguing. Jumkie would be proud.

This is actually really fun
Jumkie wouldn't be proud, we haven't explained it enough.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ Jun 12 2007, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'My logic' is that Stoner owes part of his wins to his bike. Arrrgh people see THAT LOGIC.

well, this is a different argument, i was just replying to your little hayden dig earlier. but as for the stoner thing, of course part of his new success is down to his bike, but your original comment did read very much like you were suggesting it was the significant ingredient to his success. when i read it i felt as though you had failed to acknowledge his talent, his development from last year both in his technique and his mental ability, his relationship with his team, and his factory support. Sure his straight line speed isn't hurting, but its not just drag racing we watch. Sorry if i misunderstood you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 12 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well, this is a different argument, i was just replying to your little hayden dig earlier. but as for the stoner thing, of course part of his new success is down to his bike, but your original comment did read very much like you were suggesting it was the significant ingredient to his success. when i read it i felt as though you had failed to acknowledge his talent, his development from last year both in his technique and his mental ability, his relationship with his team, and his factory support. Sure his straight line speed isn't hurting, but its not just drag racing we watch. Sorry if i misunderstood you.

Yeah, like everyone's misunderstood me. All I was clearing was that Casey owes some of his success down to the bike and that's what I got. Oh well, you wanted an arguement anyway

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 12 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like totally dude, pass the duby, I think I just found my soul.

LOL, its not like that, i just try to look at all things with the same philosophies and i felt compelled to share them so you might understand how i was thinking.

Ah at least Jumkie is here in spirit eh Tom?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ Jun 12 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, like everyone's misunderstood me. All I was clearing was that Casey owes some of his success down to the bike and that's what I got. Oh well, you wanted an arguement anyway

i love it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 12 2007, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah at least Jumkie is here in spirit eh Tom?

i don't understand what you mean?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 12 2007, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i love it

Louise with all due respect the person who sounds stupid is you. And I take it you dont catch on to sarcasm to well at all.

Even the die hard Rossi fans have given Casey credit and you just sound like a blubbering fanboy. Your saying that caseys sucsess is partly due to machinery? well thats ....... pretty obvious. But you dont seem to understand that someone also has to ride the bike aswell. If your able to recognise that stoner is nothing without the Ducati, you should also realise that Rossi would be nothing without the greatest engineers in the world by his side. Did you watch the race? did you notice that Rossi lead to cross the line by 0.004 on the penultamate lap? did you also notice that Rossi outbraked Casey into the first turn? guess what! that makes the argument about casey's so called speed advantage ( which was only 4 kilometres ) absolutly mute becuase if Rossi handled it then he could of handled on the last lap. But he didn't de he? he was out raced, beaten deal with it.






And I'd also like to add that this is my last post on this forum ever. I dont expect anyone to care but I always feel like I need to choose my words wisely incase I upset some stupid fanboy and it shouldn't be like that. people should be able to speak freely here ( when the person has something constructive to add to the argument) without fear of being crucified.

Peace out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 12 2007, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Louise with all due respect the person who sounds stupid is you. And I take it you dont catch on to sarcasm to well at all.

Even the die hard Rossi fans have given Casey credit and you just sound like a blubbering fanboy. Your saying that caseys sucsess is partly due to machinery? well thats ....... pretty obvious. But you dont seem to understand that someone also has to ride the bike aswell. If your able to recognise that stoner is nothing without the Ducati, you should also realise that Rossi would be nothing without the greatest engineers in the world by his side. Did you watch the race? did you notice that Rossi lead to cross the line by 0.004 on the penultamate lap? did you also notice that Rossi outbraked Casey into the first turn? guess what! that makes the argument about casey's so called speed advantage ( which was only 4 kilometres ) absolutly mute becuase if Rossi handled it then he could of handled on the last lap. But he didn't de he? he was out raced, beaten deal with it.

Haha. Yes of course I sound stupid. And no, of course I don't get sarcasm
And for one last time, I'm not saying Stoner is rubbish.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>saying that caseys sucsess is partly due to machinery? well thats ....... pretty obvious.

Woah, well done mate, you've realised my point. 1 point to you!!



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 12 2007, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And I'd also like to add that this is my last post on this forum ever. I dont expect anyone to care but I always feel like I need to choose my words wisely incase I upset some stupid fanboy and it shouldn't be like that. people should be able to speak freely here ( when the person has something constructive to add to the argument) without fear of being crucified.

Peace out

Oh for God sake, it's meant to be fun. This is what the forums about, no one cares if you upset anyone else with your views because they're yours.
And what I have done is exactly that. I have spoken freely. So you sir, are wrong.

There are some nice comments from JB in a vid on motogp.com, all about Ducati speed advantage & what a big set of testicles Casey has. The man knows

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jun 11 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are the Rossi fans serious in their comments that Stoner only wins because he is on the best or fastest bike? This theory reveals some flaws that will reflect badly on Rossi's past performances.

Great first post, but not all Rossi fans think this way. As you may have noticed from most of the replies to your post. I believe Stoner has been the better rider so far this season.



Also, why do some people think the Ducati's of this year, handle the same as last years bike???? Just because they are both the fastest, and kind of look the same dose not mean the are the same bike.