Catalunya Moto2 Race

Talpa · Jun 3, 2012

Duc999 said:
I disagree. It was a racing incident that could have been prevented. It was an act of carelessness by Marquez.

There is absolutely no way he did not know that Espargaro was behind him. If Simoncelli can be pinned to the wall for not leaving Pedrosa room/turning into him, so should Marquez. Similar to the WSBK incident (Melandri/Haslam/Rhea), space was created from the slide/save, Marquez knew that Espargaro would go for the gap.

smh.. Marquez gets away with another one.

Now one of his main rivals is hurt from the incident and will not be in top condition to fight.

All is left is for Marquez to hurt Luthi and the championship is all done and dusted

Yes, the pitboards tell them whose where at all times, he had to know that Esparagro was at least around. It was a racing incident-not that I expect them to see like superman, but it could have been prevented if Marquez had given room, knowing how much he ran offline due to the slip.

Actually sort of similar to the Pedders/Sic incident at Le Mans. I'm not sure this one yesterday deserved a penalty, but judging by some of his moves, Mr Marquez needs to know they'll come after him if he keeps it up.

stnd · Jun 3, 2012

He didn't even go off his line all that much and Pol didn't really zoom by him either, racing incident. Watch how Lorenzo get's by Pedrosa and how Pedrosa stands up a bit because he gets to see Lorenzo in front. Pol was never there and Marquez recovered instantly.

Mental Anarchist · Jun 3, 2012

stnd said:
He didn't even go off his line all that much and Pol didn't really zoom by him either, racing incident. Watch how Lorenzo get's by Pedrosa and how Pedrosa stands up a bit because he gets to see Lorenzo in front. Pol was never there and Marquez recovered instantly.

He cut straight back to the apex and the paint in a very direct and intentional manner. How you can say he didn't go off line much is bizarre. In the process he ran straight into the side of Pol. Not his back wheel touch Pol's front wheel but fairing to fairing. If the guy has no peripheral vision than he is a danger and should not be passed fit or given a racing licence.

As I have said before, Race Direction or the FIM are creating a situation where riders will have to sort Marquez out on track and someone, most likely Marquez is going to be seriously injured.

Geonerd · Jun 3, 2012

MM says, "I didn't see him."

MM must be deaf, dumb, and blind as a ....... bat....

Up to this point, I can almost buy his story. Even then, I'd think that the noise of another bike immediately beside him would register...

Geonerd · Jun 3, 2012

Geonerd · Jun 3, 2012

By now, I'd expect MM to have a clue...

Do you see me now?

Apparently not. I think I'll move down to hit my apex. (And anything else that might be there....)

Mission Accomplished.

stnd · Jun 3, 2012

Mental Anarchist said:
He cut straight back to the apex and the paint in a very direct and intentional manner. How you can say he didn't go off line much is bizarre. In the process he ran straight into the side of Pol. Not his back wheel touch Pol's front wheel but fairing to fairing. If the guy has no peripheral vision than he is a danger and should not be passed fit or given a racing licence.

As I have said before, Race Direction or the FIM are creating a situation where riders will have to sort Marquez out on track and someone, most likely Marquez is going to be seriously injured.

If anything Pol cut his line to the inside trying to take advantage, I can say Marc didn't go off line much at all very easily because i have eyes. Watch the frames.

Mental Anarchist · Jun 3, 2012

He folded the front and ran wide saving it. What, are other riders not allowed to stay on the racing line and continue around the corner and over take Marquez? Marquez clearly went off line. Pol clearly stayed on line. Pol was clearly right beside Marquez when Marquez negligently ran into the side of him and took him down. Marquez claiming he did not see him is just ........ unless he has an eyesight problem. If he has an eyesight problem pull his license because he is unfit to race.

Mental Anarchist · Jun 3, 2012

stnd · Jun 3, 2012

No one was that tight against the paint where Pol was, not Iannone, not Luthi. He cut his line tight and paid the price.

I'm more surprised that Marc didn't end up in the gravel.

johnnyvvc · Jun 4, 2012

Marquez is a moron. He will only learn when he ends a career or worse, kills someone.

The penalty was right for this incident let alone for all the dodgy moves he has pulled in the past. This is racing not kindergarden so you expect some rought stuff from time to time but if people are going to burn the likes or Stoner,Rossi Simoncelli etc then this guy really needs to be hung drawn & quartered.

This is just another case or Dorna looking after their own & ....... everyone else over. Im just waiting for the rookie rule to be scapped for 2013 - then the job wil be more or less complete.

Mick D · Jun 4, 2012

stnd said:
If anything Pol cut his line to the inside trying to take advantage, I can say Marc didn't go off line much at all very easily because i have eyes. Watch the frames.

He ran far enough off line to expect another racer to fill the gap. Racing incident - BUT Marquez has gotta be watched!

cliche guevara · Jun 4, 2012

in this case i'd even be willing to give marquez the benefit of doubt since he almost lost it himself just a couple of seconds earlier.no penalty for this incident alone , but given the way he rides all the other times its high time to give him a penalty. he will hurt other riders sooner than later ,that is for sure in my eyes.

lil red rocket pilot · Jun 4, 2012

Some very good comments on here that have made me hold back!

From previous posts most of you know that I don't like Marquez and have been saying hes dangerous for some time.

Now regarding yesterday,

At first I was out to hang him, Then I calmed down and looked again.

After seeing the crash a few more times at normal speed both me and a mate Mat agreed it to be a racing incident!

However after seeing the still frames, the frame just before point of contact clearly shows Pol to be a full wheel in front of Marquez.

So if Marquez claims he never saw Pol some serious questions about Marquez's eyesight need to be asked.

I believe the penalty is a warning from dorna that too many incidents seem to be happening around him and this has to stop before someone gets seriously hurt or worse.

IMO Marquez should have an extensive optical examination on both forward and prephiral (fcuk knows how you spell that) vision.

He should not be allowed back on track untill these tests are done and he has a full bill of health from an independent practitioner.

Just read the penalty has been taken back.

So I v'e changed my mind too!

HANG HIM!

stnd · Jun 4, 2012

lil red rocket pilot said:
Some very good comments on here that have made me hold back!

From previous posts most of you know that I don't like Marquez and have been saying hes dangerous for some time.

Now regarding yesterday,

At first I was out to hang him, Then I calmed down and looked again.

After seeing the crash a few more times at normal speed both me and a mate Mat agreed it to be a racing incident!

However after seeing the still frames, the frame just before point of contact clearly shows Pol to be a full wheel in front of Marquez.

So if Marquez claims he never saw Pol some serious questions about Marquez's eyesight need to be asked.

I believe the penalty is a warning from dorna that too many incidents seem to be happening around him and this has to stop before someone gets seriously hurt or worse.

IMO Marquez should have an extensive optical examination on both forward and prephiral (fcuk knows how you spell that) vision.

He should not be allowed back on track untill these tests are done and he has a full bill of health from an independent practitioner.

Just read the penalty has been taken back.

So I v'e changed my mind too!

HANG HIM!

At no point does he have a full wheel in front of Marc.

lil red rocket pilot · Jun 4, 2012

stnd said:
At no point does he have a full wheel in front of Marc.

Okay half a wheel?

Third pic down in Geo's post.

Sure looks in front to me!

Ngads · Jun 4, 2012

Great race...But i know what we are all talking about without having to read the comments....This really is a tough one.

Marquez was recovering and just trying to get his bike back to the racing line.

Pol was trying to capitalize on a mistake.

IMO i think it was just a racing incident. Pol got ahead of himself and should have waited, while marquez just made an error and didn't think that pol was going to squeeze in.

That being said i think that marquez really needs to chill bc he really closes the door on people too harshly, i.e. qatar. I love watching him ride but hes gonna get more and more bad press and eventually actually get penalized.

Jumkie · Jun 4, 2012

xx CURVE xx said:
I hate to agree with Mental cause usually hes a douch bag milk shake.. BUT if I was Esperagus id be headed to punch Marqy straight in his pretty mouth followed by a Goodfellas Robert D stomp.

I hate to disagree with Curve cause usually hes high as .... and the nicest guy to be around..But it was a racing incident as I see it. Just too much .... going on with Marc's save and Spargus overly enthusiastic hope that he could squeeze in. BUT...I'm not opposed to your suggestion Esperagus punch Margie. Though judging from Pol crying like a girl in the pit, it might look more like a faggoty flimsy wrist slap fest.

I have found that I usually agree with Mental on these racing contacts and crashes, but this time I think it was a racing incident. It all happened so fast, and closing the line seems like just part of the saving action and reflex. Espargaro seemed a bit over enthusiastic, similar to Rea on Haslam. No real gap existed, except it appeared to be for Pol. I think Marc is overly aggressive sometimes, and I hate the way he cuts across the front into turn ones when he gets a "draft". I think this is more egregious than what transpired between these incidents.

Keshav · Jun 4, 2012

Jumkie said:
I hate to disagree with Curve cause usually hes high as .... and the nicest guy to be around..But it was a racing incident as I see it. Just too much .... going on with Marc's save and Spargus overly enthusiastic hope that he could squeeze in. BUT...I'm not opposed to your suggestion Esperagus punch Margie. Though judging from Pol crying like a girl in the pit, it might look more like a faggoty flimsy wrist slap fest.

I just hate to disagree.... but in this case I kinda agree with you and Curve who are both stoned all the time.

I think it was a racing incident - but don't see why Pol shouldn't have stomped Marquez's ... just to be on the safe side.

chopperman · Jun 5, 2012

Mental Anarchist said:
I didn't see it as a racing incident. He went straight to the apex without looking leaving Pol no where to go. Is there no responsibility to look if another rider is there?

They need to penalise the guy so the other riders don't take it into their own hands. If I was Pol or Luthi I would be punting him off at the first chance without hesitation.

There's always one ! anybody with a brain cell could see that was a racing incident.

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