Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 13 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol oh please.

Excuse me, but has anyone said "Hayboy Sucks" in this post?

I just want to make sure we have the correct amount of balanced insults on here.

Oh yeah, Vale is God, Pedrosa is small, and Stoner did great, but will spend the next 3 races in the gravel.

Just gotta keep it equal folks, don't wanna upset anyone.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 13 2007, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excuse me, but has anyone said "Hayboy Sucks" in this post?

HAYBOY SUCKS.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 13 2007, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm laughing Pete because folk don't read posts properly.
Unfortunately, because of this, some friends upset themselves.


I sometimes think that if you put up a header saying "Hayboy is Crap" then put a post saying how good the guy actually is (and folks who read my posts would see that I do rate Hayboy) , somebody would get upset!

It's a funny old world Burky, BTW what is your trials iron? I had a Montesa in my younger days, great fun. Great hangover cure going up a burn on a trials bike. Good times.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 13 2007, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there are as many people out there who get off on Rossi 'losing'
me for instance

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 13 2007, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You could have said SOME fans. ALL fans? Now that's truly stupid. Winner is the first who crosses the line. Please give us some credit for more than one brain cell between the lot of us.
he said all believing, not all of u believing! bg ur yellow is leaching out...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2007, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So hayden did out ride rossi at mugello

In what sense are the two races comparable? I can't find it.
Or was there some other factors:
Did Hayden win with a massivly underpowered bike or totally ouclassing every one with a comparable bike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In what sense are the two races comparable? I can't find it.
Or was there some other factors:
Did Hayden win with a massivly underpowered bike or totally ouclassing every one with a comparable bike?

Well apparently Rossi performed better than Casey because he finished second on his slower bike, that is quite similar to the mugello 2006 script except that rossi came out on top.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Now I am truly offended. You could have said SOME fans. ALL fans? Now that's truly stupid. Winner is the first who crosses the line. Please give us some credit for more than one brain cell between the lot of us.

I wouldn't bother. Lot's of people here love to pretend not insulting you by putting the insult into a slightly different package like in this case: "
all believing Rossi fans". It's up to you and all other readers to define yourself into that category or not. The actual goal is clear; to insult as many as possible. There are three-four Rossi fans actually discussing this topic in more than a one-post opinion or mindless "Rossi is best". By using the "all believing" burky have full deniability to any of us feeling insulted, by just saying "I wasn't pointing at you". Meanwhile everyone is reading it differently. A very old and very simple trick to get things off-topic. Thats all there is to it really. It is much more fun to through around insults than actually arguing. If you can throw insults with deniability or get away with it through som clever words twisting the meaning, all the better.
I'm not totally innocent my self but usually it's a result of countless badly hidden insults from the other side first.

^^ I don't know. If I over reacted to a well-meant comment then I apologise. I didn't read it that way. But if Burky insists he wasn't being insulting then I'm willing to accept what he says. I don't want to blow things out of proportion. I guess I'm just having an awful crap day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 13 2007, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess I'm just having an awful crap day.
sorry to hear that bg. i'd gladly come over & cheer u up if i were on yer side of the pond. & i'm 6'2''

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't bother. Lot's of people here love to pretend not insulting you by putting the insult into a slightly different package like in this case: "
all believing Rossi fans". It's up to you and all other readers to define yourself into that category or not. The actual goal is clear; to insult as many as possible. There are three-four Rossi fans actually discussing this topic in more than a one-post opinion or mindless "Rossi is best". By using the "all believing" burky have full deniability to any of us feeling insulted, by just saying "I wasn't pointing at you". Meanwhile everyone is reading it differently. A very old and very simple trick to get things off-topic. Thats all there is to it really. It is much more fun to through around insults than actually arguing. If you can throw insults with deniability or get away with it through som clever words twisting the meaning, all the better.
I'm not totally innocent my self but usually it's a result of countless badly hidden insults from the other side first.
i think jumkies got u on edge fish. ur reading in more than is actually there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well apparently Rossi performed better than Casey because he finished second on his slower bike, that is quite similar to the mugello 2006 script except that rossi came out on top.

Thats your definition, not mine. While Stoner had a clearly much faster bike, Rossi's seamed to handle much better, we don't really know how much as handling involve in a higher degree of skill as well as pure bike performance.
But we assume it handled quite a bit better. That put them on an equal level as goes for lap time, but in a one to one situation the one with the power advantage stil have the over all advantage and will usually win as it is the easiest advantage to use to pass and stay in front of the other.

Regarding Mugello:
The power difference that rossi might have had, (i can't remember any)
was nowhere close to what we saw last weekend.

I have never claimed Rossi out rode stoner at Losail.

So on both accounts your "transfer of logic" fails. You can do better than that.

Good job to Casey Stoner. He rode an outstanding race!



Interesting how some of the posts here on this thread try to make something of the machinery regarding the second place guy, but when he wins, it’s hardly the reason given for the challengers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 13 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> sorry to hear that bg. i'd gladly come over & cheer u up if i were on yer side of the pond. & i'm 6'2''
i think jumkies got u on edge fish. ur reading in more than is actually there.

Maybe so, but there are an awful lot of "mindless cheerleader" comments about Rossi fans, while most of those active in the discussion, IMO, are not mindless. This has grown to such a degree that I now wonder if the opposite is the real issue:
There are so many pissed off by "Rossi's mindless cheerleaders", both the true ones and the not so true ones, that if they see any thing positive written about Rossi from any Rossi fan they are willing to go a long way to "prove" us wrong and of course we are all "mindless cheerleaders" or believers or think he is god or...
How we got there has probably something to do with the general "Is Hayden worthy" theme in a number treads and in so many publications and other forums.

Look, I generalized again


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good job to Casey Stoner. He rode an outstanding race!

Interesting how some of the posts here on this thread try to make something of the machinery regarding the second place guy, but when he wins, it’s hardly the reason given for the challengers.

Except stating the obvious there really isn't much of an issue. Just a few that can't see even that.
As far as the second guy goes he more often than not has had fight his battles on lesser machinery since '04, nothing new there. The enormous difference is new. New news are more fun than old news.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe so, but there are an awful lot of "mindless cheerleader" comments about Rossi fans, while most of those active in the discussion, IMO, are not mindless. This has grown to such a degree that I now wonder if the opposite is the real issue:
There are so many pissed off by "Rossi's mindless cheerleaders", both the true ones and the not so true ones, that if they see any thing positive written about Rossi from any Rossi fan they are willing to go a long way to "prove" us wrong and of course we are all "mindless cheerleaders" or believers or think he is god or...
How we got there has probably something to do with the general "Is Hayden worthy" theme in a number treads and in so many publications and other forums.

Look, I generalized again
You sound so defensive. Perhaps you feel guilty? If you are a "mindless cheerleader" its because it shows. If you are not, then don't worry about it. That's really for those you debate with to gather, true or not. Just because you say you are "not" a biased mindless cheerleaders doesn't make it true by the way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Except stating the obvious there really isn't much of an issue. Just a few that can't see even that.


2. As far as the second guy goes he more often than not has had fight his battles on lesser machinery since '04, nothing new there.
BTW I took the liberty of numbering the comments above:

It seems they are a bit contradictory.

#1 implies that the machinery was the reason for the win.

#2 Explicitly states that despite the machinery for the win.

The only difference was for whom the comment was made. Uhmm...
(just pointing out what might now seem obvious)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2007, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hmm, this is interesting. i guess the new formula could have led to factories engineering in different directions (big 250 / little 990). We'll have to see how the next few races go. I think the tire game will be more equal for sure.
Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about this, if it does prove to be the case [horses for corses]. Different approaches like this can throw up surprise race winners and keep the championship wide open. But in the last couple of years Valentino's Yamaha, the gaggle of Hondas and the Ducatis seemed to mix it up equally at the majoirty of tracks and that made for some great close racing. I'd hate to see the close racing disappear because of the 'individuality' (for want of a better word) of the new bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Mar 13 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about this, if it does prove to be the case [horses for corses]. Different approaches like this can throw up surprise race winners and keep the championship wide open. But in the last couple of years Valentino's Yamaha, the gaggle of Hondas and the Ducatis seemed to mix it up equally at the majoirty of tracks and that made for some great close racing. I'd hate to see the close racing disappear because of the 'individuality' (for want of a better word) of the new bikes.

That bit I emboldened...

Did you have a typo, or did you mean Corse as in Ducati? Or course as circuit?

If it was purposeful, well done, very well thought.