Well firstly i am sorry if i appeared to be rossi bashing, but don't worry about it in future. Secondly, i am not surprised that you guys didn't get mad about rossi losing untill someone dare say that rossi was responsible, at which point you pile in. And yes i was disapointed with Haydens performance, but i have no trouble saying he is repsonsible for his finish and that he got out ridden by 7 guys, and i enjoyed the race regardless.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Mar 12 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Changing gears slightly, does anyone think this year might see a more regimented return to tracks favouring one bike make over another (like the old Honda lanes at Hockenheim, etc)?
I don't think so. I think it will be similar to years past where you have the Ducatis strong at horsepower hungry tracks and tight, twisty circuits will allow for teams like Yamaha and Suzuki to really shine.
I don't think so. I think it will be similar to years past where you have the Ducatis strong at horsepower hungry tracks and tight, twisty circuits will allow for teams like Yamaha and Suzuki to really shine.
Casey was the best rider out there and deserved the win. He made no mistakes and Valentino conceded defeat with about a lap to go when it was clear Casey and the ducati as a pair were too quick.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 13 2007, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think so. I think it will be similar to years past where you have the Ducatis strong at horsepower hungry tracks and tight, twisty circuits will allow for teams like Yamaha and Suzuki to really shine.
Heh, that's kind of a yes, then, isn't it?
At least, it seemed to me that in the last year or two the track itself rarely entered the equation. At a fast track like Mugello you had Yamaha, Ducati and Honda all up there. Same at Sachsenring.
The only exceptions to that seemed to be tyre-based (i.e. Brno, Sepang, Motegi).
What we saw in Qatar suggests it could be otherwise this year at places like Mugello and Sachsenring to me.
Heh, that's kind of a yes, then, isn't it?
At least, it seemed to me that in the last year or two the track itself rarely entered the equation. At a fast track like Mugello you had Yamaha, Ducati and Honda all up there. Same at Sachsenring.
The only exceptions to that seemed to be tyre-based (i.e. Brno, Sepang, Motegi).
What we saw in Qatar suggests it could be otherwise this year at places like Mugello and Sachsenring to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Mar 12 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Heh, that's kind of a yes, then, isn't it?
At least, it seemed to me that in the last year or two the track itself rarely entered the equation. At a fast track like Mugello you had Yamaha, Ducati and Honda all up there. Same at Sachsenring.
The only exceptions to that seemed to be tyre-based (i.e. Brno, Sepang, Motegi).
What we saw in Qatar suggests it could be otherwise this year at places like Mugello and Sachsenring to me.
hmm, this is interesting. i guess the new formula could have led to factories engineering in different directions (big 250 / little 990). We'll have to see how the next few races go. I think the tire game will be more equal for sure.
At least, it seemed to me that in the last year or two the track itself rarely entered the equation. At a fast track like Mugello you had Yamaha, Ducati and Honda all up there. Same at Sachsenring.
The only exceptions to that seemed to be tyre-based (i.e. Brno, Sepang, Motegi).
What we saw in Qatar suggests it could be otherwise this year at places like Mugello and Sachsenring to me.
hmm, this is interesting. i guess the new formula could have led to factories engineering in different directions (big 250 / little 990). We'll have to see how the next few races go. I think the tire game will be more equal for sure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Mar 12 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Changing gears slightly, does anyone think this year might see a more regimented return to tracks favouring one bike make over another (like the old Honda lanes at Hockenheim, etc)?
its possable but one thing i noticed was how the riders ride the bike,they seem to ride very cleanly ,i saw no backing in or rear wheel steering on the corner exits, hayden rides very loose so i wonder if he is having to change his style. i think biaggi .... out this year as his style was very clean which is why he was a great 250 rider,i think these 800s would have suited his style, rossi has shown he can ride fast either way.
its possable but one thing i noticed was how the riders ride the bike,they seem to ride very cleanly ,i saw no backing in or rear wheel steering on the corner exits, hayden rides very loose so i wonder if he is having to change his style. i think biaggi .... out this year as his style was very clean which is why he was a great 250 rider,i think these 800s would have suited his style, rossi has shown he can ride fast either way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Mar 12 2007, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Coz I went and had my tea leave read on Friday, they told me too pick Carlos Checca for my fantasy team
I just dont believe Loris had the pace to do it I'm afraid
Oh, but he had the pace . Out of those 6 laps he completed the two last laps were faster than any of Stoners laps so far, and that was in traffic.
He had plenty pace just a troublesome start.
I just dont believe Loris had the pace to do it I'm afraid
Oh, but he had the pace . Out of those 6 laps he completed the two last laps were faster than any of Stoners laps so far, and that was in traffic.
He had plenty pace just a troublesome start.
some enjoyable reading! everybody was expecting a rossi/pedrosa battle. i guess nobody told stoner. was simply a brilliant ride. the battle was supreme & i enjoyed it to the fullest! i agree with sun about the track thing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 12 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>some enjoyable reading! everybody was expecting a rossi/pedrosa battle. i guess nobody told stoner. was simply a brilliant ride. the battle was supreme & i enjoyed it to the fullest! i agree with sun about the track thing.
oh yeah...... this is going to be 1 hell of a season methinks! as good as last years!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 12 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>some enjoyable reading! everybody was expecting a rossi/pedrosa battle. i guess nobody told stoner. was simply a brilliant ride. the battle was supreme & i enjoyed it to the fullest! i agree with sun about the track thing.
oh yeah...... this is going to be 1 hell of a season methinks! as good as last years!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Mar 12 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Heh, that's kind of a yes, then, isn't it?
At least, it seemed to me that in the last year or two the track itself rarely entered the equation. At a fast track like Mugello you had Yamaha, Ducati and Honda all up there. Same at Sachsenring.
The only exceptions to that seemed to be tyre-based (i.e. Brno, Sepang, Motegi).
What we saw in Qatar suggests it could be otherwise this year at places like Mugello and Sachsenring to me.
I suppose you're right. I'm just accustomed to Honda, Ducati and Yamaha being at the front at every race and when the conditions permit, Suzuki and Kawasaki joining in the fun. That's what I was trying to convey. But I think you might be right, there is likely going to be less parity between Honda, Ducati and Yamaha at every track. And with both Suzuki riders riding better than ever on the best Suzuki package since 2000, this year could be completely unpredicatble.
I was reading Mamola's column at the Alpinestars website last night and he was saying how important consistency is this season and I was thinking to myself: 'he's only saying that because it paid off for Hayden last year, this year will be a different situation.' But looking back now, after your post RS, you and Randy might be pretty dead on.
At least, it seemed to me that in the last year or two the track itself rarely entered the equation. At a fast track like Mugello you had Yamaha, Ducati and Honda all up there. Same at Sachsenring.
The only exceptions to that seemed to be tyre-based (i.e. Brno, Sepang, Motegi).
What we saw in Qatar suggests it could be otherwise this year at places like Mugello and Sachsenring to me.
I suppose you're right. I'm just accustomed to Honda, Ducati and Yamaha being at the front at every race and when the conditions permit, Suzuki and Kawasaki joining in the fun. That's what I was trying to convey. But I think you might be right, there is likely going to be less parity between Honda, Ducati and Yamaha at every track. And with both Suzuki riders riding better than ever on the best Suzuki package since 2000, this year could be completely unpredicatble.
I was reading Mamola's column at the Alpinestars website last night and he was saying how important consistency is this season and I was thinking to myself: 'he's only saying that because it paid off for Hayden last year, this year will be a different situation.' But looking back now, after your post RS, you and Randy might be pretty dead on.
I give full marks to Stoner for not crumbling under pressure from Rossi -- who seemed to try every trick he had. Stoner will be a force to reckon with if he does not crash out of races like he did last year.
Casey rode a brilliant race. Rossi rode a brilliant race. Done.
Its good for Yamaha/Rossi the first race was at such a high speed track. They now know the disadvantage of not having enough power is enough to cost them the race. Being able to hang in the draft should be enough as the Yamaha can brake so late. If they can pick up another 10kph before Turkey and China he should be in a better position to challenge on the straights.
Turkey and China are tracks Casey has won at, as was Qatar (250). Should be a good races!!
Its good for Yamaha/Rossi the first race was at such a high speed track. They now know the disadvantage of not having enough power is enough to cost them the race. Being able to hang in the draft should be enough as the Yamaha can brake so late. If they can pick up another 10kph before Turkey and China he should be in a better position to challenge on the straights.
Turkey and China are tracks Casey has won at, as was Qatar (250). Should be a good races!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think this is the most absurd thread I've ever seen in any forum.
I can hardly believe that we are actually discussing it at all.
What are you guys riding, wheelchairs? I must admit that I get really annoyed as a RR enthusiast and an ex RR-rider.
The Casey/Ducati package blew Rossi/Yamaha away but to even suggest that Casey was out-riding Rossi is nothing but hilarious. Get a grip guys, get some real world experience before you continue talking about something you obviously doesn't have a clue about. Sorry if you take offence but there are no other way to describe it. Wait, there is another possibility: This is not about Rossi fans making up excuses, this is about Rossi haters making up a race that never took place but in their twisted fantasy. Maybe just to wind up someone like me. If so you succeeded
But it is still absurd.
Final notice. I think Casey rode a very brilliant race, no misstakes and took the pressure, he just didn't outride Rossi.
I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.
I can hardly believe that we are actually discussing it at all.
What are you guys riding, wheelchairs? I must admit that I get really annoyed as a RR enthusiast and an ex RR-rider.
The Casey/Ducati package blew Rossi/Yamaha away but to even suggest that Casey was out-riding Rossi is nothing but hilarious. Get a grip guys, get some real world experience before you continue talking about something you obviously doesn't have a clue about. Sorry if you take offence but there are no other way to describe it. Wait, there is another possibility: This is not about Rossi fans making up excuses, this is about Rossi haters making up a race that never took place but in their twisted fantasy. Maybe just to wind up someone like me. If so you succeeded
But it is still absurd.
Final notice. I think Casey rode a very brilliant race, no misstakes and took the pressure, he just didn't outride Rossi.
I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.
As I can't be bothered to read through all of those posts. I'll just make this one statement if I may. Note that I haven't read every post so I don't know if the issue was settled.
1. Casey Stoner brilliantly won the race. That is my opinion. And I say brilliant because I didn't expect it considering the number of crashes he had last season. The fact that he stayed on the bike, stayed in front of Rossi, and won the race earns my respect.
2. Rossi was second. But it doesn't make him any less because of that. He also rode brilliantly. And even though (as a Rossi fan) I expected him to show his moves, what he did in the race still had me drooling.
3. Rossi fans may be guilty of belittling other riders when Rossi doesn't win, but (as far as I know) non-Rossi fans are also guilty of belittling Rossi sometimes. The crime goes both ways.
I do not think Rossi is god. and I as far as I am aware, I give credit where it is due. But sometimes, we are not aware that we are doing exactly what we are accusing others of. It's just a thought, and if you have some spare time, you could probably think it over.
Cheers guys!
1. Casey Stoner brilliantly won the race. That is my opinion. And I say brilliant because I didn't expect it considering the number of crashes he had last season. The fact that he stayed on the bike, stayed in front of Rossi, and won the race earns my respect.
2. Rossi was second. But it doesn't make him any less because of that. He also rode brilliantly. And even though (as a Rossi fan) I expected him to show his moves, what he did in the race still had me drooling.
3. Rossi fans may be guilty of belittling other riders when Rossi doesn't win, but (as far as I know) non-Rossi fans are also guilty of belittling Rossi sometimes. The crime goes both ways.
I do not think Rossi is god. and I as far as I am aware, I give credit where it is due. But sometimes, we are not aware that we are doing exactly what we are accusing others of. It's just a thought, and if you have some spare time, you could probably think it over.
Cheers guys!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Procession @ Mar 13 2007, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.
Nicely put. I genuinely like Valentino, but I'm not blinkered into thinking he is the only deserved race winner.
Interesting point for the all believing Rossi fans who claim Valentino always as the true winner,..........it's been 6 GP's since his last 'classified' victory.
Nicely put. I genuinely like Valentino, but I'm not blinkered into thinking he is the only deserved race winner.
Interesting point for the all believing Rossi fans who claim Valentino always as the true winner,..........it's been 6 GP's since his last 'classified' victory.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2007, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, but he had the pace . Out of those 6 laps he completed the two last laps were faster than any of Stoners laps so far, and that was in traffic.
He had plenty pace just a troublesome start.I guess you and I were the only ones that spotted that too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Procession @ Mar 13 2007, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.You know it, I know it, it's the way it'll always be, sadly. Why was it never like this when Doohan was champ?
He had plenty pace just a troublesome start.I guess you and I were the only ones that spotted that too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Procession @ Mar 13 2007, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.You know it, I know it, it's the way it'll always be, sadly. Why was it never like this when Doohan was champ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Procession @ Mar 13 2007, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.
I still don't see how you can say that. To me this is not about Rossi but just like you said; giving credit when it's due.
To me it looks like you and others that don't give credit to the other riders. Seems like you are all halleluiah over one rider winning or leading as long as it is the underdog.
Power differences like those we saw on Saturday are almost comparable to Superbike vs Supersport. It's simply not a match. If you fail to see that and use that in your evaluation of the riders performance I cant' see that as anything but behaving like a "mindless cheerleader" as Jumkie would have said.
I know by hart that I would have given anyone the same or more credit as I give Rossi for that position, considering the lack of power. If it was rossi winning that race with that power advantage I probably would give a number two following him more credit for being able to follow.
That is how twisted my credits are. If that's beeing a colorblind vale cheerleader, so be it.
I still don't see how you can say that. To me this is not about Rossi but just like you said; giving credit when it's due.
To me it looks like you and others that don't give credit to the other riders. Seems like you are all halleluiah over one rider winning or leading as long as it is the underdog.
Power differences like those we saw on Saturday are almost comparable to Superbike vs Supersport. It's simply not a match. If you fail to see that and use that in your evaluation of the riders performance I cant' see that as anything but behaving like a "mindless cheerleader" as Jumkie would have said.
I know by hart that I would have given anyone the same or more credit as I give Rossi for that position, considering the lack of power. If it was rossi winning that race with that power advantage I probably would give a number two following him more credit for being able to follow.
That is how twisted my credits are. If that's beeing a colorblind vale cheerleader, so be it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If it was rossi winning that race with that power advantage I probably would give a number two following him more credit for being able to follow.
So hayden did out ride rossi at mugello
So hayden did out ride rossi at mugello
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Procession @ Mar 13 2007, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been into RR for quite some time and I'd like to think I know a thing are too about Moto GP. What I saw on Sunday with Casey Riding the Duc was straight out young blistering talent. He didn't just out ride Rossi, he out road the entire paddock. I don't know if it will continue to be that way, even though I hope it does, but you Vale fans need to learn how to give credit where it's due.
oh you do, do you ?
oh he did, did he ?
and before you start griefing the Rossi fans - read the posts above.
cretin
oh you do, do you ?
oh he did, did he ?
and before you start griefing the Rossi fans - read the posts above.
cretin
^^+1 Geez!!!! I haven't seen ANY Rossi fan come on here and say Casey doesn't deserve credit for last week's win. Not one. The only thing anyone objected to was the 'outridden' comment. Nobody's trying to take anything away from Casey. Certainly not yours truly. The truth is there are as many people out there who get off on Rossi 'losing' ...ie coming anything less than first, as there are who get off on him winning.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 13 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicely put. I genuinely like Valentino, but I'm not blinkered into thinking he is the only deserved race winner.
Interesting point for the all believing Rossi fans who claim Valentino always as the true winner,..........it's been 6 GP's since his last 'classified' victory.
Now I am truly offended. You could have said SOME fans. ALL fans? Now that's truly stupid. Winner is the first who crosses the line. Please give us some credit for more than one brain cell between the lot of us.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 13 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicely put. I genuinely like Valentino, but I'm not blinkered into thinking he is the only deserved race winner.
Interesting point for the all believing Rossi fans who claim Valentino always as the true winner,..........it's been 6 GP's since his last 'classified' victory.
Now I am truly offended. You could have said SOME fans. ALL fans? Now that's truly stupid. Winner is the first who crosses the line. Please give us some credit for more than one brain cell between the lot of us.
