Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 13 2007, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its possable [horses for courses] but one thing i noticed was how the riders ride the bike,they seem to ride very cleanly ,i saw no backing in or rear wheel steering on the corner exits, hayden rides very loose so i wonder if he is having to change his style.
Yeah they did look like they were on rails for the most part. I thought I saw Stoner's looking a bit twitchy in mid-corner from time to time, presumably because of the rear brake.

Changing his style I think is the big thing for Hayden at the moment. Whenever you hear a rider talking about front end problems you know he can't ride the bike the way he wants to. I think Hayden will find a way, but I also think we could see a few crashes from him this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 13 2007, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think biaggi .... out this year as his style was very clean which is why he was a great 250 rider,i think these 800s would have suited his style
I think so too. I wonder if he's hoping that a WSBK crown (it's gotta happen first ) might be his ticket back to MotoGP. The only place I could see for him might be on one of the sattellite Hondas--but who'd take that chance?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You sound so defensive. Perhaps you feel guilty? If you are a "mindless cheerleader" its because it shows. If you are not, then don't worry about it. That's really for those you debate with to gather, true or not. Just because you say you are "not" a biased mindless cheerleaders doesn't make it true by the way.
Sure is, just remember that goes both ways regardless of what camp you belong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>BTW I took the liberty of numbering the comments above:

It seems they are a bit contradictory.

#1 implies that the machinery was the reason for the win.

#2 Explicitly states that despite the machinery for the win.

The only difference was for whom the comment was made. Uhmm...
(just pointing out what might now seem obvious)

Sorry, must be my english that isn't good enough. What was your point and in what regard?

Ah, I think I got it. Me saying the power difference were obvious and that Rossi has won often enough with lesser engine power?
Se post #135. I have repeated my self often enough in this tread.


It's a looong tread but to sum it up there is one single phrase at discussion here: "Vale got out ridden".
Tom think so, I don't.
I'm NOT saying Rossi was better, I'm just saying that what we saw doesn't qualify for that phrase. Not by far. I think they both had a brilliant race, and I'm truly happy that Stoner, that I have faith in, won the race.

Btw. Your two numbers here in this post and the general reason for this long tread both have this thing in common:
Ther is allways "one or the other", never "both" or "and"
You imply that becuse one often win with lesser machinery it must be bad riding if the same loose.
Quite a few seems to think that I don't know how to show respect where it's due. And that must be to the winner, never the winner and... That "and" seems to make me disrespectful to the winner.
I don't understand this.
Why must there allways be this one and only "truth"?
Seems like what you want to watch is boxing with KO instead?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Mar 13 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if he's hoping that a WSBK crown (it's gotta happen first ) might be his ticket back to MotoGP. The only place I could see for him might be on one of the sattellite Hondas--but who'd take that chance?
The only place I could see him is with Lucio Cecchinello's Honda squad. That's if they tire of Checa or find enough funding and approval from Honda for a second bike and that bike being occupied by Biaggi. I think it'd be more likely to see JT wind up on a Honda before Biaggi. Unfortunately for Biaggi, I think his GP career is over.

babel - you can talk til you're blue in the face mate.

'Tomkie' and the rest of the Rossi-haters are NEVER going to accept that the point in question is who out-rode who.......?

Nobody, as far as I can remember has had a bad word to say about Stoner, (although plenty did before this weekend. !) including the Rossi fans it's just that 'we' aren't blind.

We all saw who's bike was the fastest - but at the end of the day, that's not the whole story - Casey still had to ride it and ride it hard to get the win.

our point is (correct me if i'm wrong) - Casey did not "outride" Rossi - the statement may well have been off-the cuff remark by Tom but that's what he said and that's what we're arguing about.

Regardless - I'm done with this - it's boring

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Btw. Your two numbers here in this post and the general reason for this long tread both have this thing in common:
Ther is allways "one or the other", never "both" or "and"
You imply that becuse one often win with lesser machinery it must be bad riding if the same loose.
Quite a few seems to think that I don't know how to show respect where it's due. And that must be to the winner, never the winner and... That "and" seems to make me disrespectful to the winner.


I don't understand this.
Neither do I...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 13 2007, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>babel - you can talk til you're blue in the face mate.

'Tomkie' and the rest of the Rossi-haters are NEVER going to accept that the point in question is who out-rode who.......?
Haha, when somebody beats your boy straight up and calls it like it is they are "Rossi-haters". (Which by the way many of you have been crying about that this is what you want to see to offer your respect to the winning rider, but when it does happen, the denials come out in droves!) Yet the guy you are directing your comment to "babel" was pointing out that he feels he's being labeled a "mindless cheerleader"!? This is poetry.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Mar 12 2007, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We need to stop being armchair critics.

Unless we could go out there ourselves and do better, best we shut up and not put down riders who have more talent in their toe-nail clippings than we would ever hope to have?
Are you looking in a mirror when you say this?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 11 2007, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on guys!!!!!!!!
Two laps from home, and after setting the pace for the whole race Casey upped the pace and left Valentino to watch from a distance. Casey was the star today, not the Ducati, otherwise Loris would have been up there with him. Of course, Valentino had a superb race, and was the only one to put up a fight, but Casey showed he was pacesetting throughout with a little bit left in the bag.
So please guys, when somebody other than Vale wins, it might just be because they were actually better on the day.
Burky you are such a Stoner mindless cheeleader! It had nothing to do with Stoner, it was all the bike. Don't you know the Ducati has this new gizmo that rides itself?

That last lap where Stoner pulled away and set that lap was a Figment of your imagination. That is the only solution I could come up with from the two possible options: 1. Stoner was faster. "or" 2. Rossi cruised around and didn’t challenge for the win to ride around smart and get the points on the last lap.


Of those two options, neither of them makes sense. Just ask many of the posters here who argued this point regarding the World Champ. He wouldn’t cruise around, never!!! Certainly not to get points.

Oh wait, it had nothing to do with Stoner, it was the bike that pulled away (even before the final straight).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 13 2007, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>babel - you can talk til you're blue in the face mate.
What makes you think it's not allready blue
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Regardless - I'm done with this - it's boring

I agree, all there is to say is allready said, times over. About time to give it a rest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 13 2007, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think it's not allready blue
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I agree, all there is to say is allready said, times over. About time to give it a rest.
Ah, that sucks, just when I was getting warmed up.

Just watched the post race press conference and do you reckon crashy had a bet with somebody as to how many times he could say "y'know"?
I counted at least 10

Or have we got an insight as to why he crashes so much?

guess I'm just being mean y'know. he was probably just nervous what with his first win y'know.

Not that it matters,but the 4 Ducatis were the fastest of all the bikes with Barros recording the fastest trap speed of the race.
http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_new..._id=3&section=1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 13 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> sorry to hear that bg. i'd gladly come over & cheer u up if i were on yer side of the pond. & i'm 6'2''
You wouldn't manage but you could try

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That last lap where Stoner pulled away and set that lap was a Figment of your imagination. That is the only solution I could come up with from the two possible options: 1. Stoner was faster. "or" 2. Rossi cruised around and didn’t challenge for the win to ride around smart and get the points on the last lap.
For those on both sides of camp here. Isn't it possible that Stoner was faster (regardless of top speed, Ducati etc.) AND Rossi cruised to salvage points. There were times last year where perhaps he should have cruised but pushed it a bit over the line. This year he looks to be making no such mistakes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't you know the Ducati has this new gizmo that rides itself?
oh ....! u let the cat outa the bag now jumkie! stoner is the robot not dani!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 13 2007, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For those on both sides of camp here. Isn't it possible that Stoner was faster (regardless of top speed, Ducati etc.) AND Rossi cruised to salvage points. There were times last year where perhaps he should have cruised but pushed it a bit over the line. This year he looks to be making no such mistakes.
I have'nt waded through all 8 pages so if I repeat anyones thoughs I'm sorry.

Casey rode a fantastic race start to finish as did Vale. Casey hung tough and used the power to get the lead back on the straight after Vale passed and started to make a lil' ground. He did everything right with the best rider in the world hounding him the whole race. Rossi knew he could'nt match the outright speed of the Duc ..... I think after the first lap WE all knew that. I'm sure Vale had more in reserve than Casey but he could'nt use it to make a gap large enough in one lap to negate the pit straight speed that Casey had at his disposal.

Bottom line? Casey had to use that power wisely and not loose his cool in order to win. He'd didn't let the pressure get to him and won the race. As far as Casey kicking Vale's ... .... watch the race again and you'll see it didn't happen in such a fashion. He won a battle of race with smarts, talent and a awsome motorcycle. I applaud you Casey Stoner!

SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 13 2007, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bottom line? Casey had to use that power wisely and not loose his cool in order to win. He'd didn't let the pressure get to him and won the race. As far as Casey kicking Vale's ... .... watch the race again and you'll see it didn't happen in such a fashion. He won a battle of race with smarts, talent and a awsome motorcycle. I applaud you Casey Stoner!

SS
Are you feeling ok? It sounded like you were praising somebody other than Rossi. (Or do I have it wrong, you just hate on Nicky).

Only one correction, uhm, from my vantage point (in front of the TV) it sure did look like Stoner "kicked Vale's ...", but in case of doubt, the final positions chart confirmed this. Stoner kicked everybody’s ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you feeling ok? It sounded like you were praising somebody other than Rossi. (Or do I have it wrong, you just hate on Nicky).

Only one correction, uhm, from my vantage point (in front of the TV) it sure did look like Stoner "kicked Vale's ...", but in case of doubt, the final positions chart confirmed this. Stoner kicked everybody’s ....
yup stoner sure kicked haystacks ... into the middle of next week,but so did half the grid.haha he really did suck didnt he.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 13 2007, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yup stoner sure kicked haystacks ... into the middle of next week,but so did half the grid.haha he really did suck didnt he.
Yeah, well at least he didn't send his bike into the gravel, unlike the last time your boy was riding "mid pack". Uhm...when was that?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Mar 12 2007, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whats puzzling me in this thread - is that if the win was down to bike power more than rider ability, how come Capirossi wasnt in the top three?

Casey rode a flawless race -
Worth quoting you here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2007, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i wont leave it as "im wrong" as i and so it would seem many other forum member in this thread believe where right and your wrong. rather than trying to be clever why dont you just offer uip some facts as to what you believe rossi was "out ridden".
Code for: I have nothing...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Mar 12 2007, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's out-riding right there, I defy anyone to tell me it ain't. Right Fish, you and me, carpark, now

The speed of the Ducati was a huge advantage or the lazy Yamaha was a huge disadvantage, whatever way you want to look at it. If you guys check back over last year, the fastest bike in a straight line was rarely the bike that won the race. It sure helps but there's an awful lot more to it than that, that's what we saw on Saturday. It could be a problem as the year goes on at certain places unless Yamaha and Rossi/Burgess sort it out. I've read that Rossi stated the Yamaha suffered in agility when set up for stability under extreme braking. Rossi was braking harder than anyone on Saturday so maybe that's the chance Yamaha took, aware of how fast the Ducatis were, though I'd guess they were caught out by the pace Stoner maintained and increased towards the end of the race.

But it doesn't matter. I'd be spouting the same stuff if Pedrosa, Hopkins, Capirossi or whoever won in similar circumstances. So would the Rossi fans, yes thats a dig and second place is the first of the losers, and if you're a big fan of anyone, it's hard to see them lose. Thing is, Vale has a lot of die-hard supporters so it'll always be like this.
Agree with you here. I kinda remember somebody doing pretty good on a bike that was 14th fastest. Hey, maybe we should look into this, perhaps it was an unfair advantage, eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 13 2007, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh you do, do you ?

oh he did, did he ?

and before you start griefing the Rossi fans - read the posts above.

cretin

Babel, seems to share the same sentiment as most Rossi fans. It's pretty sad because Rossi is the most graceful winner and loser i've seen in any sport period. A good majority of his fans should learn that from him instead of acting like they just lost a hard fought race themselves, Cretin. Get off your high horse, just because I'm from the States and have like 10 posts on this forum doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to GP racing. Prat!