Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well firstly i am sorry if i appeared to be rossi bashing, but don't worry about it in future. Secondly, i am not surprised that you guys didn't get mad about rossi losing untill someone dare say that rossi was responsible, at which point you pile in. And yes i was disapointed with Haydens performance, but i have no trouble saying he is repsonsible for his finish and that he got out ridden by 7 guys, and i enjoyed the race regardless.
Haha, there you go apologizing again. Why? To who? The people who just can't stand it when somebody says something objective about their boy? Please man. You are killing me. You have had one of the most fair and balanced takes on this, and as you may have noticed, you got some support from some other posters who could hardly be called "bias" on this thread. Even when Rossi himself says something like he “surrendered/gave-up” to mean he raced smart, they don’t accept it. There’s a few on here that I take to task when they write some mindless crap. They fiercely don’t like it. So what do they do when somebody else says something they don’t like, well they begin to come ups with cute names like “Tomkie”. Which interestingly; I found to be a compliment after reading your takes. Me and you have had our disagreements, unlike those with the pre-disposed notions about their boy Rossi. Those that have taken issue with you sayin in effect that he got beat, brought on a drove of mindless cheerleaders that as usual, are in lock step! Its laughable and I love to see them struggle to make sense out of a non-win by their master. Which to us, and the rest of the normal world, see Rossi as a great rider, who is human, and gets beat from time to time (even when the demise is of his own doing as it was last year).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 12 2007, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no - he rode flawlesly on clearly the fastest bike in the world - if he'd won on evenly matched bikes (like they will be soon no-doubt), then you could say he out rode the rest of them - i can't say anymore without sounding like i'm pissing on Caseys bonfire.

he won rode a perfect race and won fair and square
I guess it's hard to imagine Rossi getting beaten after all the races he has won by putting pressure on the rider in front until he makes a mistake .
Casey didn't make a mistake , that made the difference, both riders are a credit to motoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 04:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, there you go apologizing again. Why? To who? The people who just can't stand it when somebody says something objective about their boy? Please man. You are killing me. You have had one of the most fair and balanced takes on this, and as you may have noticed, you got some support from some other posters who could hardly be called "bias" on this thread. Even when Rossi himself says something like he “surrendered/gave-up” to mean he raced smart, they don’t accept it. There’s a few on here that I take to task when they write some mindless crap. They fiercely don’t like it. So what do they do when somebody else says something they don’t like, well they begin to come ups with cute names like “Tomkie”. Which interestingly; I found to be a compliment after reading your takes. Me and you have had our disagreements, unlike those with the pre-disposed notions about their boy Rossi. Those that have taken issue with you sayin in effect that he got beat, brought on a drove of mindless cheerleaders that as usual, are in lock step! Its laughable and I love to see them struggle to make sense out of a non-win by their master. Which to us, and the rest of the normal world, see Rossi as a great rider, who is human, and gets beat from time to time (even when the demise is of his own doing as it was last year).

Well put RaceJ. It's really funny to see how Rossi fans take losing way worse then Rossi himself. Rossi is all about giving credit to his fellow racers that have bested him. (as rare as it is) Rossi's fans act more like Biaggi in sportsmanship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 13 2007, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For those on both sides of camp here. Isn't it possible that Stoner was faster (regardless of top speed, Ducati etc.) AND Rossi cruised to salvage points. There were times last year where perhaps he should have cruised but pushed it a bit over the line. This year he looks to be making no such mistakes.

right on

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you feeling ok? It sounded like you were praising somebody other than Rossi. (Or do I have it wrong, you just hate on Nicky).

Only one correction, uhm, from my vantage point (in front of the TV) it sure did look like Stoner "kicked Vale's ...", but in case of doubt, the final positions chart confirmed this. Stoner kicked everybody’s ....
Feeling fine .... I can praise a good strong performance as well as a piss poor one. Nicky has never impressed me or made me want to cheer for him ..... I don't feel excitement when I watch him.

I never was into Pro Basketball until this guy named Jordan came along .... I'm not into now really but still enjoy it. I always loved MX and not so much RR ..... amazing how one guy can change the face of a sport and bring it into the limelight. Winners have that ability.

Perception of a ... kicking varies I guess. 2 guys go 15 rounds in a knock down drag out brawl and it's decided with a tko in the 15th doesn't qualify as a ... kickin in book ... more like a damn good fight with a deserving winner.

SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 14 2007, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, depends if one guy is constantly ahead, with the other just getting in a few punches, then with 30 seconds to go the unscathed hero pops the Champ on his arse!!!!!

ONLY KIDDING!!!!!!!!
Just a bit of fuel for Jumkie!

Sadly that analogy actually fits a bit better than ssiperko's..

..but it was still a damn good fight!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, there you go apologizing again. Why? To who? The people who just can't stand it when somebody says something objective about their boy? Please man. You are killing me. You have had one of the most fair and balanced takes on this, and as you may have noticed, you got some support from some other posters who could hardly be called "bias" on this thread. Even when Rossi himself says something like he “surrendered/gave-up” to mean he raced smart, they don’t accept it. There’s a few on here that I take to task when they write some mindless crap. They fiercely don’t like it. So what do they do when somebody else says something they don’t like, well they begin to come ups with cute names like “Tomkie”. Which interestingly; I found to be a compliment after reading your takes. Me and you have had our disagreements, unlike those with the pre-disposed notions about their boy Rossi. Those that have taken issue with you sayin in effect that he got beat, brought on a drove of mindless cheerleaders that as usual, are in lock step! Its laughable and I love to see them struggle to make sense out of a non-win by their master. Which to us, and the rest of the normal world, see Rossi as a great rider, who is human, and gets beat from time to time (even when the demise is of his own doing as it was last year).

What rossifumi forum do you pick up all this "inspiration" from?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 14 2007, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What rossifumi forum do you pick up all this "inspiration" from?
Much of it from you. And the crew you run with like Rogete'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2007, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well apparently Rossi performed better than Casey because he finished second on his slower bike, that is quite similar to the mugello 2006 script except that rossi came out on top.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2007, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes it looks now like a very smart move now. But back in contract time last year, things would have looked different. Put in the decision between HRC and Ducati, almost every rider in the championship would have chosen HRC, and rightly so because of their record in the past and the things they can do.

In what Hayden did a great job at Mugello ’06 was to keep up with Capirossi and Rossi, being 3th so close at a track they know better without a doubt. But not that the Honda was underpowered though… you said it yourself at another post and now: “on his slower bike, that is quite similar to the Mugello 2006”. Tom, Honda was more powerful than Yamaha in ’06, you can’t deny that, I quote you twice. Not as much difference as the Duke now but still you also said every rider would have picked Honda meaning it was a better bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 13 2007, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good job to Casey Stoner. He rode an outstanding race!
Interesting how some of the posts here on this thread try to make something of the machinery regarding the second place guy, but when he wins, it’s hardly the reason given for the challengers.

Explains why most riders have preferred Honda or now Ducati over Yamaha. Plus no other rider in the last few years since Biaggi has managed to win with ‘Not the best bike’ Yamaha. Meaning it is not as easy to win or keep up with it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 13 2007, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only place I could see him is with Lucio Cecchinello's Honda squad. That's if they tire of Checa or find enough funding and approval from Honda for a second bike and that bike being occupied by Biaggi. I think it'd be more likely to see JT wind up on a Honda before Biaggi. Unfortunately for Biaggi, I think his GP career is over.

I recall Biaggi pissing off Honda… So ‘If’ and only ‘If’ he comes back on my view is a Kawa…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 13 2007, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicely put. I genuinely like Valentino, but I'm not blinkered into thinking he is the only deserved race winner.
Interesting point for the all believing Rossi fans who claim Valentino always as the true winner,..........it's been 6 GP's since his last 'classified' victory.

Rossi (5 not 6 so far)
# - Position - Race - Date
Won - 1 - Sepang - Sep 10, 06
1 - 3 - Phillip Island - Sep 17, 06
2 - 2 - Motegi - Sep 24, 06
3 - 2 - Estoril - Oct 15, 06
4 - 13 - Ricardo Tormo - Oct 29, 06
5 - 2 - Losail - Mar 10, 07

Hayden:
# - Position - Race - Date
Won - 1 - Laguna Seca - Jul 23, 06
1 - 9 - Brno - Ago 20, 06
2 - 4 - Sepang - Sep 10, 06
3 - 5 - Phillip Island - Sep 17, 06
4 - 5 - Motegi - Sep 24, 06
5 - DNF - Estoril - Oct 15, 06
6 - 3 - Ricardo Tormo - Oct 29, 06
7 - 8 - Losail - Mar 10, 07

Pedrosa:
# - Position - Race - Date
Won - 1 - Donington - Jul 02, 06
1 - 4 - Sachsenring - Jul 16, 06
2 - 2 - Laguna Seca - Jul 23, 06
3 - 3 - Brno - Ago 20, 06
4 - 3 - Sepang - Sep 10, 06
5 - 15 - Phillip Island - Sep 17, 06
6 - 7 - Motegi - Sep 24, 06
7 - DNF - Estoril - Oct 15, 06
8 - 4 - Ricardo Tormo - Oct 29, 06
9 - 3 - Losail - Mar 10, 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 15 2007, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In what Hayden did a great job at Mugello ’06 was to keep up with Capirossi and Rossi, being 3th so close at a track they know better without a doubt. But not that the Honda was underpowered though… you said it yourself at another post and now: “on his slower bike, that is quite similar to the Mugello 2006”. Tom, Honda was more powerful than Yamaha in ’06, you can’t deny that, I quote you twice. Not as much difference as the Duke now but still you also said every rider would have picked Honda meaning it was a better bike.

Haydens bike was 14th fastest through the Mugello speed traps, thats pretty awful. When not suffering from chatter that bike was better than Nicky's without a doubt. And my coment about people chosing honda was regarding the begining of a new era, not the form of the 2006 machines.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Much of it from you. And the crew you run with like Rogete'

If thats the case you really should read the posts again. I have no problem, read my lips, no problem about casey winning the race, I'm pleased with that, and pleased with Rossis second. It's not about not accepting Rossi not winning, it is as some of your crew said, about giving credit where credit is due. My issue are with people on the forum that don't recognice a fine fight with to racers doing a equally good on very different machinery, with different strong sides. What Rossi says is mostly right but as he's smarter than you give him credit for, all acknowledgement of Stoner reflect equally weel back on him. That both make him look like a grasious sportsman and no lesser rider.
But I realize this not at all the issue here. This is not at all about analysing the race. You have so far as I have seen donne little but patting others shoulders for what they've written, and taking every single oportunity to kick in the general Rossi fan direction.
It's quite sad that an otherwise knowledgeable forum member sink as deep as doing little but fishing for cheap points and AOL all others in the same religious circle. I thought you could do better than that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 15 2007, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If thats the case you really should read the posts again. I have no problem, read my lips, no problem about casey winning the race, I'm pleased with that, and pleased with Rossis second.
i have not read any posts that take anything away from stoners win and neither has jumkie. he just trys to fish,but dont let him get to you. he will come out with these off the cuff statments from time to time ,espessially on threads with loads of posts because he nows a lot of people wont read all of the posts or by the time they get to the end will have forgoten who said what,so he plays on this fact, if he really has something he will quote,you can be sure of that.
jumkie is a true haydonette.
how to spot a haydonette, they defend there mans piss poor performance by not mentioning it,just bashing rossi and his fans,its called missdirection and jumkie is the master.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 15 2007, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i have not read any posts that take anything away from stoners win and neither has jumkie. he just trys to fish,but dont let him get to you. he will come out with these off the cuff statments from time to time ,espessially on threads with loads of posts because he nows a lot of people wont read all of the posts or by the time they get to the end will have forgoten who said what,so he plays on this fact, if he really has something he will quote,you can be sure of that.
jumkie is a true haydonette.
how to spot a haydonette, they defend there mans piss poor performance by not mentioning it,just bashing rossi and his fans,its called missdirection and jumkie is the master.

It just struck me as sendt the post the he must be really grumpy by Haydens performance. I guss I should just ignore his Rossi fan bashing til it is over. Sad thing though that chances are that he well be grumpy all season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 15 2007, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It just struck me as sendt the post the he must be really grumpy by Haydens performance. I guss I should just ignore his Rossi fan bashing til it is over. Sad thing though that chances are that he well be grumpy all season.
i recon you may be right there

VHMP01 is right. If you say SINCE...then it's only been 5. Sorry for being pedantic again. But it's you who's making a case out of this. When counting a time lapse you have to start from zero. As you might understand it better with an example it hasn't yet been a year SINCE Hayden was deservedly crowned champion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haydens bike was 14th fastest through the Mugello speed traps, thats pretty awful. When not suffering from chatter that bike was better than Nicky's without a doubt. And my coment about people chosing honda was regarding the begining of a new era, not the form of the 2006 machines.

Still no other rider has won on it for several years now and most riders prefer to take a Honda ride ('04, '05, '06, '07 no matter) that means a bit and tells us something from the bike too… (If not a lot from the bike)…



PS. And are your saying now that if any rider in ’07 had a chance to change they would mostly pick Yamaha?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 15 2007, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>VHMP01 is right. If you say SINCE...then it's only been 5. Sorry for being pedantic again. But it's you who's making a case out of this. When counting a time lapse you have to start from zero. As you might understand it better with an example it hasn't yet been a year SINCE Hayden was deservedly crowned champion.

Thanks Bikergirl, I guess we count alike!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 15 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Calm down, could be 7 in a fortnight!
now your just being silly mate !
jerez is in the bag. ill put 10 bob on it