Casey Stoner Rumors, Still sick

The claim that valentino has subsequently caused stoner to mentally disintegrate and hence stoner's 2007 title does not really count seems to be the latest orthodoxy to explain that valentino did not really lose the championship that year.

As I recall the initial story was that the gp07 was a magical traction controlled bike that rode itself and hence stoner himself had not really beaten valentino and deserved no credit; resisting this obvious truth showed casey's bad attitude. Oddly nobody now seems to think the bike is all that easy to ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 11 2009, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everyone I am sorry to say the fun police is back. Fun time is over.

Relax man you are the one who brought up aids not me. I was just making light of another overly ridiculous professor kesha comment. You need to grow a sense of humor as bad as cs needs to grow a set of balls. But I guess asking an old dog to learn new tricks is probably asking a lot.

And I have added something constructive, but you were probably climbing the Himalayas or some .....
text u l8r fish.

The real problem is that - you're just not funny. It's pretty clear that in your mind
you think you're Curve JR. But you're not. Not even close. Curve says .... that on the
surface seems crude and drunkenly loutish, but he's been around a long time and has
shown himself to be really discerning and he has a kind of Don Rickles knack for saying
the right thing at the right time. Clearly you'd like to think you're following in his footsteps,
but you're deluded. Every time I read one of your insight-free attempts at humor I am
reminded of a quote from Iceberg Slim about posers:

"You little pissy, green-... ....... You a pimp? You can't spell pimp. You couldn't make a pimple on a pimp's ...."

You always manage to miss the point of every discussion. You just go
around indiscriminately making assholic jokes about things you don't understand at
totally inappropriate times; just shooting off your mouth for no good reason other than
you like to see your latest moronic comment on the page. You got an itchy trigger finger
and when you're not busy shooting yourself in the foot, you're shooting blanks.

Gardner is a tool.
Great rider in his day, but looses his .... when he is out of the media spotlight for too long, and has to come out with some controversal statement about someone.
In Gardners eyes, no one will ever be as good as he was.
I bet a few on here had different opinions of him when he was dishing .... on Rossi.

Maybe Gardner is trying to cover for his prediction that Stoner would be WC in 2009;
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...mp;R=EPI-103590

Sad ..... Gardner, like so many celebs, can't handle not being in the limelight
when prime-time has passed, and will say the most embarrassing .... any time
someone puts a microphone in front of their face.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 12 2009, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gardner is a tool.
Great rider in his day, but looses his .... when he is out of the media spotlight for too long, and has to come out with some controversal statement about someone.
In Gardners eyes, no one will ever be as good as he was.
I bet a few on here had different opinions of him when he was dishing .... on Rossi.

Maybe Gardner is trying to cover for his prediction that Stoner would be WC in 2009;
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...mp;R=EPI-103590

I don’t know Gardner, but the controversial peace of that same Article from Motorcycle News, is that because at the time Gardner ‘Believes’ Stoner would have come back strong for the 2009 Title Chase, most comments in there talk great about his words. English speaking News Discussion or Forum, so Lorenzo or Pedrosa were like not even there.

As in Spanish speaking Forums, where most comments revolve around whatever Lorenzo or Pedrosa do or do not achieve, elevating them most of the don’ts. I guess Gardner spoke highly of Stoner and in that Article almost everyone agrees he was right and telling the truth. Today he speaks low, and now he is the worst commentator to have an opinion. Which by the way, and as I tried to point out, is the same that happens in Forums from Spain about Lorenzo and Pedrosa. Right now Lorenzo has been the best Rider ever, Pedrosa or Stoner are like nobodies, if you read the Forum comments (and even news) from Spain. And all the professional commentators that were Spanish ‘tools’, now are the best informed ‘Doctorates’ on the matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 12 2009, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The real problem is that - you're just not funny. It's pretty clear that in your mind
you think you're Curve JR. But you're not. Not even close. Curve says .... that on the
surface seems crude and drunkenly loutish, but he's been around a long time and has
shown himself to be really discerning and he has a kind of Don Rickles knack for saying
the right thing at the right time. Clearly you'd like to think you're following in his footsteps,
but you're deluded. Every time I read one of your insight-free attempts at humor I am
reminded of a quote from Iceberg Slim about posers:

"You little pissy, green-... ....... You a pimp? You can't spell pimp. You couldn't make a pimple on a pimp's ...."

You always manage to miss the point of every discussion. You just go
around indiscriminately making assholic jokes about things you don't understand at
totally inappropriate times; just shooting off your mouth for no good reason other than
you like to see your latest moronic comment on the page. You got an itchy trigger finger
and when you're not busy shooting yourself in the foot, you're shooting blanks.


Now that .... is funny, fishy. But I seemed to have missed your point? And how it relates to motogp? Could you clarify it for me? Oh I see it's just and old ... man giving me .... and trying his best to insult me. Maybe your sense of humor is a little before my time there Old man River. But silent films don't make for good forum jokes, so I am going to have to stick to my Chris Rock/Dave Chappelle style comedy(fyi those are comedians from the new millennium). But I guess by the sound of it I am not trying hard enough. I don't know why you include some really dated rap music but here is a little rap quote from eminem for your pleasure:

"Skip pity do bop, skip pity be, sunny bono skis horses and hittin' some trees. How many ....... will listen to me?"

But hey, other people think I am funny I have a full pm box every week to prove it. So hate on hater.

Not sure why some are using Gardner & Schwantz's comments to pad or defend their arguments. There comments were very mild and not that controversial--its the tabloid style heading that they use to fool people into thinking its more than it is, and judging from the reactions it seems to have worked! Gardner & Schwantz are simply saying its odd for a rider to take off some races and not have a solid diagnosis from a doc. What is so incredible about that? What makes them a “tool” as somebody here said for them saying what they did? They are simply speculating like everybody else. I don’t see what’s the big deal since even Casey himself has said he doesn’t know where the illness came from but simply that it something he’s dealing with. They do not hate on Casey, they are simply not privy of what is going on and they are speculating too. They don’t say Casey is lying they are simply saying its out of the ordinary, they also speculate it might be derived from pressures, which is frankly possible indirectly to his training regiment. He simply overstrained because of the pressure of staying on top and his body needed a respite to regain strength. The training regiments are so much more technical now days and it doesn’t strike me as too unusual for overtraining to happen. I think way too much is being made of Gardner & Schwantz comments.

On a side note, if this was caused by overtraining (which I’m inclined to believe), then this should be a clue as too how committed Stoner is to the sport. So much so that he actually hurt his body trying to stay on top. That’s not a “mental” issue, that’s simply a human body going over its limit. Another point is, even Casey’s detractors know that if he was missing from the sport it would diminish it, so imagine had he not taken a rest to heal and he ends his career prematurely, that would be a greater loss.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 12 2009, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another point is, even Casey’s detractors know that if he was missing from the sport it would diminish it, so imagine had he not taken a rest to heal and he ends his career prematurely, that would be a greater loss.
thats the point that so many cannot/will not grasp. better to lose him for 3 races than the rest of this and subsequent seasons.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 12 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don’t know Gardner, but the controversial peace of that same Article from Motorcycle News, is that because at the time Gardner ‘Believes’ Stoner would have come back strong for the 2009 Title Chase, most comments in there talk great about his words. English speaking News Discussion or Forum, so Lorenzo or Pedrosa were like not even there.

As in Spanish speaking Forums, where most comments revolve around whatever Lorenzo or Pedrosa do or do not achieve, elevating them most of the don’ts. I guess Gardner spoke highly of Stoner and in that Article almost everyone agrees he was right and telling the truth. Today he speaks low, and now he is the worst commentator to have an opinion. Which by the way, and as I tried to point out, is the same that happens in Forums from Spain about Lorenzo and Pedrosa. Right now Lorenzo has been the best Rider ever, Pedrosa or Stoner are like nobodies, if you read the Forum comments (and even news) from Spain. And all the professional commentators that were Spanish ‘tools’, now are the best informed ‘Doctorates’ on the matter.
I am not quite sure what your point is, but you seem to be suggesting that spanish fan forums have quite a few contributors who have a bias towards spanish riders, and that stoner fans have a bias towards stoner. You on the other hand whilst happy to believe anything negative about stoner but nothing positive I presume have no bias and are just pointing out the truth. Interesting .

There actually has been a little more in the australian general press lately about motogp mainly relating to stoner's health issues but usually bike racing is a minority sport which gets little coverage, even when stoner was winning in 2007 and none to my knowledge critical of rossi or proclaiming stoner his equal, although I would not appear to read the same press as talpa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 12 2009, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The real problem is that - you're just not funny. It's pretty clear that in your mind
you think you're Curve JR. But you're not. Not even close. Curve says .... that on the
surface seems crude and drunkenly loutish, but he's been around a long time and has
shown himself to be really discerning and he has a kind of Don Rickles knack for saying
the right thing at the right time. Clearly you'd like to think you're following in his footsteps,
but you're deluded. Every time I read one of your insight-free attempts at humor I am
reminded of a quote from Iceberg Slim about posers:

"You little pissy, green-... ....... You a pimp? You can't spell pimp. You couldn't make a pimple on a pimp's ...."

You always manage to miss the point of every discussion. You just go
around indiscriminately making assholic jokes about things you don't understand at
totally inappropriate times; just shooting off your mouth for no good reason other than
you like to see your latest moronic comment on the page. You got an itchy trigger finger
and when you're not busy shooting yourself in the foot, you're shooting blanks.

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%The Palooka takes another shot!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 12 2009, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The real problem is that - you're just not funny. It's pretty clear that in your mind
you think you're Curve JR. But you're not. Not even close. Curve says .... that on the
surface seems crude and drunkenly loutish, but he's been around a long time and has
shown himself to be really discerning and he has a kind of Don Rickles knack for saying
the right thing at the right time. Clearly you'd like to think you're following in his footsteps,
but you're deluded. Every time I read one of your insight-free attempts at humor I am
reminded of a quote from Iceberg Slim about posers:

"You little pissy, green-... ....... You a pimp? You can't spell pimp. You couldn't make a pimple on a pimp's ...."

You always manage to miss the point of every discussion. You just go
around indiscriminately making assholic jokes about things you don't understand at
totally inappropriate times; just shooting off your mouth for no good reason other than
you like to see your latest moronic comment on the page. You got an itchy trigger finger
and when you're not busy shooting yourself in the foot, you're shooting blanks.

Wait just a darn minute there...... Curve, funny? Did I miss something?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 12 2009, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now that .... is funny, fishy. But I seemed to have missed your point? And how it relates to motogp? Could you clarify it for me? Oh I see it's just and old ... man giving me .... and trying his best to insult me. Maybe your sense of humor is a little before my time there Old man River. But silent films don't make for good forum jokes, so I am going to have to stick to my Chris Rock/Dave Chappelle style comedy(fyi those are comedians from the new millennium). But I guess by the sound of it I am not trying hard enough. I don't know why you include some really dated rap music but here is a little rap quote from eminem for your pleasure:

"Skip pity do bop, skip pity be, sunny bono skis horses and hittin' some trees. How many ....... will listen to me?"

But hey, other people think I am funny I have a full pm box every week to prove it. So hate on hater.

<u>Insert photo of boy with foot in mouth.</u>


That's a question you should no doubt be asking yourself a lot. I'm sure you get lots of fanmail from other ........ At least you know who your contemporaries are.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 12 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wait just a darn minute there...... Curve, funny? Did I miss something?

Do you ever not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 12 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don’t know Gardner, but the controversial peace of that same Article from Motorcycle News, is that because at the time Gardner ‘Believes’ Stoner would have come back strong for the 2009 Title Chase, most comments in there talk great about his words. English speaking News Discussion or Forum, so Lorenzo or Pedrosa were like not even there.


V, to try to put it into perspective, Gardner is the only recent (read - last 25 years or so) motorcycle champion produced by Australia who seems to be easily contactable by various media outlets for comments (as opposed to Magoo/Beattie who work in the media).

WG has always been one for controversial comments, even having been quite critical of Doohan during MD's dominance going so far as to claim much credit for bike development and opening of doors for MD (the door thing does have credence).

Since then, WG has been critical of all of Australias later talents (CV, West, CS, TB although less os in TB's case etc), sometimes with a level of justification, other times with what sounds as attention seeking comments.

Given the time of year, in relation to the MGP at PI and also the V8 Bathurst it is a time when WG always pops up again with comments to try to get the bikes more attention than they would get at normal times (bikes receive very little press in this country).

As for the 'believable vs the bad' comments, well many people make them and they allude to a bias depending on your view (refer recent comments regarding Rossi's alleged comments at Estoril). For mine, WG actually does seek attention and will make inflammatory comments deliberately but as I have experienced and heard from many within the racing scene, he is not as 'bad' as he plays up sometimes.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 12 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure why some are using Gardner & Schwantz's comments to pad or defend their arguments. There comments were very mild and not that controversial--its the tabloid style heading that they use to fool people into thinking its more than it is, and judging from the reactions it seems to have worked! Gardner & Schwantz are simply saying its odd for a rider to take off some races and not have a solid diagnosis from a doc. What is so incredible about that? What makes them a “tool” as somebody here said for them saying what they did? They are simply speculating like everybody else. I don’t see what’s the big deal since even Casey himself has said he doesn’t know where the illness came from but simply that it something he’s dealing with. They do not hate on Casey, they are simply not privy of what is going on and they are speculating too. They don’t say Casey is lying they are simply saying its out of the ordinary, they also speculate it might be derived from pressures, which is frankly possible indirectly to his training regiment. He simply overstrained because of the pressure of staying on top and his body needed a respite to regain strength. The training regiments are so much more technical now days and it doesn’t strike me as too unusual for overtraining to happen. I think way too much is being made of Gardner & Schwantz comments.

Jum, not sure but we may well be on the same page - god, I even thought I posted something in here but it may well have been another forum so will try to remember it.

I don't have a problem with any past rider passing comments regarding the 3 race break, as they are in a position to understand what this means in terms of team impacts, championship impacts and also the stresses in making such a decsision.

But I do think that when they start to discuss the cause of the issue that has required the break, then it steps into dangerous territory as they are only surmising based on heresay etc, but being who they are their words are given a bit more credence than many journalists.

In the case of Schwantz (if I recall the article correctly) he does allude to the problem being mental and made a comment along the lines of 'when one loses the focus to leave a team is wrong as you have a contract etc' (paraphrasing from memory only).

This type of comment I can fully understand CS getting pissed about as has been said, primarily because KS apparently made no efforts to contact CS or his team (including Ducati), but moreso because KS himself walked away from a contract mid season never to return (admittedly injury played it's part). This is the reason why I do believe that CS is pissed with KS as there may well seem a bit of pot-kettle-black in the alluding to a mental moreso than physical injury causing the break.

As for WG, he has never really been an outright fan of CS (nor really any Aussie racers) and is prone to making inflammatory comments at times although I tend to think some comments he means, some he is trying to get the profile of the sport in mainstream papers.

But, yes, both riders (and many before/since) have rights to comments on the sheer angst that making such a decision would have caused them.

But to be fair (and throw in a controversial comment for open discussion) is it fair to judge a modern rider against those from the era of KS/WG/MD/Rainey/Lawson etc?

I mean, when one mentions that CS is more old school in his approach (ie. personality) it is said that today's rider should be more like VR and more open to media etc, so why do they need to be 'as tough' as older riders?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 12 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On a side note, if this was caused by overtraining (which I’m inclined to believe), then this should be a clue as too how committed Stoner is to the sport. So much so that he actually hurt his body trying to stay on top. That’s not a “mental” issue, that’s simply a human body going over its limit. Another point is, even Casey’s detractors know that if he was missing from the sport it would diminish it, so imagine had he not taken a rest to heal and he ends his career prematurely, that would be a greater loss.

Geez Jum, where have you been.

The problem was diagnosed in this forum some time ago and you now want to believe what seems to be a general medical consensus, god man, get with the times.

Besides, how much over training can one do by eating candy, whilst playing playstation, whilst porking his hot woman, whilst vomiting into his helmet, whilst falling from his tricycle as he cries about being beaten by a three year old at monopoly (edit: Oops, I also forgot to add that he is doing all this while getting sand in his ...... as he kicks the toys from the sandbox at his feet - sorry).






Gaz

Cool gaz great stuff, if only you could give us your satirical take on the vr detractors ........ as well, might not be enough room though!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 12 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>V, to try to put it into perspective, Gardner is the only recent (read - last 25 years or so) motorcycle champion produced by Australia who seems to be easily contactable by various media outlets for comments (as opposed to Magoo/Beattie who work in the media).

WG has always been one for controversial comments, even having been quite critical of Doohan during MD's dominance going so far as to claim much credit for bike development and opening of doors for MD (the door thing does have credence).

Since then, WG has been critical of all of Australias later talents (CV, West, CS, TB although less os in TB's case etc), sometimes with a level of justification, other times with what sounds as attention seeking comments.

Given the time of year, in relation to the MGP at PI and also the V8 Bathurst it is a time when WG always pops up again with comments to try to get the bikes more attention than they would get at normal times (bikes receive very little press in this country).

As for the 'believable vs the bad' comments, well many people make them and they allude to a bias depending on your view (refer recent comments regarding Rossi's alleged comments at Estoril). For mine, WG actually does seek attention and will make inflammatory comments deliberately but as I have experienced and heard from many within the racing scene, he is not as 'bad' as he plays up sometimes.






Gaz
I understand wayne is a very nice bloke in person, more so than some others to which you having I gather met most of them have sometimes alluded.

My irritation with wayne's public comments well predates stoner's career, and I have posted concerning this prior to casey's current travails; it seems many australian fans agree with me including you to an extent. If anything I think he is more positive about casey than he has been about others. I was a huge fan when he was racing, and I have never understood why someone with his unquestionable record both of achievement and toughness, arguably not far short of kevin schwantz's level, feels the need to continually hark back to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 13 2009, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cool gaz great stuff, if only you could give us your satirical take on the vr detractors ........ as well, might not be enough room though!!
Detracting from valentino and detracting from some of his fans are not necessarily the same thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 13 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference between detracting from valentino and detracting from some of his fans.

Sadly I think such folk believe they are: very well known to Rossi, married to Rossi, live with Rossi, Rossi's closest confidante, the one who taught Rossi all he knows, as good as Rossi ( by pure adoption of fandom), and the worst ....... some believe they are Rossi ( all of them in their sleep I'm sure ..... but sadly some whilst they are awake )


As I've said before the constant sooking and whinging at anything Stoner does is merely a reflection of how good the guy really is, he's the one who is actually ruining their personal fantasy, even Rossi himself shows admiration of Stoner ( to his credit and the real reason many see him as a truly great rider )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 12 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was a huge fan when he was racing, and I have never understood why someone with his unquestionable record both of achievement and toughness, arguably not far short of kevin schwantz's level, feels the need to continually hark back to it.
I think you're reading waaaaay too much into their comments. 98% of it was positive on Stoner. 2% was simply them stating their perplexity about the whole situation. Yes, their comments have more weight then the simple spectator, but if you read them carefully, they are no more stating their speculation about this than anybody else. Lets put this in a bit of perspective, the fact of the matter is, on Casey's own admission, that the cause of his illness has been an enigma. So them charaterizing it as a "mystery" is not far off the mark. Their comments are way far from the self professed physiologists and physicians here telling us that Casey's illness is a farce or simply caving to pressure. You're talking like Gardner/Schwantz called Casey a ..... or a liar. Sure, there commentary on the subject is not the tone of an advocate like say a Stoner family member would have, but its not as damning as you're making it sound. They are not saying its fake. Again, they are not harking back in a self patronizing tone either, as at least Schwantz has said today is a different time and realizes that the pressures today are enormous. Honestly, the most provocative part of their comments is the heading some perfidious journalist with knack for lurid sensationalism attached to the story. I think the person that deserves most lambasting is the Marlbmoron that demanded Stoner apologize.