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Burgess: No panic over Rossi test pace

next year prediction:



1.Rossi 310



2.Pedrosa 260

3.Hayden 240

3.Spies 205

4. Lorenzo 202

5.Stoner 200



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"Hate, hate hate!!" You know what I hate? I really HATE people that use apostrophes when they are not appropriate!
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You and Chops use the damn things with every plural. Please stop!
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Thank you.



-The Grammar Nazi





I must admit that I found JB's excuse list entertaining. The fact that he feels the need to list so many 'reasons' indicates he and God Rossi are feeling a little heat over the issue.



At least it gives us something to yap about. Racin Deprivation Syndrome (RDS) is a .....!



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Apostrophes eh... so that's what those things are.
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Not sure that article is as pro Rossi as you might believe.



Sure it says wait, be calm, etc. etc. But the end result is it does give many possible excuses for why Rossi did not perform on the Ducati. And that is the real problem at hand. And it isn't fixed yet and things are looking glum. But possible reasons are just that ...... possible.



I personally don't buy the "shoulder is causing it", mainly because the performance we saw was just to attrociuous compared to Rossi on the Yamaha. But I might buy into the argument that trying to ride the Ducati wasn't good for Rossi's shoulder.
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But all that aside, the combination of Rossi and the Duc. is not good.



Next year will tell us more.





Oh and PS. I bet Ducati is panicking like never before at this point in time. "JB's" article smacks of simillar calls of "don't panic", or "stay calm", as the Titanic sank ....... which is generally when such calls are uttered
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Eg. Lets just look for calls of "don't panic" from the Stoner/Honda ship .......... nope ...... nobody seems to be having to call for panic there ......... theres a reason for that
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Rossi on the Duc. is the new Titanic ....... thats about how its looking.



The man is now a historian....
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Yes, but why define Stoner as an anti-Rossi function? Stoner is Stoner. A unique rider, a natural talent that has few equals in history (I keep naming Mike Hailwood when I try to define Stoner's uncanny skill in riding a bike). But Stoner does not race to 'debunk' any myth, he races to win, like all the others. Destroying Rossi, that's a function assigned to him by Rossi haters, but it's just wishful thinking, or virtual reality.
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The assertions like 'wiping the floor' etc. belong to captive fans, or boppers, as you like to say, of both camps. The two riders for all their rivalry respect each other much more, they'd never venture into such silly statements.



For me, the only regret is that Rossi and Stoner are not the same age. So we will see them riding together for only a few years, and never both in their prime. Thank you god anyway, for both of them.
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You guys need to put the raging paranoia to bed. Nobody here wants to see Rossi fail. That's a myth you all have created.

Rossi is a great rider and his presence is great for the sport. When the time comes for him to leave MGP - he will be missed

by all. To call anyone who speaks objectively about Rossi as "a hater" is akin to the ........ smokescreen that the Bush

administration used every time an objective person pointed out the absence of WMDs - which was "Oh - you hate the troops!"



The other parallel would be the politicians in Iran. Every time someone wants to know why the country

is pumping out millions of barrels of oil each day and continues to be dirt poor - the politicians who won't

give an honest answer cry out. "Look! Over there! Someone is insulting The Prophet! Time to end the

discussion and go protest and burn flags! Pay no attention to the economy!"



It's a tiresome ploy that only the objective-phobes believe is a viable distraction from hard truths.

Wah wah wah! They hate Rossi!
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It makes you sound like 12-year old Justin Biber fan-clubbers.

Just once it would be nice if you just stuck to the discussion without the use of this tiresome device.





A century from now MGP historians will be paraphrasing the old joke about the lost tribes;



Q. Why were the Boppers in the desert for 40 years?



A. They were searching for Rossi's lost dignity.
 
I wonder why Stoner always does only short runs in the practice. He knows Ducati very well, so he does not need to do long runs to set up the bike? Or, he is naturally fast straight away, and it may be just his style. But then, he did long run on Honda. He even did 16 lap long run on the first day. On the second day, he did 8-10 lap runs constantly. It makes me wonder if Ducati is more physically demanding bike than others.
 
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.



Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?





These are the best & most fair racing series that there can be, give everyone the same .... & let them set up & race the damn car or bike to the best of their respective abilities.



Oh & yes Rossi would still come out on top, with Stoner & Nicky in very close company.
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These are the best & most fair racing series that there can be, give everyone the same .... & let them set up & race the damn car or bike to the best of their respective abilities.



Oh & yes Rossi would still come out on top, with Stoner & Nicky in very close company.
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This.
 
hey..if rossi somehow wins the championship this year..will people start saying the ducati's the best bike on the grid? lol
 
Yes, but why define Stoner as an anti-Rossi function? Stoner is Stoner. A unique rider, a natural talent that has few equals in history (I keep naming Mike Hailwood when I try to define Stoner's uncanny skill in riding a bike). But Stoner does not race to 'debunk' any myth, he races to win, like all the others. Destroying Rossi, that's a function assigned to him by Rossi haters, but it's just wishful thinking, or virtual reality.
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The assertions like 'wiping the floor' etc. belong to captive fans, or boppers, as you like to say, of both camps. The two riders for all their rivalry respect each other much more, they'd never venture into such silly statements.



For me, the only regret is that Rossi and Stoner are not the same age. So we will see them riding together for only a few years, and never both in their prime. Thank you god anyway, for both of them.
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Whatever spin you put on Rossi,s record, you at least redeem yourself by recognising Caseys talent, something which Talpa and other boppers are reluctant to do. Its interesting watching criticism of Casey over the years by Rossi fans. I remember seeing comments from the likes of Chopperman, Jazcat etc, who originally subscribed to the, then rampant theories (especially in the UK), that caseys wins were solely due to the superfast self-riding Ducati, but who then over the years, gradually and to a degree stubbornly, been forced to accept a real talent in Casey. Then a new generation arrives at this forum and go through the same process. I can see in a few posts above, that this process is repeating itself. However, some people seem extremely resistant to accepting evidence and cling to their original bias. Adaptable as a brick wall some say. I call them Talpatrons.



I don,t despair about the generational difference because this process will always occur, and in Lorenzo I am seeing an extraordinary talent as well. As much as I was annoyed by utterances from Lin Jarvis that Rossi and Lorenzo are the worlds two best riders, it would be equally unfair to dismiss Lorenzo in this discussion. I see the Stoner- Lorenzo rivalry to come , as one of the greatest rivalries ever seen in the sport. More akin to the Rainey-Doohen rivalry that we saw all too little of. Pedrosa appears to be a little off their talent and Spies and Simoncelli may challenge, but there is not enough evidence yet that they will challenge the future top 2. Jrno-what is your take on Lorenzo- you rarely mention him.
 
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Whatever spin you put on Rossi,s record, you at least redeem yourself by recognising Caseys talent, something which Talpa and other boppers are reluctant to do. Its interesting watching criticism of Casey over the years by Rossi fans. I remember seeing comments from the likes of Chopperman, Jazcat etc, who originally subscribed to the, then rampant theories (especially in the UK), that caseys wins were solely due to the superfast self-riding Ducati, but who then over the years, gradually and to a degree stubbornly, been forced to accept a real talent in Casey. Then a new generation arrives at this forum and go through the same process. I can see in a few posts above, that this process is repeating itself. However, some people seem extremely resistant to accepting evidence and cling to their original bias. Adaptable as a brick wall some say. I call them Talpatrons.



I don,t despair about the generational difference because this process will always occur, and in Lorenzo I am seeing an extraordinary talent as well. As much as I was annoyed by utterances from Lin Jarvis that Rossi and Lorenzo are the worlds two best riders, it would be equally unfair to dismiss Lorenzo in this discussion. I see the Stoner- Lorenzo rivalry to come , as one of the greatest rivalries ever seen in the sport. More akin to the Rainey-Doohen rivalry that we saw all too little of. Pedrosa appears to be a little off their talent and Spies and Simoncelli may challenge, but there is not enough evidence yet that they will challenge the future top 2. Jrno-what is your take on Lorenzo- you rarely mention him.



I see this as the crunch year for Pedro. He's appeared to be bloody fast on occasion, but there's been no other "alien" on equal equipment to measure him by.
 
i wouldn't count him out yet...

one thing's for certain though..this is going to be the most interesting season of the past few years
 
Knowone knows anything until Qatar, simple.



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"Whatever spin you put on Rossi,s record, you at least redeem yourself by recognising Caseys talent, something which Talpa and other boppers are reluctant to do. Its interesting watching criticism of Casey over the years by Rossi fans. I remember seeing comments from the likes of Chopperman, Jazcat etc, who originally subscribed to the, then rampant theories (especially in the UK), that caseys wins were solely due to the superfast self-riding Ducati, but who then over the years, gradually and to a degree stubbornly, been forced to accept a real talent in Casey"



I was one of those who doubted Casey's true talent as its something you dont see very often, an entire field decimated in such reckless bandon
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And yes i did say at the time although not on here that i thought he had an advantage & he most certainly did but like ive said before he still had to ride the thing - the thing that otheres had tried to ride & couldnt.



Im not getting all excited about the test on the Honda as it is a bike most like his good ole screamer Ducati so you would expect him to go well.



I think Chopps said it somwhere that maybe his only problem is that he reaches the limit straight away & then doesnt move forward too much more. Personally i dont think he knows how to ride any different as he was the same when i was watching here in the UK many years ago, but hey scaring the living daylights out of ya fellow competitors has worked before so is likely to work again!!



Brong On 2011, but please leve the bitchin till closer to the start guys.
 
casey's a real talent..dude's a freak lol! he has a unique ability of getting the most out of the bike at such a short time (like a lap or so)..i don't think anyone else on the grid is capable of that.

i will say this though, in 2007, he did have an advantage, at least early on. watching the catalunya race (a classic by the way), he was pulling away from rossi even though rossi was in his slip stream. in the same token, that race showed how much fight casey is willing to partake in. he would not let rossi get the advantage on him. judging from that race alone, it's hard to criticize stoner as being mentally fragile.



ANYHOO! i expect pedrosa to outride him on the honda this year...that's just a prediction....don't shoot me lol
 
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Whatever spin you put on Rossi,s record, you at least redeem yourself by recognising Caseys talent, something which Talpa and other boppers are reluctant to do. Its interesting watching criticism of Casey over the years by Rossi fans. I remember seeing comments from the likes of Chopperman, Jazcat etc, who originally subscribed to the, then rampant theories (especially in the UK), that caseys wins were solely due to the superfast self-riding Ducati, but who then over the years, gradually and to a degree stubbornly, been forced to accept a real talent in Casey. Then a new generation arrives at this forum and go through the same process. I can see in a few posts above, that this process is repeating itself. However, some people seem extremely resistant to accepting evidence and cling to their original bias. Adaptable as a brick wall some say. I call them Talpatrons.





Yes the furry myth creature has come out again, just as your namesake you are quite scarce, especially when someone crashes alot........but tend to make appearances when the sun is shining



And to the contrary, I've always proclaimed that Stoner is a very good rider, just not a likable chap. So your theory is once again rather misguided, that's ok I don't mind assisting the elderly as I know life can be quite confusing once one gets to a certain age......
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