Burgess: No panic over Rossi test pace

bigt46 · Nov 17, 2010

I don’t agree that the Valencia test for Valentino was useless because he was well of the pace. He was running around only a second or 2 off race pace and he was getting data data data.

Alex Briggs said Rossi kept going and going even with a failing body to give them the feedback they needed. They gave the engineers a long list and the mechanics will be at the Ducati factory in December bike building...

They are up for the challenge, let’s wait and see what they come up with.

rossiofsky · Nov 17, 2010

Geonerd said:
"Hate, hate hate!!" You know what I hate? I really HATE people that use apostrophes when they are not appropriate!

You and Chops use the damn things with every plural. Please stop!

Thank you.

-The Grammar Nazi

I must admit that I found JB's excuse list entertaining. The fact that he feels the need to list so many 'reasons' indicates he and ~~God~~ Rossi are feeling a little heat over the issue.

At least it gives us something to yap about. Racin Deprivation Syndrome (RDS) is a .....!

I dont want to use apostrophes, I,m sorry, but sometimes i think i have to. theyr such a pain. i dont do it intentionally, my English knowledge isn't enough for these things, that's why. and i'll appreciate it to be corrected for my English faults, of cource in a positive way, like you just did.

Some times a word is like this and these are easy, but some other's

are like this and i dont know them or i forget them.

I just found something about "others" and "other's" , It says both are correct, but i,m not so sure about the "hater's"

These kind of words maybe are also a reason for my mistakes.

Grammar - other's or others'

http://en.allexperts.com/q/General-Writing-Grammar-680/2009/6/Grammar-other-others.htm

Jumkie · Nov 17, 2010

Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

J4rn0 · Nov 17, 2010

Jumkie said:
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

I answered that in another post.

In any spec series, with bikes equally unknown to all, Stoner would win the first race and the second as well, unless he crashes of course.

In following races, you would see Pedrosa, Rossi and Lorenzo gaining ground and challenging Stoner more and more. Stoner may feel the pressure then and make some mistake. In the end, any of these four could win the title. My favorite would still be Rossi in the long run.

But if the spec bike is a very difficult one, like the Ducati, then it would be Stoner all the way.

Talpa · Nov 17, 2010

Jumkie said:
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

Good question, that really depends on the spec bike and spec rubber.........If it was an M1 or a Honda then Rossi, if it was a Ducati in current Stoner development state then they would all end up in the sand pit!!

Jumkie · Nov 17, 2010

J4rno, Talps, fair enough. But Melandri was never able to wrap his mind around the Duc. I think his best was a 6th (or something near there). Talps, you would really give Rossi the advantage on a Honda? Who know, we are only speculating of course, as we did before Rossi tested the Ducati. Remember something like this? Yeah, if Rossi and Stoner were on the same bike, Rossi would wipe the floor with him. Well, I think we just got a glimpse of that at Valencia. Rossi is awesome, I think you guys view that more than me, but Stoner has dismantled many myths some people believed about him.

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2010

Jumkie said:
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

On the same machine? ......... the only data we have shows that Rossi is slower than Lorenzo by several points in a WC, and almost 2 seconds a lap slower than Stoner per lap.

Bunyip · Nov 17, 2010

Jumkie said:
J4rno, Talps, fair enough. But Melandri was never able to wrap his mind around the Duc. I think his best was a 6th (or something near there). Talps, you would really give Rossi the advantage on a Honda? Who know, we are only speculating of course, as we did before Rossi tested the Ducati. Remember something like this? Yeah, if Rossi and Stoner were on the same bike, Rossi would wipe the floor with him. Well, I think we just got a glimpse of that at Valencia. Rossi is awesome, I think you guys view that more than me, but Stoner has dismantled many myths some people believed about him.

+1

Thats the big conclusion from the tests

Anders · Nov 17, 2010

Jumkie said:
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

Stoner would win,as he seems to be an expert on riding around the troubles with a bike,just as long as he knows what it will do.Lorenzo and Spies seems quite good at riding round problems too.(Either that or Lorenzo had a very good setup from the start just about every Fridaysession this year.)

Rossi's job this test was the complete opposite,as i understand it.Find every little thing that's disturbing more or less and bring it forward so we can see it.And then change it.

I think this is a reason why Preziosi's and Burges's positive comments about the test might be somewhat sincear and not just politics/saving face.

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2010

Bunyip said:
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+1

Thats the big conclusion from the tests

But it also backs up a lot of what folk have said about Stoner, especilly those in the paddock. I think the "myths" came from the boppers, and even now I wouldn't say that the valencia "eye-opener" or "sledgehammer education" has got very far with some

The "myths" will never die for them

rossiofsky · Nov 17, 2010

michaelm said:
I make no bones about being a stoner fan, but I think I have a fair record on here of not hating rossi, particularly in 2007 when things were not going his way, during the great "tyre war " discussion of that year and this year when I have always said his injuries are significantly impairing him; I may in fact be in a position to have a better informed opinion than you on the latter subject.

I have already confessed to a tiny bit of rossi/jb hating on the valencia testing issue on the other thread; I did think their comments about stoner not pushing hard enough earlier in the year and the implication that the ducati's problems could be promptly fixed by those more competent than stoner and his team such as themselves were a little snide, and this statement by jb does seem to acknowledge that things may be a little more complex than he had thought, in addition to rossi clearly being impeded by his shoulder as is quite obvious to all.

I have to also confess that my comment to which you replied was snide itself; what can I say, the devil made me do it

. You do imo as is not uncommon sometimes confuse posters on the forum being irked by holier than though posts from some rossi fans with hating rossi himself. I admit that the doubts cast on rossi's injuries are unjustified and do constitute hating, but the volume and virulence of such comments were greatly exceeded by comments from your side of the fence when stoner was injured and ill, to the extent that such attitudes more generally when he had his illness last year went close to totally derailing his career.

First, I never mentioned Stoner, and i dont know how he came in this suject, or what he had to do with it anyway. The interview is about Rossi and his new team(or maybe you took that idea from my comment to Barry , that he better should be worry for Stoner)

second, I had posted this interview before in another thread, and Barry had already showed up, so i knew they will show up here too, and i wasn't wrong, was i?

Some of my comments about Rossi has also a bit to do with the same feelings that you explained, and they were not towrds any specifiek person, those who take time for them, Usually are expecting or waiting for a chance like this, and more or less are doing the same things.

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2010

Anders GUZZI said:
I think this is a reason why Preziosi's and Burges's positive comments about the test might be somewhat sincear and not just politics/saving face.

Where are the "positive comments"?

Preziosi outright said they went "bad" and JB is calling for calm ( a sign of panic for sure

)

rossiofsky · Nov 17, 2010

Tom said:
I don't think many of us are in a state of panic. I can see why JB would make these comments, the media will be after a some drama for the offseason and this is sure to be a big talking point. But around here at least most people seem to have expected Rossi to go better on the first Ducati test, but still think the necessary hard work will get done and both Rossi and Ducati will turn up to the next test in much better shape. Even those who hope it all falls appart for Valentino can't realistically deduce that he wont be at the front next year, they just like to antagonize the Rossi fans and put themselves in a position to say 'told you so' if they turn out to be right

Well said. +1

rossiofsky · Nov 17, 2010

Jumkie said:
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

I do, he will win more often as he has done before.

rossiofsky · Nov 17, 2010

BarryMachine said:
Where are the "positive comments"?

Preziosi outright said they went "bad" and JB is calling for calm ( a sign of panic for sure

)

Why are you in shock then?

you should be right about this again, after all you were the first one who was sure about JB and his move to Honda, and since it all became true, we should take your word for it again.

tlrwinder · Nov 17, 2010

Personally, I have faith in the JB/VR combo.

Once they figure out a way to get more weight on the front end to get more heat in the tire, it will lead the path to more front end feel.

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2010

rossiofsky said:
Why are you in shock then?

No shock here, what shock? There's no sense being shocked, whats done is done, the results are out.

I don't get you at all?

Perhaps its a cultural thing, but where is the shock?

J4rn0 · Nov 18, 2010

Jumkie said:
J4rno, Talps, fair enough. But Melandri was never able to wrap his mind around the Duc. I think his best was a 6th (or something near there). Talps, you would really give Rossi the advantage on a Honda? Who know, we are only speculating of course, as we did before Rossi tested the Ducati. Remember something like this? Yeah, if Rossi and Stoner were on the same bike, Rossi would wipe the floor with him. Well, I think we just got a glimpse of that at Valencia. Rossi is awesome, I think you guys view that more than me, but Stoner has dismantled many myths some people believed about him.

Yes, but why define Stoner as an anti-Rossi function? Stoner is Stoner. A unique rider, a natural talent that has few equals in history (I keep naming Mike Hailwood when I try to define Stoner's uncanny skill in riding a bike). But Stoner does not race to 'debunk' any myth, he races to win, like all the others. Destroying Rossi, that's a function assigned to him by Rossi haters, but it's just wishful thinking, or virtual reality.

The assertions like 'wiping the floor' etc. belong to captive fans, or boppers, as you like to say, of both camps. The two riders for all their rivalry respect each other much more, they'd never venture into such silly statements.

For me, the only regret is that Rossi and Stoner are not the same age. So we will see them riding together for only a few years, and never both in their prime. Thank you god anyway, for both of them.

Gaz · Nov 18, 2010

Jumkie said:
Interesting, so Ducati have their assignments. Improve the bike, so Rossi can be Rossi.

Ah how I wish this was a spec series, something like the Rookies Cup. I wonder who would be the best rider for real, and not the rider with the most commanding influence in the sport. Who here thinks with everything being equal, that Rossi would beat Stoner or Lorenzo?

Jum, just to throw a further confusing factor (via a question)

Do you define a 'spec bike and series' as one being the same the same bike (make/model) ridden by the same rider for the entire series, or the same bike (via make/model) being ridden or assigned randomly (ie. key from a bucket)?

Asking as personally I suspect that the results would be greatly varied either way

Gaz

Talpa · Nov 18, 2010

Jumkie said:
J4rno, Talps, fair enough. But Melandri was never able to wrap his mind around the Duc. I think his best was a 6th (or something near there). Talps, you would really give Rossi the advantage on a Honda? Who know, we are only speculating of course, as we did before Rossi tested the Ducati. Remember something like this? Yeah, if Rossi and Stoner were on the same bike, Rossi would wipe the floor with him. Well, I think we just got a glimpse of that at Valencia. Rossi is awesome, I think you guys view that more than me, but Stoner has dismantled many myths some people believed about him.

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