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Burgess interview (on Stoner, Honda and the gearbox) / Casey Interview (on Honda, the move from Duca

That's why magazines are dying. Because they don't realize that having a great content-rich website will not kill off your magazine. Autosport has a very successful magazine, and a very successful website. The two work side by side because they have great writers and great content in both the magazine and on the website. In fact, they'd be even more successful if they removed the paywall for everything except their results database.



Excuse the rant, sore point.

To some extent I agree with you, but I must admit that I haven't bought a paper copy of Autosport in years. I buy several car and bike mags every month, so it's not a case of only getting net based info for me, but when Autosport hit £3 per week for very little content about 10 or 12 years ago I stopped buying it. No idea what they charge for it now, even.



I would agree about removing the paywall - the last paper based Autosports I bought did not have particularly good articles and so I don't worry about not being able to see the current articles behind the paywall. If, however, I could see articles from the mag after a week or two on the website and found them to be informative and well written (as is my opinion on AMCN) then I might at least find out what the current cost of the paper based Autosport is. Maybe even buy a copy or two....



Shows up the truism that it is very easy to lose customers and much harder to get them to come back, but that the internet is a possible way to improve that statistic if approached correctly. I used to read The Times Online. Now they charge I don't bother. Most news is available elsewhere for free. Same for the race newsy bike/car mags unless they do something different.
 
NProbs Cang and others etc

i see you posted just some of the content

looking at it some of it just dont seem seem to flow and or be right as others have said.

as i said in my first post on this thread

if im wrong fair dues there will be a pic going up of humble pie
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Articles as discussed...



Cheers



Cangaceiro
 

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You are the man Cang. Your reputation is intact (assuming you just didn't fake publish that article and make it look like a magazine).
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EDIT: I love the fact they have a picture of Casey fishing. I hope it was Casey's idea to do that. Its like a big FU to all his detractors!
 

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Cang! Thanks for taking the time to type it out man, I so enjoyed that interview. Good to see Burgess eating a bit of humble pie. (And just as Burgess said the gearbox thing is not the silver bullet Boppers are hanging their hat on to discount the Hondas, I'm sure they will find some other way of rational-lies their boy looking as good as other "ordinary" Ducati riders). I have no doubt Casey is more special than Valentino Rossi, who up until now has been touted the undisputed standard,( or should I say, the unexposed supposed standard.) Stoner could have been easily considered the GOAT by now if he'd been on a decent Japanese machine. He still has time though, and if Honda keep him happy, he should win them several titles. I can't wait for MotoGP to return to order, a man's sport, rather than the clown circus its become thanks to look-at-me productions typical of the riders more interested in their brand than the sportsmanship the sport deserves. But hey, when you have an element of people swallowing teen-band theatrics, Dorna was more than happy to cash in and keep the good times rolling for them to the point of compromising the intergrity of the competition. This may be a thing of the past, as we have Stoner & Spies, who are serious riders and title contenders. Even when Pedro wins, he hasn't been programmed to make these freakish shows (I suppose its enough he is a freak). Sure, Lorenzo is still a contender, but I think much of his productions were spawned by an element of mocking Rossi. If I'm wrong, I hope those that accuse him of being a copy cat will have him now copy catting riders like Casey & Spies. Simonchelli is also another showboater, hopefully he won't win anything for us to stomach the hair-brand he's so desperate to shove down the spectator's throats.



Another element I'm looking forward to is straight talk. We've become accustomed to listening to some riders double speak, with ulterior motives for what they put out in the media, especially Rossi. We can't read anything he says and accept it at face value, but you can when you hear riders like Nicky, Spies, Casey, Aoyama, Pedro, ect. If this season goes as I'm hoping, Rossi will not stand to look the ordinary above average rider I've always know he is, and will retire after 2012; I say this with the caveat that Ducati, if smart, will immediately drop the 800 experiment and start working on a 2012 rocketship allowing VR to go out in glory. We are certainly watching a special time in MotoGP, truly a great riders like Valentino, Pedro, Lorenzo, Spies, Nicky, Dovi, Simoch, Aoyama, etc, and one that we can really see is a cut above the them all, Casey. As I've said before, there is only ONE alien in MotoGP. The rest have been as good as VR but without the overwhelming advantage. Casey may not win as many titles (for stated reasons) but he clearly is the fast rider in roadracing by a long shot.



The anti-bopper movement continues, not only in forums, but thankfully on the race track. Eventually way may return to the sport where racing was the show.



I've been lurking on this forum for several months now, finally decided to register today.



Seems like it's gone downhill to some extent recently - there's now post after post of people slating Rossi, claiming he's faker, the ultimate politician, a liar, even an overrated racer...if people don't like him, why the need to repeat this over and over ad inifinitum? The bolded bit is a contradiction. He's either great or above average.



As regards the whole showboating thing, I like the flamboyance it brings to the sport. I don't want racers who are robots like 99% of F1 drivers. Monotone dullards with no personality to speak of, and only too willing to come out with the usual PR speak and cliches. Maybe it's because I'm in my twenties ad others are a bit older, but I like the characters in MotoGP - along with the overtaking it's the main reason why I've got into it after being an F1 fan for many years.



And saying there is only alien in MotoGP (in capitals) and using the terms 'boppers' in the same post is total hypocrisy imo.
 
Cang! Thanks for taking the time to type it out man, I so enjoyed that interview. Good to see Burgess eating a bit of humble pie. (And just as Burgess said the gearbox thing is not the silver bullet Boppers are hanging their hat on to discount the Hondas, I'm sure they will find some other way of rational-lies their boy looking as good as other "ordinary" Ducati riders). I have no doubt Casey is more special than Valentino Rossi, who up until now has been touted the undisputed standard,( or should I say, the unexposed supposed standard.) Stoner could have been easily considered the GOAT by now if he'd been on a decent Japanese machine. He still has time though, and if Honda keep him happy, he should win them several titles. I can't wait for MotoGP to return to order, a man's sport, rather than the clown circus its become thanks to look-at-me productions typical of the riders more interested in their brand than the sportsmanship the sport deserves. But hey, when you have an element of people swallowing teen-band theatrics, Dorna was more than happy to cash in and keep the good times rolling for them to the point of compromising the intergrity of the competition. This may be a thing of the past, as we have Stoner & Spies, who are serious riders and title contenders. Even when Pedro wins, he hasn't been programmed to make these freakish shows (I suppose its enough he is a freak). Sure, Lorenzo is still a contender, but I think much of his productions were spawned by an element of mocking Rossi. If I'm wrong, I hope those that accuse him of being a copy cat will have him now copy catting riders like Casey & Spies. Simonchelli is also another showboater, hopefully he won't win anything for us to stomach the hair-brand he's so desperate to shove down the spectator's throats.



Another element I'm looking forward to is straight talk. We've become accustomed to listening to some riders double speak, with ulterior motives for what they put out in the media, especially Rossi. We can't read anything he says and accept it at face value, but you can when you hear riders like Nicky, Spies, Casey, Aoyama, Pedro, ect. If this season goes as I'm hoping, Rossi will not stand to look the ordinary above average rider I've always know he is, and will retire after 2012; I say this with the caveat that Ducati, if smart, will immediately drop the 800 experiment and start working on a 2012 rocketship allowing VR to go out in glory. We are certainly watching a special time in MotoGP, truly a great riders like Valentino, Pedro, Lorenzo, Spies, Nicky, Dovi, Simoch, Aoyama, etc, and one that we can really see is a cut above the them all, Casey. As I've said before, there is only ONE alien in MotoGP. The rest have been as good as VR but without the overwhelming advantage. Casey may not win as many titles (for stated reasons) but he clearly is the fast rider in roadracing by a long shot.



The anti-bopper movement continues, not only in forums, but thankfully on the race track. Eventually way may return to the sport where racing was the show.

Great post.
 
You are the man Cang. Your reputation is intact (assuming you just didn't fake publish that article and make it look like a magazine).
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EDIT: I love the fact they have a picture of Casey fishing. I hope it was Casey's idea to do that. Its like a big FU to all his detractors!



no worries Jum.
 
I've been lurking on this forum for several months now, finally decided to register today.



Seems like it's gone downhill to some extent recently - there's now post after post of people slating Rossi, claiming he's faker, the ultimate politician, a liar, even an overrated racer...if people don't like him, why the need to repeat this over and over ad inifinitum? The bolded bit is a contradiction. He's either great or above average.



As regards the whole showboating thing, I like the flamboyance it brings to the sport. I don't want racers who are robots like 99% of F1 drivers. Monotone dullards with no personality to speak of, and only too willing to come out with the usual PR speak and cliches. Maybe it's because I'm in my twenties ad others are a bit older, but I like the characters in MotoGP - along with the overtaking it's the main reason why I've got into it after being an F1 fan for many years.



And saying there is only alien in MotoGP (in capitals) and using the terms 'boppers' in the same post is total hypocrisy imo.



Welcome to the forum.



About my contradiction, an above average rider in this sport IS a great rider. We can split hairs, but a great rider is by definition, above the average. Simple logic, and absolutely no contradiction in terms. What else would you like me to explain?



About the repeat theme. May I ask, how long have you been lurking? Did you lurk in 2006? Particularly after the end of the season, and all throughout the off season, into 2007? How about the end of 2007? Did you lurk after the end of that season and into the offseason, and during the season? How about 2010? Did you lurk immediately after the final race? I ask you this to get an idea of how much I might need to update you on the anti-Hayden, anti-Stoner, and now anti-Lorenzo theme that played like a broken record. (I can only imagine what it might have been during the Biaggi/Gibernau days in forums that may have existed at the time). Do you see where I'm going with this or should I explain further. Yeah, I get what you are saying, but I suspect its because you may have a particular inclination, I may be wrong. Truth be told, yes, it can get tiresome, but after several years of keeping the wave of Bopperdumb at bay (yes, I see you take issue with it, but for lack of a better word, I will need to use it here); I've taken to a bit of fun pointing out every single glaring argument that was put forth and now exposed in those years. Plus, its fun and funny to me. Especially when I get flustered members of the Yellow Army. And its not like its going away, as you may see on another thread, Rossi himself has fueled this theme you take issue with by presenting the anti-Lorenzo them of the year.



Lastly, don't take anything serious, its just racing opinion of very little importance. If you want to talk or trade GP history, technical information, etc. I'm game too.
 
Kudos yeah i owe ppl a round of drinks and some Hpie in the morning.OFF To have a read
 
Doesn't sound right to me. For one I can't see stoner calling ducati two faced publicly in those words. Jumkie has lapped it all up and used it as confirmation of his theories.

I'll go up to the newsagent and see if I can get the latest amcn if I have time today. If he did say this about ducati I don't think he should have; if he goes on to win 5 titles with honda like doohan did it obviously won't matter, but he actually hasn't done that yet. I wouldn't be critiquing dani's riding style in advance of actually beating him in races either, but as always context and what he was actually asked by the journalist are important.

(EDIT I see the articles have now been scanned and posted).
 
I've been lurking on this forum for several months now, finally decided to register today.



Seems like it's gone downhill to some extent recently - there's now post after post of people slating Rossi, claiming he's faker, the ultimate politician, a liar, even an overrated racer...if people don't like him, why the need to repeat this over and over ad inifinitum? The bolded bit is a contradiction. He's either great or above average.



As regards the whole showboating thing, I like the flamboyance it brings to the sport. I don't want racers who are robots like 99% of F1 drivers. Monotone dullards with no personality to speak of, and only too willing to come out with the usual PR speak and cliches. Maybe it's because I'm in my twenties ad others are a bit older, but I like the characters in MotoGP - along with the overtaking it's the main reason why I've got into it after being an F1 fan for many years.



And saying there is only alien in MotoGP (in capitals) and using the terms 'boppers' in the same post is total hypocrisy imo.

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I'll go up to the newsagent and see if I can get the latest amcn if I have time today. If he did say this about ducati I don't think he should have; if he goes on to win 5 titles with honda like doohan did it obviously won't matter, but he actually hasn't done that yet. I wouldn't be critiquing dani's rding style in advance of actually beating him in races either, but as always context and what he was actually asked by the journalist are important.

Uhm, scroll up buddy. Its there in PDF or PNG. But feel free to buy one, as having it in your hand might be nice to read over a cup of coffee.



About his "critics", not sure what you are reading, but its mild. He's not saying these people ar "unpleasant" and everybody knows it, or calling others "mad men" etc. He's finally giving us his thoughts on the Marlboro debacle, and truth be told, he actually has the high ground on this one (les you forgot the incident). No sure what "criticism" you are having an issue with buddy.
 
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Its not Vietnam man. (Sound like you quoted Full Metal Jacket). Anyway buddy, its all good. I admire Rossi more than people think, certainly more than any Bopper will ever be able to see. Plus, its become a hobby of mine to give the boppers headaches.
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Uhm, scroll up buddy. Its there in PDF or PNG. But feel free to buy one, as having it in your hand might be nice to read over a cup of coffee.



About his "critics", not sure what you are reading, but its mild. He's not saying these people ar "unpleasant" and everybody knows it, or calling others "mad men" etc. He's finally giving us his thoughts on the Marlboro debacle, and truth be told, he actually has the high ground on this one (les you forgot the incident). No sure what "criticism" you are having an issue with buddy.

No, as you know I believe any rancour he has against marlboro and those elements in ducati is entirely justified, I just don't think it is good to burn bridges, as you have I think correctly said concerning rossi with yamaha and honda.



I meant critiquing in terms of analysing dani's riding style, with some implication that his own was superior (on a quick read), rather than him actually being critical of dani's riding per se, but it depends what he was asked as I said.
 
Welcome to the forum.



About my contradiction, an above average rider in this sport IS a great rider. We can split hairs, but a great rider is by definition, above the average. Simple logic, and absolutely no contradiction in terms. What else would you like me to explain?



About the repeat theme. May I ask, how long have you been lurking? Did you lurk in 2006? Particularly after the end of the season, and all throughout the off season, into 2007? How about the end of 2007? Did you lurk after the end of that season and into the offseason, and during the season? How about 2010? Did you lurk immediately after the final race? I ask you this to get an idea of how much I might need to update you on the anti-Hayden, anti-Stoner, and now anti-Lorenzo theme that played like a broken record. (I can only imagine what it might have been during the Biaggi/Gibernau days in forums that may have existed at the time). Do you see where I'm going with this or should I explain further. Yeah, I get what you are saying, but I suspect its because you may have a particular inclination, I may be wrong. Truth be told, yes, it can get tiresome, but after several years of keeping the wave of Bopperdumb at bay (yes, I see you take issue with it, but for lack of a better word, I will need to use it here); I've taken to a bit of fun pointing out every single glaring argument that was put forth and now exposed in those years. Plus, its fun and funny to me. Especially when I get flustered members of the Yellow Army. And its not like its going away, as you may see on another thread, Rossi himself has fueled this theme you take issue with by presenting the anti-Lorenzo them of the year.



Lastly, don't take anything serious, its just racing opinion of very little importance. If you want to talk or trade GP history, technical information, etc. I'm game too.



So everyone in MotoGp is great? I disagree, even at the highest end of sport there are different levels and it doesn't make sense to group everyone together, and then have Stoner at the top all out on his own imo. Especially when he hasn't seriously competed for the title for the past three years.



As I said, I've been lurking for several months so obviously I wasn't lurking in 2006, 2007 or any other year prior to 2010. If there's an anti-Hayden, anti-Stoner etc, 'movement', I'm not really sure how an anti-Rossi movement improves things. Just my opinion. But certainly since I have been on this forum, the number of anti-Rossi posts seem to outnumber any other moral crusades by some distance. I think that's pretty shocking when you consider that he is a multiple title winner, the person who is most well known by the mainstream (like me) and therefore the most likely to increase interest in MotoGP, and of course the rider that probably sells the most bikes. I guess a lot of hardcore fans probably don't care about all that, but he deserves respect regardless.



The other thing I've noticed is that Rossi's and Burgess' previous comments about the Ducati while at Yamaha seem to have been taken well out of context, and it's almost become some kind of stick to beat them with
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Cheers mate, and nice avvy!
 
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Its not Vietnam man. (Sound like you quoted Full Metal Jacket). Anyway buddy, its all good. I admire Rossi more than people think, certainly more than any Bopper will ever be able to see. Plus, its become a hobby of mine to give the boppers headaches.
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i know , i would enjoy doing the same with stoner but now that my guy is the one getting bashed is not that much fun i guess
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by the way , burgess says the honda gearbox is not an advantage but yamaha is already working on a system of their own, if is not an advantage and they have a good gearbox already as burgess states why would they be working on it
 
The other thing I've noticed is that Rossi's and Burgess' previous comments about the Ducati while at Yamaha seem to have been taken well out of context



Would you care to elaborate? I think we would all agree that Rossi's comments about Stoner not trying were intended to be taken negatively, yet since making those comments Rossi has found out that pushing on the Ducati is riskier than he had previously thought. Also, if you were to critisize Stoner in any way the first observation would be his tendancy to push too hard, and crash. Bringing his riding down a notch, all things considered was definitely a wise move and was followed by him finding his best form of the season. As for Burgess' comments, i don't see that context is relevant. JB clearly expressed that he felt some Ducati riders were having a problem that he and Valentino could fix in a small time frame, some people think that meant a specific problem, others thought it was more general. If he was being general it is clear that they have not been successful, if he is speaking generally then they may have solved the problem but in doing so have made compromises resulting in no significant increase in speed or predictability, hardly a genius move.
 
Welcome to the forum.



About my contradiction, an above average rider in this sport IS a great rider. We can split hairs, but a great rider is by definition, above the average. Simple logic, and absolutely no contradiction in terms. What else would you like me to explain?



About the repeat theme. May I ask, how long have you been lurking? Did you lurk in 2006? Particularly after the end of the season, and all throughout the off season, into 2007? How about the end of 2007? Did you lurk after the end of that season and into the offseason, and during the season? How about 2010? Did you lurk immediately after the final race? I ask you this to get an idea of how much I might need to update you on the anti-Hayden, anti-Stoner, and now anti-Lorenzo theme that played like a broken record. (I can only imagine what it might have been during the Biaggi/Gibernau days in forums that may have existed at the time). Do you see where I'm going with this or should I explain further. Yeah, I get what you are saying, but I suspect its because you may have a particular inclination, I may be wrong. Truth be told, yes, it can get tiresome, but after several years of keeping the wave of Bopperdumb at bay (yes, I see you take issue with it, but for lack of a better word, I will need to use it here); I've taken to a bit of fun pointing out every single glaring argument that was put forth and now exposed in those years. Plus, its fun and funny to me. Especially when I get flustered members of the Yellow Army. And its not like its going away, as you may see on another thread, Rossi himself has fueled this theme you take issue with by presenting the anti-Lorenzo them of the year.



Lastly, don't take anything serious, its just racing opinion of very little importance. If you want to talk or trade GP history, technical information, etc. I'm game too.

So basically you're saying that it's your time now lmfao. I only wish we both didn't have the same favorite rider. I do like Stoner more than Rossi and I also think Stoner is the more talented rider, capable of the fastest times, but Rossi is loved and admired for being a racer. I thought you would have given this up by now after Nicky put up better numbers than Rossi but I guess that wasn't enough for you and your conspiracies. You are ate up, just breathe deep and let it go man.
 
Welcome to the forum.



About my contradiction, an above average rider in this sport IS a great rider. We can split hairs, but a great rider is by definition, above the average. Simple logic, and absolutely no contradiction in terms. What else would you like me to explain?



About the repeat theme. May I ask, how long have you been lurking? Did you lurk in 2006? Particularly after the end of the season, and all throughout the off season, into 2007? How about the end of 2007? Did you lurk after the end of that season and into the offseason, and during the season? How about 2010? Did you lurk immediately after the final race? I ask you this to get an idea of how much I might need to update you on the anti-Hayden, anti-Stoner, and now anti-Lorenzo theme that played like a broken record. (I can only imagine what it might have been during the Biaggi/Gibernau days in forums that may have existed at the time). Do you see where I'm going with this or should I explain further. Yeah, I get what you are saying, but I suspect its because you may have a particular inclination, I may be wrong. Truth be told, yes, it can get tiresome, but after several years of keeping the wave of Bopperdumb at bay (yes, I see you take issue with it, but for lack of a better word, I will need to use it here); I've taken to a bit of fun pointing out every single glaring argument that was put forth and now exposed in those years. Plus, its fun and funny to me. Especially when I get flustered members of the Yellow Army. And its not like its going away, as you may see on another thread, Rossi himself has fueled this theme you take issue with by presenting the anti-Lorenzo them of the year.



Lastly, don't take anything serious, its just racing opinion of very little importance. If you want to talk or trade GP history, technical information, etc. I'm game too.

In 2006,2007, it felt like it was us against the world buddy. PS was a typical Rossi circle jerk, but we endured. Now, we have new members saying this an anti Rossi board, my my how things have changed. The only big difference from then to now, is a lot of the horde have accepted the argument that Rossi is not the perfect human, or the perfect bike racer. They are still hard core fans, but not the in your face diciples if you dare question the maker.It was like a scene out of Stargate where the guards would beat you down if you looked into the eye of Rah[ssi ] There is still a handful here that would throw themselves into a lava pit at his command, or start a campaign to vilify another rider that threatens the throne, but they are getting weaker as the facts replace propaganda. We are like the 60's hippies of Berkley, that started a movement against the establishment, and it caught fire.There are still plenty of GP boards where its all Rossi all the time,thank god this is no longer one of them
 

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