BRIDGESTONE

Bridgestone now have got the single tyre supplier contract for next year and beyond.
I personally think that Bridgestone are the most Ungratefull people there are in Motorsport.
In 2004 no one would go near Bridgestone, then Ducati gave them the opportunity to prove
them selves, along with Ducati, Suzuki and to some extent Kawasaki have made Bridgestone the team they are today. To me the tyre situation this year was a joke, and this isnt sour grapes
cos Stoner lost this year, i think certain tactics were used this year to ensure certain riders won this year and certain riders didnt get the GOOD STUFF.
I know its all Politics and i tell ya it ..... me to tears, we have a single tyre rule next year, who ever
thinks that this new rule cant be Manipulated then you are very naive. I hope we have a good year
next year but i dont think we will unless the right rider/riders are winning.
Just think if Ducati hadnt developed a tyre for them, where do you think they would be right now?
ill tell ya still at the back of the grid. We are classed as a proto type series, yet where is the competition? Ezpeleta says that we are doing it for the safety of the riders, what a joke. Jeremy Burgess has already said that the tyres will not have the same grip as they do now, so with grip levels down wheres the rider safety there?

And Bridgestone... well what goes around comes around..

What is the situation in F1 now? Do some teams claim they get .... rubber from Bridgestone or are they all fairly happy? That would be interesting for me to know for obvious parallel reasons. Also, 7 tire compounds doesn't sound all that limiting but having only 2 available per race seems like too tight a margin to encompass the latitude of the whole field. 4 seems better.

Although Bridgestone's success coincided with the partnership of Ducati, they would have gotten to this point eventually. They are a far larger operation than Michelin. With their budget it was only a matter of time before they figured out how to make better tires than Michelin. Working with Ducati certainly didn't hurt though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 21 2008, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In 2004 no one would go near Bridgestone, then Ducati gave them the opportunity to prove them selves, along with Ducati, Suzuki and to some extent Kawasaki have made Bridgestone the team they are today. Actually Bridgestones gave their tires away for free while Michelins were charging $1 Million. Hence some of the lower budget teams switched. I don't think there was any way in hell Stoner could have won the championship if he were on the same brand of tires as Rossi. The 'stones made the difference.

well all i can say is look how it's worked out for wsbk & f1.

Perhaps just having the Ducati to test on gave Bridgestone the head start they needed. It has been the most powerful bike on the grid for several seasons. Michelin had the smooth Honda V5, the low powered 800 and Yamaha which was also lower powered than any Ducati. The Suzuki was gnawing away at the sidewall for several years giving them ample experimentation of sidewall wear resistance.The development curves crossed right at the start of the 800cc era. By the time Michelin had to deal with the refined Bridgestone tires they started to lose the very machines they needed to develop winning tires with when Rossi and others switched over.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 21 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cos Stoner lost this year, i think certain tactics were used this year to ensure certain riders won this year and certain riders didnt get the GOOD STUFF.

Are you saying Stoner didn't get the GOOD STUFF, thats a lame comment...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 21 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bridgestone now have got the single tyre supplier contract for next year and beyond.
I personally think that Bridgestone are the most Ungratefull people there are in Motorsport.
In 2004 no one would go near Bridgestone, then Ducati gave them the opportunity to prove
them selves, along with Ducati, Suzuki and to some extent Kawasaki have made Bridgestone the team they are today. To me the tyre situation this year was a joke, and this isnt sour grapes
cos Stoner lost this year, i think certain tactics were used this year to ensure certain riders won this year and certain riders didnt get the GOOD STUFF.
I know its all Politics and i tell ya it ..... me to tears, we have a single tyre rule next year, who ever
thinks that this new rule cant be Manipulated then you are very naive. I hope we have a good year
next year but i dont think we will unless the right rider/riders are winning.
Just think if Ducati hadnt developed a tyre for them, where do you think they would be right now?
ill tell ya still at the back of the grid. We are classed as a proto type series, yet where is the competition? Ezpeleta says that we are doing it for the safety of the riders, what a joke. Jeremy Burgess has already said that the tyres will not have the same grip as they do now, so with grip levels down wheres the rider safety there?

And Bridgestone... well what goes around comes around..
you can't really believe that crap. i think you have been reading to many lex files mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 22 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you can't really believe that crap. i think you have been reading to many lex files mate.
Rog it looks like most of the riders have the same concerns and feelings towards this whole tire thing. The article on Crash.net is saying the backmarker riders will have to race tires developed for Rossi who has a style different than they have. So you see this isn't a conspiricy it is the truth. You are not nieve enough to think this is a fair series or should I say business. If you have an understanding how these types of businesses run that is not a far stretch in any way shape or form. In fact it is expected.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 21 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To me the tyre situation this year was a joke, and this isnt sour grapes
cos Stoner lost this year, i think certain tactics were used this year to ensure certain riders won this year and certain riders didnt get the GOOD STUFF.

Even that is too much for me to endorse.

Let's just say certain measures were taken to make sure the good stuff wasn't had by anyone. The ill effects exhibited asymmetrical distribution with Casey Stoner as the focal point. Ezy was indifferent because the champion's home market has only 20 million potential viewers.

Stoner didn't have the #1 plate removed intentionally, but the governing powers were completely indifferent as to whether or not he received a fair defense. A small market rider on a red bike produced by a small manufacturer. Hopefully Hayden will bring the viewership clout Ducati need to get Ezy on their side.

That's what the Congress is all about.

such ........... if you can't be fast on same tires developed by the fastest guys in the world...then you're just not fast enough.... period.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 22 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog it looks like most of the riders have the same concerns and feelings towards this whole tire thing. The article on Crash.net is saying the backmarker riders will have to race tires developed for Rossi who has a style different than they have. So you see this isn't a conspiricy it is the truth. You are not nieve enough to think this is a fair series or should I say business. If you have an understanding how these types of businesses run that is not a far stretch in any way shape or form. In fact it is expected.
i was replying to this
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner lost this year, i think certain tactics were used this year to ensure certain riders won this year and certain riders didnt get the GOOD STUFF.
he wasn't talking about the tyre situation next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 22 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>such ........... if you can't be fast on same tires developed by the fastest guys in the world...then you're just not fast enough.... period.
THat is so biased due to the one style that then should be adopted by everyone else then. Look the riders are all saying they have issues go read it its on the front page. IF the riders are saying this then there is some validity. IF your saying it there is zero credibility due to the fact of your nonsponsored nonfactory support being a small time local guy riding a motard to work. You and all the rest of us know nothing and purely speculate on these situations. SOme of us may know someone or has a friend or two who raced or has ties still to this day racing so some of the info from those people I would tend to trust. IF you think it's all fair in the business your out of your mind. SOmeone else said in a recent thread that ROssi is GP and this is the truth. You think DOrna was happy about having Rossi lose the title for the past few years? Next time watch speed report on TV and see who one of the bIGGEST pics is in the back. It aint Jimmie Johnson who you would easily think of, it aint JR or any Nascar degenerate. IT is a massive pic of Valentino ROssi. Now this is also AMerican TV that is usually geared towards Nascar. SO if just that little tidbit doesn't elude to something upstairs in that brain I will have to believe your just in the tank for Rossi and he can never do any wrong. IF not then you can see and also read the hype. IF there is no money coming in there is no Valentino ROssi and moto gp. Comes down to the money everytime. SUcks don't it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 22 2008, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog it looks like most of the riders have the same concerns and feelings towards this whole tire thing. The article on Crash.net is saying the backmarker riders will have to race tires developed for Rossi who has a style different than they have. So you see this isn't a conspiricy it is the truth. You are not nieve enough to think this is a fair series or should I say business. If you have an understanding how these types of businesses run that is not a far stretch in any way shape or form. In fact it is expected.

Sure thing, using the best tires developed by the best riders as SO unfair.
sic

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 22 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure thing, using the best tires developed by the best riders as SO unfair.
sic
YOur in the tank for Rossi to so I expect that from you among all the rest. Yeah we know he is the best but that doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.



http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...g_to_fear?.html

Then I guess the rest of the fields comments and concerns are just ......... THey don't know anything like you do since your such a major player in the world of MOTO GP. Since you believe that Rossi's tires are best for everyone it really should be the worst guy who needs the most help should have the tires dev'd around him. IF Rossi, Stoner are so great they should have no problem adjusting to that persons personal preferences. Don't be a biased fool and think that this isn't a problem just cause your boy is the major beneficiary of this whole rule. We are the ones losing out due to Dorna ezy and the like trying to maintain a paycheck. They rely on guys like you so they can spoonfeed the .... right into you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 22 2008, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog it looks like most of the riders have the same concerns and feelings towards this whole tire thing. The article on Crash.net is saying the backmarker riders will have to race tires developed for Rossi who has a style different than they have. So you see this isn't a conspiricy it is the truth. You are not nieve enough to think this is a fair series or should I say business. If you have an understanding how these types of businesses run that is not a far stretch in any way shape or form. In fact it is expected.

Their huge conserns must be the reason they all voted pro control tire, right?
I'm sure Rossi will have his saying but those who think he will have the sole development and desition on the tires are truly naive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 22 2008, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Their huge conserns must be the reason they all voted pro control tire, right?
I'm sure Rossi will have his saying but those who think he will have the sole development and desition on the tires are truly naive.
Don't you think Bridgestone has alot on the line especially since they are now the sole tire provider in the pinnicle of both car and bike motorsports. This has to due with business man. People forget this and think that traditions and integrity are always kept on this high place for all to see. IT AINT TRUE. You watch for what happens and what is said by the field next year. Sure Bstone will try to keep it close cause it is in their best intrest to do so because if it looks messed up it surely will be. SO you also want to keep Vale on the top cause you will see the ads with the champ and the current years finishes and the marketing campaings will be more successful than ever. THey all may have voted but did they have the proper representation or was the vote just a shill?

they're tires...nothing less..nothing more...they're good tires..or they aren't... The idea that ONE or TWO guys have a riding "style" that will benefit more with a type of tire is plain ....... stupid...

the fast guys will still up front.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 22 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YOur in the tank for Rossi to so I expect that from you among all the rest. Yeah we know he is the best but that doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.



http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...g_to_fear?.html

Then I guess the rest of the fields comments and concerns are just ......... THey don't know anything like you do since your such a major player in the world of MOTO GP. Since you believe that Rossi's tires are best for everyone it really should be the worst guy who needs the most help should have the tires dev'd around him. IF Rossi, Stoner are so great they should have no problem adjusting to that persons personal preferences. Don't be a biased fool and think that this isn't a problem just cause your boy is the major beneficiary of this whole rule. We are the ones losing out due to Dorna ezy and the like trying to maintain a paycheck. They rely on guys like you so they can spoonfeed the .... right into you.
Reading the article I just wondered, by what you ment about: "the rest of the fields comments", did you mean this: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>'Rossi likes unusual tyres and his riding style is completely different to mine so if the tyres are designed around him they will be of no use to me', they might say.'
This article were made for YOU rossi haters/control tire haters or what ever. True there has been hints of concern but that is about a 1000 light years away from where you guys are. Not only are there concerns but the conspiracy is allready under way, yes? Probably Rossi are over in Japan right now testing '09 rubber and giving clear instructions, right? Hints of concern are up right now becuase they want to make SURE it's not a "rossi" tire. Also note that the article talked about the backmarkers, not the rest of the riders. I'm sure Melandri will have his concerns (with any tire), but both Rossi and Pedrosa has proved that a good rider can do just fine on rubber developed by a very different rider with a completly different bike. What they, stoner and other fast riders rightfully will insist on is to have a tire that work at is optimum when on the limit and not with carcass that deforms. That is a possible disadvantage for the really slow riders but who cares if shinya and the rest of the backmarkers arrive a few seconds later or not. That's not where the race are decided and if they want to be heard it just to get your self right up there at the front. As JB said the cream will allways float to top, but I suspect that is what most of you conspiracy constructors fear the most.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 22 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't you think Bridgestone has alot on the line especially since they are now the sole tire provider in the pinnicle of both car and bike motorsports. This has to due with business man. People forget this and think that traditions and integrity are always kept on this high place for all to see. IT AINT TRUE. You watch for what happens and what is said by the field next year. Sure Bstone will try to keep it close cause it is in their best intrest to do so because if it looks messed up it surely will be. SO you also want to keep Vale on the top cause you will see the ads with the champ and the current years finishes and the marketing campaings will be more successful than ever. THey all may have voted but did they have the proper representation or was the vote just a shill?

That is exactly what I think. Regulations or not, tampering attempts or not, it's in BS's interest to make sure it's tidy. So it will be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>THey all may have voted but did they have the proper representation or was the vote just a shill?
What is that suposed to mean? I simply don't understand what you are saying here.