Boy, oh boy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ May 24 2007, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Every thread turns into the same .....
I'm not getting involved in this crap.
Hi Rgneil, you have a strange way of "not getting involved"; just a few posts later you take a crack at me.

Debate the issue if you will or not, but if you want to trade cracks, I got plenty. Otherwise, whats the point of saying your not getting involved. If you try as I have on this thread, you can actually have an exchange of ideas. Or if you try on this thread; you can also have an exchange of insults. Pick your poison, but get off the fence please.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ May 24 2007, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then laugh instead of taking the bait!
We do our best to ignore eachother, I see that, but I must say, this post was highly mature and insightful with a touch of wit and class. Very well said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 24 2007, 04:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's about grace under pressure.
Thanks Skid. You pretty much summarized it here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ May 23 2007, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I knew about the ignore button from aaaages ago. Used it on a certain trollish Rossi fan. Doesn't post much anymore here so thats ok IS it me? Please say it's me!! On the other hand if it is me he won't see me ask & can't reply

Its a free forum, nobody is automatically entitled to defend any rider with personal attacks.

And could some of you Rossi fans please answer the question instead of using direct insults. Its abit pathetic.

Although I'll admit that Toni Elias's posts are abit hard on Rossi, at least he has some very good points. Some points and questions that Ive been asking Rossi fans since I've joindes and have yet failed to recieve those answers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. you are pathetic aren't you!


2. Also, jumkie it is possible to make a point without giving us an essay to read each time!!!
1. VIG (that's you) if you don't want to trade insults stop the cycle.

2. Sorry man, I know I ramble; it’s both my gift and my cross to bare. (And for you to suffer through). Im terrible at math, but words just flow for me.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ May 24 2007, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>have yet failed to recieve those answers.
Hey Mofo, do you ever read your PM box? I've sent you one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ May 24 2007, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>have yet failed to recieve those answers.
Hey Mofo, do you ever read your PM box? I've sent you one.

Hey Jumkie! I got your message and I've replied.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>IS it me? Please say it's me!! On the other hand if it is me he won't see me ask & can't reply
Sorry, did you just post something?
Nah I'm kidding, it isn't you. Who it is doesn't matter. Its in the past.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ May 23 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he was going for the Spiderman thing. Thus the webbing etc.

Oh, 1996 would like you to return 'Talk to the hand' whenever you're finished. Thanks.

stoppit - my sides hurt

i haven't been on much cos i've been busy with work but i've been popping on every now and again when i get a mo. I'd just like to say............................Tony - you're a ....

see you all in a few weeks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 24 2007, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Rgneil, you have a strange way of "not getting involved"; just a few posts later you take a crack at me.

Debate the issue if you will or not, but if you want to trade cracks, I got plenty. Otherwise, whats the point of saying your not getting involved. If you try as I have on this thread, you can actually have an exchange of ideas. Or if you try on this thread; you can also have an exchange of insults. Pick your poison, but get off the fence please.


No I'll be Swiss on this thread mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This Rossi character is turning into a joke. On autosport.com he said the following:

""I always used normal tyres; not built overnight. Maybe sometimes, yes, but I remember Portugal and Valencia last year when the performance was not at the maximum."

He lost out to Toni Elias in Portugal last year, then had a costly fall in the Valencia title-decider and lost the championship to Nicky Hayden. "

He even has excuses why he didn't win in Portugal and Valencia. What a pathetic human being this guy is. For me this guy is the lowest person on earth. I want him even more to lose. I hope he ends up out of the top 5 this year. I will burn several candles wishing him a lot of bad luck with his tyres. At least than, when he blames his tyres, he isn't lying.
wow! feeling the love here in a major kinda way!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 23 2007, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pathetic post of the year goes too.........
te must have the top ten in this category by now!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ May 23 2007, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben, my vote for avatar change goes to:

we have a winner!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ May 24 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd just like to say............................Tony - you're a ....

see you all in a few weeks
good ol geordie lad... sez it how it is
been missing ya on the forum mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ May 24 2007, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> stoppit - my sides hurt

i haven't been on much cos i've been busy with work but i've been popping on every now and again when i get a mo. I'd just like to say............................Tony - you're a ....

see you all in a few weeks
Oh my God, Rossi has found a ....... power ranger for his protection. You are even a sorer loser than Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ May 24 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its a free forum, nobody is automatically entitled to defend any rider with personal attacks.

And could some of you Rossi fans please answer the question instead of using direct insults. Its abit pathetic.

Although I'll admit that Toni Elias's posts are abit hard on Rossi, at least he has some very good points. Some points and questions that Ive been asking Rossi fans since I've joindes and have yet failed to recieve those answers.
Just give it up on the Rossi fans. They support Rossi because they are exactly the same as Rossi. They are just a bunch of parasites, just let it go. Just post whatever you think about Rossi, whenever you want. I do it all the time and I am happy about it. I don't even care to have 80 % of the forum on my neck. At least people speak about me all of the time

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 24 2007, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

It was the blatent dis-respect your showing to Rossi that made me post. Fine, you dont like him - thats kinda obvious (& boring now) - but give the riders some respect.
I give each rider the respect he deserves. A person who is always having a ..... fight whenever he starts to get beaten by someone, who blames his bad results to tyres and his bike, and who has no respect for any other rider doesn't deserve my respect. What is the definition for you of a forum ? Only speak good about a rider ? If I can say good things about a rider, I can also say bad things. There was completely nothing wrong with the topic I started. Rossi claims his losses in Valencia and Estoril were due to his material. This is showing no respect to the riders that have beaten him. So can you tell me why, according to you, I don't have the right to say how much I despise his disrespect to the other riders ? Can you ? Is there only when person who is cool when he has no respect for others and is the name of this person Valentino Rossi ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>A person who is always having a ..... fight whenever he starts to get beaten by someone, who blames his bad results to tyres and his bike, and who has no respect for any other rider doesn't deserve my respect.

Your going to be very busy then posting your messages after each race, cause every rider who has a poor performance will blame something - and most of the time they dont blame themselves (unlike Loris!).

This is really fundamental's of sports psychology - the mind is a very powerful and overlooked aspect of motoGP. The riders need their ego's high - and any chinks in their armour or doubts about their ability need to be banished - or they have lost the race before they leave the pits.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Excuses and justifications abound after a loss. Players try to deflect social disapproval and the negative feelings surrounding poor outcomes by creating excuses. Excuses help reduce uneasiness and shift blame for a negative outcome to extenuating circumstances. This would be fine if it were adaptive, and it enhanced performance, but it clearly does not.

From the net...........every rider makes excuses, so as I said your going to be a busy person posting about these.

I'd also like to point this statement out from Rossi:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I want to congratulate Chris Vermeulen today because he rode a great race, I think he's a bit of a magician in the rain!"

So -Toni..............is this or is this not Rossi showing respect to a competitior?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>What is the definition for you of a forum ?

Where people can share their views in a construcive and well argument manor with other people - and make friends in the process.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Rossi claims his losses in Valencia and Estoril were due to his material. This is showing no respect to the riders that have beaten him. So can you tell me why, according to you, I don't have the right to say how much I despise his disrespect to the other riders ? Can you ?

Can you show me where I stated that you couldnt?


I'd also just like to add that anyone who compete's in those conditions on Sunday deserve MUCHO respect. Anyone that ride's a bike, that riding in the wet is damn scary - nevermind riding a 260hp (or whatever they are) motogp bike on the limit.

Dont forget, the TV doesnt show how ...... the conditions are....................I suggest you get a tape of Donington 05 to compare what having confidence in your bike does to a racer..............and belive me, that day was totally ...... and teh TV didnt reflect what conditions that race was won in.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 25 2007, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Your going to be very busy then posting your messages after each race, cause every rider who has a poor performance will blame something - and most of the time they dont blame themselves (unlike Loris!).

This is really fundamental's of sports psychology - the mind is a very powerful and overlooked aspect of motoGP. The riders need their ego's high - and any chinks in their armour or doubts about their ability need to be banished - or they have lost the race before they leave the pits.

Don't care too much about me being busy. That is my problem


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 25 2007, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From the net...........every rider makes excuses, so as I said your going to be a busy person posting about these.
There is a difference when having a totally crappy race and blame your material about it, than losing first position for 0.00000000001 seconds and than blaming it to the tyres. I accept he says he had tyre issues in Turkey. But I won't accept he had tyre issues in Estoril and Valencia. That's just .........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 25 2007, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd also like to point this statement out from Rossi:
So -Toni..............is this or is this not Rossi showing respect to a competitior?

What does a compliment mean if you say afterwards that the winner won because you had tyre or bike issues ? Can you please point that out to me because I don't understand that. According to me that is no respect but just being a good actor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 25 2007, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where people can share their views in a construcive and well argument manor with other people - and make friends in the process.
Can you show me where I stated that you couldnt?
I'd also just like to add that anyone who compete's in those conditions on Sunday deserve MUCHO respect. Anyone that ride's a bike, that riding in the wet is damn scary - nevermind riding a 260hp (or whatever they are) motogp bike on the limit.
Hard to be constructive if people attack you with 10 when you express you don't like their fav rider, isn't it ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Racejumkie, I know my posts look a bit hard and agressive. But if you look deeper, you can see that I am only hard against posters who attack me when I state how much I hate Rossi.

as far as i am aware, i have never said anything to you all all, let alone attacked you but for god's sake how can you say this? you always start attacking people on here! and you make it pretty obvious you dont like valentino...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I attack Rossi in a way by which I only insult Rossi. [/qoute]

and why do you have to insult rossi??? you can state your dislikes without insulting him.

[qoute] I don't insult any member. But than some members get angry and start a fight with me and I just defend myself. The problem is I have to fight against 10 people each time someone starts a fight with me and at the end I look like the morron, while the real morrons are the others.

not really, from what i have seen other members see you posts and simply reply to them, you start being insulting and then the insults are returned

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Considering Rossi's "charisma" where the Rossi fans are so proud of. They hate my behaviour. But I am willing to bet a lot of money that if Rossi would be a member on this board and he would see himself on tv, he would hate himself 100 times more than I hate him and he would bash himself 1000 times more than I am doing now. But the strange thing is, when Rossi does this they called it charisma and when someone else does this they called it (whatever they want).

Thank you ganz, I am very happy now you finally admitted Rossi is a sore loser.

im not a fan of some of rossi's stunts either because they sometimes appear to me like he is either being a little arrogant or just playing games with the other riders but i dont hate him by any means and as far as im concerned he's earned his right to his fan base 100 times over. rossi isnt a sore loser, he's a racer and theres a difference.

i just dont understand why you have to start insulting him to get your point across, despite what you think people on this forum are NOT morons and can quite easily tell when you dont like someone without slagging them off.

(see i didnt start insulting you did i?!)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ May 25 2007, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as far as i am aware, i have never said anything to you all all, let alone attacked you but for god's sake how can you say this? you always start attacking people on here! and you make it pretty obvious you dont like valentino...

Like I said, I attack people because they first attacked me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ May 25 2007, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>not really, from what i have seen other members see you posts and simply reply to them, you start being insulting and then the insults are returned

I understand. You use lies to proof your points. I can't compete against that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ May 25 2007, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i just dont understand why you have to start insulting him to get your point across, despite what you think people on this forum are NOT morons and can quite easily tell when you dont like someone without slagging them off.

(see i didnt start insulting you did i?!)
As long as I don't insult members I do nothing wrong. People can say: "Wouw, that guy drove like a hero. He is so good.". So they can praise someone. In the same way, why should it be forbidden to say bad things about someone if you don't like it, like "he was crap" or "he is arrogant" or "he is so arrogant that I hate him and consider him a low life person." If that is your opinion, why wouldn't you say it ? I even always give a reason why I think that. You don't have to understand why I insult Rossi to make my point. That is my style. You can like it or not. But if someone who can't take I insult Rossi, he can always say it in a normal way instead of insulting.

Anyway, have a nice day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 25 2007, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, have a nice day.
Is this a virtual hand shake? You see people, he is a nice guy!