Boy, oh boy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with you there but the degree their equipment is bad can vary.

Like at Turkey this year, Rossi clearly had a rear tyre problem as we could see from cameras and finished 10th but someone like Capirossi or Elias who got on the podium they didnt have such bad problems. Is that there bike is not working or did Stoner outclass them particularly Capirossi?
In Turkey Rossi clearly had a problem. But we are talking here about Estoril and Valencia. He had no problems at all and got beaten in a far way. You can't just blame tyres and bike for everything. Sometimes you can get beaten. He said he thought he was unbeatable. But soemthing tells me he still thinks that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with you there but the degree their equipment is bad can vary.

And baring failures i would consider the rider responsible for how well the bike is set up and what tire choice has been made (as in how big the "problems" are). I know that it is a team sport really, but the rider has his equipment tailored to him and then has to operate it, he is what determines the performance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is ......... He crashed only once this year and last year 1 or 2 times. The rest of the races where he had bad results he was never whining about a bad bike or bad tyres. And there must be something with the bike because Melandri was shouting out loud that Honda should give him better material. So if someone maybe has a reason to whine it is Elias. But Rossi has a whole team behind him. But still he is complaining about his material. The guy is a sore loser and clearly in a decline and it will not take long before he has to say BYE BYE to motogp.

but melandri was promised factory parts unlike elias who dont deserve them coz he fluked one good result. elias crashed this year at china, france thats 2 already! learn to count!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just give it up Tom. There is no way you can argue with a Rossi fan. They all believe Rossi is so superlatively talented that he can never lose against someone on equal conditions. That is why they blame the tyres, the bike and all the other things. Rossi has had no competition for many years and now he finally has competition and gets beaten and they refuse to accept that maybe Rossi wasn't such a superhuman afterall.

what!

you talk complete crap dont you!

in 03 rossi won mainly coz honda was best.
in 04 rossi won mainly coz HE was best.
in 05 rossi won mainly coz yamaha was best.

toni will never win a title coz he aint good enough.

Valentino had bad luck last year unlike Nicky so that is part of reason he lost title (other part Hayden got a lot of points).

in equal conditions with everyone on same bike, tyres, etc Rossi would win as in 04 he beat Sete and Max who had better bikes.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Turkey Rossi clearly had a problem. But we are talking here about Estoril and Valencia. He had no problems at all and got beaten in a far way. You can't just blame tyres and bike for everything. Sometimes you can get beaten. He said he thought he was unbeatable. But soemthing tells me he still thinks that.

what?

rossi said he had a tyre problem. hmmm that sounds exactly the same as rossi saying hes unbeatable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but melandri was promised factory parts unlike elias who dont deserve them coz he fluked one good result. elias crashed this year at china, france thats 2 already! learn to count!

You don't have to avoid my point. The point was not if Elias deserved it or not. The point was that when Rossi has bad results, he starts whining. Elias doesn't, which makes him more man than Rossi will ever be. And don't worry, Rossi crashed more times last year than Elias did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what!

you talk complete crap dont you!

in 03 rossi won mainly coz honda was best.
in 04 rossi won mainly coz HE was best.
in 05 rossi won mainly coz yamaha was best.
Let me keep it simple. Rossi won because he had no competition. Than he went to Yamaha and took the best mechanics of Honda with him resulting in an immediate amelioration of the Yamaha bike. After a few races the Yamaha was one of the best bikes, if not the best.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>toni will never win a title coz he aint good enough.

That's true. What a difference between an Elias fan and a Rossi fan, isn't it ? I at least have the guts to say Elias isn't capable of winning. When he fell this race it was his own fault. Rossi fans are just whining about the tyres and the crappy Yamaha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valentino had bad luck last year unlike Nicky so that is part of reason he lost title (other part Hayden got a lot of points).

Excuses, excuses and excuses again. Hayden was the better. Rossi fell a lot, like Elias is doing right now. But when Elias falls you are laughing he can't ride. If Rossi falls its bad luck. Sounds really pathetic, don't you think ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in equal conditions with everyone on same bike, tyres, etc Rossi would win as in 04 he beat Sete and Max who had better bikes.
what?
This is exactly what I mean. I said this to Tom. Rossi fans believe this and that is why they are so eager to agree that Rossi really has tyres and bike problems. That is why no discussion is possible with a Rossi fan. They think he comes from the planet Krypton and his only weak spot is kryptonite.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi said he had a tyre problem. hmmm that sounds exactly the same as rossi saying hes unbeatable.
Yes indeed. Let me help you out here. Rossi blames his tyres because he thinks like you: "In the same condition, nobody can beat me, so the tyres are to blame. I am superman. aren't I ?"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ May 23 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You still aint worked out the Ugly Toy picture have you mate?

You should have a picture of him. He's probably ugly enough.


And as for you, ToniElias, get a freakin life you gay boy, or girl, I wouldn't know you ....... Which loser actually thinks the 5 times world champion is pathetic??!! Haha you .....!!! Don't come on here being insulting to people, especially Ben because although I'm 14, I'm not stupid. I will make your forum life hell, okay?

Oh and by the way. Does Elias ride the bike, or the track?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You don't have to avoid my point. The point was not if Elias deserved it or not. The point was that when Rossi has bad results, he starts whining. Elias doesn't, which makes him more man than Rossi will ever be. And don't worry, Rossi crashed more times last year than Elias did.
Let me keep it simple. Rossi won because he had no competition. Than he went to Yamaha and took the best mechanics of Honda with him resulting in an immediate amelioration of the Yamaha bike. After a few races the Yamaha was one of the best bikes, if not the best.
That's true. What a difference between an Elias fan and a Rossi fan, isn't it ? I at least have the guts to say Elias isn't capable of winning. When he fell this race it was his own fault. Rossi fans are just whining about the tyres and the crappy Yamaha.
Excuses, excuses and excuses again. Hayden was the better. Rossi fell a lot, like Elias is doing right now. But when Elias falls you are laughing he can't ride. If Rossi falls its bad luck. Sounds really pathetic, don't you think ?

This is exactly what I mean. I said this to Tom. Rossi fans believe this and that is why they are so eager to agree that Rossi really has tyres and bike problems. That is why no discussion is possible with a Rossi fan. They think he comes from the planet Krypton and his only weak spot is kryptonite.
Yes indeed. Let me help you out here. Rossi blames his tyres because he thinks like you: "In the same condition, nobody can beat me, so the tyres are to blame. I am superman. aren't I ?"




i have something to say and i think you should agree.

i am a rossi fan so maybe i see everything in a slightly biased way in rossi's favour.

you are a fan of anyone but rossi and definitely see everything in a biased way against rossi.

1. elias is not a man.

2. rossi crashed twice last year. (in Valencia race and Assen practise). Elias has crashed many times in his short GP career and if he carries on like he has these last 2 races it will have been a short career for him.

3. rossi had competition. sete gibernau was a good rider. max biaggi was a good rider and won more 250cc titles than say for instance Toni Elias. Nicky Hayden, Alex Barros, Marco Melandri, Loris Capirossi and Elias in 05 were all there but were not good enough. it was rossi making them look that bad not that they were rubbish.

4. so what rossi took the best mechanics with him the mechanics can only setup the bike that the factory has given them. That is a lot of the reason why they were so good at honda.

5. Elias isn't capable of winning the title.
WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!!!

6. But rossi is as he has shown so you can hardly say:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>What a difference between an Elias fan and a Rossi fan, isn't it ? I at least have the guts to say Elias isn't capable of winning.

7. as i said hayden did indeed ride well he got the points he needed to win the title. rossi obviously lost points at le mans, laguna seca and china not through his fault. but at assen and valencia he fell.

8. if a rider falls and there is a reason out of his hands like a bike problem there is bad luck but if like elias at le mans there ain't then it is bad riding. at assen and valencia rossi fell i know at valencia some would say he had a tyre problem but he went over the limit the tyre could handle so obviously it is partly his fault as he did also say at the time.

9. if you are the only elias fan on here then no discussion is possible with you.

10. actually why am i calling you a fan you dont even support elias for who he is, but only coz he beat rossi once this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ May 23 2007, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should have a picture of him. He's probably ugly enough.
And as for you, ToniElias, get a freakin life you gay boy, or girl, I wouldn't know you ....... Which loser actually thinks the 5 times world champion is pathetic??!! Haha you .....!!! Don't come on here being insulting to people, especially Ben because although I'm 14, I'm not stupid. I will make your forum life hell, okay?

Oh and by the way. Does Elias ride the bike, or the track?


He will ride you if you are not carefull. Little ugly .... girl with beard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He will ride you if you are not carefull. Little ugly .... girl with beard.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Okay!!! If you say

I found the ignore button. Its ALL GOOD!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ May 23 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I found the ignore button. Its ALL GOOD!!!

Same. Now we can all be 'losers' together

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. elias is not a man.

Can you please warn me if you are going to keep posting into this direction. If yes, than let's stop our discussion now and start discussing with Louise. I am not 4 years old and I don't want to lose my time in such a ...... response.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2. rossi crashed twice last year. (in Valencia race and Assen practise). Elias has crashed many times in his short GP career and if he carries on like he has these last 2 races it will have been a short career for him.
You are lying, he fell 3 times. The first race of the season he also fell.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3. rossi had competition. sete gibernau was a good rider. max biaggi was a good rider and won more 250cc titles than say for instance Toni Elias. Nicky Hayden, Alex Barros, Marco Melandri, Loris Capirossi and Elias in 05 were all there but were not good enough. it was rossi making them look that bad not that they were rubbish.
This says enough. Sete has been Rossi's main threath for 2-3 years. No doubt Sete is a good rider but he has never had the mental strength of a true champion. That's why I consider this guy as no competition. Against a Stoner, Sete would have looked like a girl just starting to ride motos. Max Biaggi may have won 250 cc titles, but so what ? That doesn't mean anything. Watch Pedrosa, he has all possible records in 125 cc and 250 cc but in motogp he is just an average guy. Pedrosa beated Stoner 2 years in a row and look now, Stoner is 3 streets ahead of Pedrosa. For me Rossi never had serious competition. The biggest competition he has ever had was from mentaly-zero-boy Sete, which says enough.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4. so what rossi took the best mechanics with him the mechanics can only setup the bike that the factory has given them. That is a lot of the reason why they were so good at honda.
So maybe Rossi isn't so brilliant afterall but the mechanics are


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7. as i said hayden did indeed ride well he got the points he needed to win the title. rossi obviously lost points at le mans, laguna seca and china not through his fault. but at assen and valencia he fell.
You are saying it again. You are saying Rossi lost the title and not Hayden won it. You are just copying the words of your beloved idol.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>8. a rider falls and there is a reason out of his hands like a bike problem there is bad luck but if like elias at le mans there ain't then it is bad riding. at assen and valencia rossi fell i know at valencia some would say he had a tyre problem but he went over the limit the tyre could handle so obviously it is partly his fault as he did also say at the time.

This is just crap. You are saying it again. When Rossi falls it is bad luck, bad tyres, bad bike. When others fall it is because they can't ride. Elias fell 2 times this year. Both could have happened to anyone, even to Rossi. The first time he qualified bad, got stuck into traffic, suddenly some people in front of him brake and at that speed an accident is made fast. Last race it was raining and a lot of people fell out. Only 12 arrived to the finish and Edwards was riding like a chicken. Rossi, Pedrosa even Stoner and Melandri were in situations were they almost fell.

Just be fair. Elias is a crap rider because he falls a lot ? Ok, but than be consequent and Rossi rode crappy last year because he fell 3 times. At least be honest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>9. if you are the only elias fan on here then no discussion is possible with you.
Since you said in your comment 10 I am not a real Elias fan, this comment is not applicable to me.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 23 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>10. actually why am i calling you a fan you dont even support elias for who he is, but only coz he beat rossi once this year.
Don't do that again. You really hurt my feelings.

Yes, but his come-backs are too amusing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This says enough. Sete has been Rossi's main threath for 2-3 years. No doubt Sete is a good rider but he has never had the mental strength of a true champion. That's why I consider this guy as no competition. Against a Stoner, Sete would have looked like a girl just starting to ride motos. Max Biaggi may have won 250 cc titles, but so what ? That doesn't mean anything. Watch Pedrosa, he has all possible records in 125 cc and 250 cc but in motogp he is just an average guy. Pedrosa beated Stoner 2 years in a row and look now, Stoner is 3 streets ahead of Pedrosa. For me Rossi never had serious competition. The biggest competition he has ever had was from mentaly-zero-boy Sete, which says enough.

For me saying that a rider had no competition is really a credit to how good they are. We saw at times Sete was a fantastic rider, but like you said he was mentally very weak. Competing with Rossi made him so, if Sete had been up against people weaker than him, his mental strength would have been maintained and he would look like a very strong rider indeed. It looks like Rossi had no competition to some, but surely that is a testament to just how good he is, he made the best riders in the world look crap, what more can you do?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can you please warn me if you are going to keep posting into this direction. If yes, than let's stop our discussion now and start discussing with Louise. I am not 4 years old and I don't want to lose my time in such a ...... response.

Well yes, being in a discussion is good, but it's with you, so I'm doubting it
May I ask how old you are ToniElias?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This Rossi character is turning into a joke. On autosport.com he said the following:

""I <u>always</u> used normal tyres; not built overnight. <u>Maybe sometimes</u>, yes, but I remember<u> Portugal and Valencia</u> last year when the performance was not at the maximum."

He lost out to Toni Elias in Portugal last year, then had a costly fall in the Valencia title-decider and lost the championship to Nicky Hayden. "

He even has excuses why he didn't win in Portugal and Valencia. What a pathetic human being this guy is. For me this guy is the lowest person on earth. I want him even more to lose. I hope he ends up out of the top 5 this year. I will burn several candles wishing him a lot of bad luck with his tyres. At least than, when he blames his tyres, he isn't lying.
Well, well. I just read this entire thread, and I noticed a few things.

1.Ben, your pictures and exchanges were hilarious! Very funny. I must say, you have a talent for diplomacy. Even through the harsh exchanges, you kept your cool. Very nicely done. But I have a question, remember when Hayden made a comment that sounded a bit contradictory? Would you say Rossi's comment above was a bit contradictory, I mean he starts with he "always" but in the same breath goes on to say well maybe "sometimes". I just think that was comical. No big deal, just alittle funny.

2. Valentino is God, I commend you for hanging in there and trying to maintain a conversation with ToniElias. If you noticed, there is an absence of them whenever TE posts up stuff lately. However, so far you haven't really held Rossi accountable for his comment, whether he said them now or after the race, it was not a very gracious thing to say.

3. The ignore button, click it if you may, but it sure is much more constructive and entertaining if you don't, because after-all, that is the point of a forum, even if you don't like what is being said.

4. ToniElias, there is a saying, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." I have begun to appreciate some of the things you point out and expose. But I think people are turned off by the way you do it. You have a unique style, and make no bones about it, which has its place. I see that it must be frustrating to you when Rossi fans try and make excuses for when Rossi ..... up. I agree, this is infuriating to me too, but you may be able to get further on a conversation with a slightly different approach. I find some of the excuse making that Rossi fans make also disrespectful and insulting too, even though they say it nicer, doesn’t stop it from being an insult. But, I’m not telling you what to do, it’s your style, and I can accept it, after-all, it’s just a forum anyway.

Ok, on to the topic of this thread:

Rossi’s comments were totally un-gracious. This is truly an example of a person being a sore looser. There is no other way to look at it. Unfortunately, this only fuels (as if they need it more) the rationalizations that many of his fans make to make sense of not winning. Now just imagine for a minute, any of his rivals saying this. Imagine riders who Rossi beat in a race the last 6 years coming out and saying, “I would have beat Rossi had it been for my tires that did not perform at maximum.” There would be hell to pay for those comments by all Rossi-fans (plenty of them) and all the media, not to mention the outrage in Europe. No, no, there is only one way to look at it, and that is he has sunk to a pathetic state to make such a comment. Just because a person has been successful does not give this person license to blame it on equipment. Yes, sometimes equipment is to blame, however, not the carely selected occasions he chose to give examples. But even more amazing, he chose to highlight two occasions where he clearly and unequivocally got beat! Why would he do that??? Of all the times he could have said he had a “slight” (meaning petty) tire issue (notice he said the tires where not performing to its “maximum” as oppose to saying the tires had a gross performance issue). Of all the place, he chose to say Portugal 06, where he got beat to the line by .004 and Valencia, where he dumped his bike (no malfunction but TOTAL rider error) to give examples of tire issues. Amazing!!! I think he chose these two events because they bother him the most. But not because of a tire issue, but because he got beat for the entire world to see. He got beat, he failed, not his tires! But he can’t come to grips with this fact (as do some of his fans). So what does he do? The same thing weak people do that relieves the pain of the reality and deflects the fault of himself. He doesn’t take responsibility for his own performance! I’ve seen this before. I live in a country where athletes get way too much reward for their accomplishments. They go around calling these athletes “heroes” and reinforcing their above-life persona. While there are teachers, and scientists and soldiers being “heroes.” And the effect to many of these athletes (not all) is to become a prima Donna. And to encourage this type of ill behavior, we have many willing to excuse these comments and behavior by pointing to their success. Just like some here say, well you can’t say that about a 5-time world champ. Why not? If his comments are of low class, should it not be called that? Rossi’s post race celebrations are an example of a man who is more full of him than all the egos in the paddock put together, but his fans brush it off as “humor” or “charisma”. We know he is talented, but is it necessary to show-up the competition? It’s the same here, nothing different, he is showing-up the competition by saying he got beat because of his tires. That’s straight ........ and disrespectful to the men who put life and limb on the line to beat him. I could go on, but lets just leave it at, Rossi blaming the tires is in fact pathetic, and I will add cowardly.

Are there any other Rossi fans willing to call ........ when they see it?

Jumkie, who you writing these huge essays for? i just can't read that boring stuff to the end. what's more important is that they are absolutely useless, you are wasting your time. don't you have any more important things to do?
P.S.
Ok, rossi is sore loser. are you and mr. Toni Elias happy now?
will this make you shut up?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ May 23 2007, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he was going for the Spiderman thing. Thus the webbing etc.

Oh, 1996 would like you to return 'Talk to the hand' whenever you're finished. Thanks.
^^^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ May 23 2007, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, who you writing these huge essays for? i just can't read that boring stuff to the end. what's more important is that they are absolutely useless, you are wasting your time. don't you have any more important things to do?
P.S.
Ok, rossi is sore loser. are you and mr. Toni Elias happy now?
will this make you shut up?
Very insightful Ganz (being sarcastic). I know it must be painful to admit it. I guess its fitting that [he] has fans like yourself.

For who you ask, people like you, who are willing to admit what you did.

"Useless"? Well it served at least to get a person like yourself to admit what many are not willing to do.

If you want to trade insults, I'm willing too. Its fun and I have plenty, but I'd rather not.

I think overall most people are missing about the mentality of most racers, and high performance individuals. Does Rossi make excuses, sure he does, as do most racers. It is essential for them to believe in themselves so much that they sometimes end up in denial in certain circumstances. It is not a trait that is unique to Rossi, in fact it is much more common that you might think in the world of elite athletes. Wether they his comments seem ungracious or not I find it refreshing that he shows a human side besides the unflappable cool playful image we see most of the time. In my opinion he is even more charismatic than before because we can see how much he truly wants to be on top. As far as his personality goes maybe I am in the minority but I like my racers to be arrogant, self-centered, I am better than everyone else type of individuals. It may sound bad but wether they admit it or not everyone on the grid of a motogp grid, F-1 grid, supersport, superstock, or superbike grid has the same attitude. I am inclined to give a 5-time world champion the benefit of the doubt if he says there was a problem with his tires. It may also be his way of lighting a fire under the arse of Michelin, who seem to have dropped the ball several times. Finally T.E. I am starting to get the feeling that you do not like Rossi, or someones genitalia.

Racejumkie, I know my posts look a bit hard and agressive. But if you look deeper, you can see that I am only hard against posters who attack me when I state how much I hate Rossi. People like Valentino is God or Tom didn't attack me and started a normal discussion with me. And I reply them in a normal way without insulting them. But when people like bashpete, louise, ben, israeliracer, etc. ... attack me, I attack them back, no matter who they are. It is always the same. I attack Rossi in a way by which I only insult Rossi. I don't insult any member. But than some members get angry and start a fight with me and I just defend myself. The problem is I have to fight against 10 people each time someone starts a fight with me and at the end I look like the morron, while the real morrons are the others.

Considering Rossi's "charisma" where the Rossi fans are so proud of. They hate my behaviour. But I am willing to bet a lot of money that if Rossi would be a member on this board and he would see himself on tv, he would hate himself 100 times more than I hate him and he would bash himself 1000 times more than I am doing now. But the strange thing is, when Rossi does this they called it charisma and when someone else does this they called it (whatever they want).

Thank you ganz, I am very happy now you finally admitted Rossi is a sore loser.