Boy, oh boy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 23 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like my racers to be arrogant, self-centered, I am better than everyone else type of individuals.

It may sound bad but wether they admit it or not everyone on the grid of a motogp grid...has the same attitude.

I am inclined to give a 5-time world champion the benefit of the doubt if he says there was a problem with his tires.

It may also be his way of lighting a fire under the arse of Michelin, who seem to have dropped the ball several times.

Finally T.E. I am starting to get the feeling that you do not like Rossi, or someones genitalia.
Hi Ogunski, thanks for taking the time to read through this thread. I realize its controversial and the mud slinging to boot. Well I see why you like Rossi. And that's fine for you; we should all have the right to be fans of whomever we want. That's fine. And if you like them arrogant, that's your prerogative. We're fortunate to live in a free country.

I'm not so sure all the riders/drivers have this attitude though. They are all very different, as people are, and I think they all get motivated in different ways. Take for example Kenny Roberts Jr.; he seems a very reserved and levelheaded individual.

I agree, a champion should get alittle more slack in regards to his trade. But in this case, it smack of sour grapes.

If his intension is to get the attention of Michelin, well this is a horrible way to do it. It makes him look like an .... (But I doubt this was what he was trying to do.)

Funny wit, but be careful, you don't want to awaken a sleeping giant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 23 2007, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think overall most people are missing about the mentality of most racers, and high performance individuals. Does Rossi make excuses, sure he does, as do most racers. It is essential for them to believe in themselves so much that they sometimes end up in denial in certain circumstances. It is not a trait that is unique to Rossi, in fact it is much more common that you might think in the world of elite athletes. Wether they his comments seem ungracious or not I find it refreshing that he shows a human side besides the unflappable cool playful image we see most of the time. In my opinion he is even more charismatic than before because we can see how much he truly wants to be on top. As far as his personality goes maybe I am in the minority but I like my racers to be arrogant, self-centered, I am better than everyone else type of individuals. It may sound bad but wether they admit it or not everyone on the grid of a motogp grid, F-1 grid, supersport, superstock, or superbike grid or club racing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>has the same attitude.

I agree in most of what you say. Although there is certainly limits to how much arrogance I can take, and I've seen it much worse at national level than Rossi will ever get.
I agree that they all are the very much alike, the main difference is their way of handling media, not their real opinions of them selves. It's such an individuals sport, even if there is a team behind that allmost works the other way araound. Imagine a junior soccer team, with a trainer and one or two in support, that's what 15 -16 guys or girls share. At top level 16 years old kids have a whole team to their disposal when riding 125 GP. No wonder many of them become real arrogant pricks. I mean, who wants to bet that Lorenzo haven't gold plated his .... as well?

My earlier point is that yes Rossi is guilty of whining from time to time. I can accept that as long as he seems to be giving his best effort. One of the characteristics of individuals who rise to the highest levelsin any individual pursuit is the single minded pursuit to be the best. That in turn leads to self-centeredness and even a little arrogance. Think about it, these men belong to one of the most exclusive clubs in the world. A club that has very limited membership numbers at any given time. Now consider how many of that exclusive club have risen to the top to claim a world championship. Rossi has 5 of those world championships. In my humble opinion he has earned a little wiggle room when it comes to public remarks. I will add though that I thing whining is always an unseemly act, and I myself do not like whiners, but I am willing to give Rossi a pass on this occasion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 23 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who wants to bet that Lorenzo haven't gold plated his .... as well?
Why are people talking about genitals all of a sudden?

This guy is a joke!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgo @ May 24 2007, 04:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This guy is a joke!

Then laugh instead of taking the bait!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ May 24 2007, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then laugh instead of taking the bait!
Exactly!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 23 2007, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, on to the topic of this thread:

Rossi’s comments were totally un-gracious. This is truly an example of a person being a sore looser. There is no other way to look at it. Unfortunately, this only fuels (as if they need it more) the rationalizations that many of his fans make to make sense of not winning. Now just imagine for a minute, any of his rivals saying this. Imagine riders who Rossi beat in a race the last 6 years coming out and saying, “I would have beat Rossi had it been for my tires that did not perform at maximum.” There would be hell to pay for those comments by all Rossi-fans (plenty of them) and all the media, not to mention the outrage in Europe. No, no, there is only one way to look at it, and that is he has sunk to a pathetic state to make such a comment. Just because a person has been successful does not give this person license to blame it on equipment. Yes, sometimes equipment is to blame, however, not the carely selected occasions he chose to give examples. But even more amazing, he chose to highlight two occasions where he clearly and unequivocally got beat! Why would he do that??? Of all the times he could have said he had a “slight” (meaning petty) tire issue (notice he said the tires where not performing to its “maximum” as oppose to saying the tires had a gross performance issue). Of all the place, he chose to say Portugal 06, where he got beat to the line by .004 and Valencia, where he dumped his bike (no malfunction but TOTAL rider error) to give examples of tire issues. Amazing!!! I think he chose these two events because they bother him the most. But not because of a tire issue, but because he got beat for the entire world to see. He got beat, he failed, not his tires! But he can’t come to grips with this fact (as do some of his fans). So what does he do? The same thing weak people do that relieves the pain of the reality and deflects the fault of himself. He doesn’t take responsibility for his own performance! I’ve seen this before. I live in a country where athletes get way too much reward for their accomplishments. They go around calling these athletes “heroes” and reinforcing their above-life persona. While there are teachers, and scientists and soldiers being “heroes.” And the effect to many of these athletes (not all) is to become a prima Donna. And to encourage this type of ill behavior, we have many willing to excuse these comments and behavior by pointing to their success. Just like some here say, well you can’t say that about a 5-time world champ. Why not? If his comments are of low class, should it not be called that? Rossi’s post race celebrations are an example of a man who is more full of him than all the egos in the paddock put together, but his fans brush it off as “humor” or “charisma”. We know he is talented, but is it necessary to show-up the competition? It’s the same here, nothing different, he is showing-up the competition by saying he got beat because of his tires. That’s straight ........ and disrespectful to the men who put life and limb on the line to beat him. I could go on, but lets just leave it at, Rossi blaming the tires is in fact pathetic, and I will add cowardly.

Are there any other Rossi fans willing to call ........ when they see it?Jumkie my friend, best post 2007 award goes to you

It's all undeniable. Might I add there will also be 'my tyre did not perform to the maximum...and...the Ducati is very fast so it is not possible to win' as if to double the insult, I won't repeat the reasons as to why this is true, it's all in the above post. Read it, I can assure you it's not boring. If you want to call it as bs, then be specific.

I was reading this thread with no intention of getting involved until someone wrote exactly what I was thinking ^^^. The more I see how Rossi conducts himself when things don't go his way the more I find it hard to like the guy. It's not about being a fan of him or of anyone else, that has nothing to do with it, nothing. The guy obvoiusly has an ego thats got out of control as jumkie has also observed. Yep all racers have an ego and sometimes that gets the better of them, but not in such a spoilt boy way we are seeing with Rossi now. One thing I'll bet anyone on, the more races Rossi looses, the worse he'll get. Sad thing is, he is a legend and we are right to expect more of him. Probably the greatest rider in the history of the sport, not the most sporting though. It's the tyre or the tyre rule or somebody was dangerous or someone else was too fast, well Valentino, what about you? Did somebody ride faster than you? That may sound inflammatory to the Rossi fanbase but it's not meant to be. I just cannot stand sore losing in any shape or form and Rossi stinks of it. If Doohan or Rainey got beat, it was purely their fault or 'we' (the team) just didn't have enough of an answer on the day and congratulations to the other guy. It's about grace under pressure.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 24 2007, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie my friend, best post 2007 award goes to you

It's all undeniable. Might I add there will also be 'my tyre did not perform to the maximum...and...the Ducati is very fast so it is not possible to win' as if to double the insult, I won't repeat the reasons as to why this is true, it's all in the above post. Read it, I can assure you it's not boring. If you want to call it as bs, then be specific.

I was reading this thread with no intention of getting involved until someone wrote exactly what I was thinking ^^^. The more I see how Rossi conducts himself when things don't go his way the more I find it hard to like the guy. It's not about being a fan of him or of anyone else, that has nothing to do with it, nothing. The guy obvoiusly has an ego thats got out of control as jumkie has also observed. Yep all racers have an ego and sometimes that gets the better of them, but not in such a spoilt boy way we are seeing with Rossi now. One thing I'll bet anyone on, the more races Rossi looses, the worse he'll get. Sad thing is, he is a legend and we are right to expect more of him. Probably the greatest rider in the history of the sport, not the most sporting though. It's the tyre or the tyre rule or somebody was dangerous or someone else was too fast, well Valentino, what about you? Did somebody ride faster than you? That may sound inflammatory to the Rossi fanbase but it's not meant to be. I just cannot stand sore losing in any shape or form and Rossi stinks of it. If Doohan or Rainey got beat, it was purely their fault or 'we' (the team) just didn't have enough of an answer on the day and congratulations to the other guy. It's about grace under pressure.

Thank you very much, God, for giving an extra person on this forum insight into the true person behind Rossi. I will never forget you did this.

All people seem to do on this forum lately is slag Rossi off or defend him.
Every thread turns into the same .....
I'm not getting involved in this crap.
















Well, maybe in the future.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are lying, he fell 3 times. The first race of the season he also fell.

Don't do that again. You really hurt my feelings.

He fell at jerez when guess who hit him???

and i will do it again as it is true.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 24 2007, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie my friend, best post 2007 award goes to you

It's all undeniable. Might I add there will also be 'my tyre did not perform to the maximum...and...the Ducati is very fast so it is not possible to win' as if to double the insult, I won't repeat the reasons as to why this is true, it's all in the above post. Read it, I can assure you it's not boring. If you want to call it as bs, then be specific.

I was reading this thread with no intention of getting involved until someone wrote exactly what I was thinking ^^^. The more I see how Rossi conducts himself when things don't go his way the more I find it hard to like the guy. It's not about being a fan of him or of anyone else, that has nothing to do with it, nothing. The guy obvoiusly has an ego thats got out of control as jumkie has also observed. Yep all racers have an ego and sometimes that gets the better of them, but not in such a spoilt boy way we are seeing with Rossi now. One thing I'll bet anyone on, the more races Rossi looses, the worse he'll get. Sad thing is, he is a legend and we are right to expect more of him. Probably the greatest rider in the history of the sport, not the most sporting though. It's the tyre or the tyre rule or somebody was dangerous or someone else was too fast, well Valentino, what about you? Did somebody ride faster than you? That may sound inflammatory to the Rossi fanbase but it's not meant to be. I just cannot stand sore losing in any shape or form and Rossi stinks of it. If Doohan or Rainey got beat, it was purely their fault or 'we' (the team) just didn't have enough of an answer on the day and congratulations to the other guy. It's about grace under pressure.

you would agree with it you support Elias.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 24 2007, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Thank you very much, God, for giving an extra person on this forum insight into the true person behind Rossi. I will never forget you did this.

you are pathetic aren't you!


Also, jumkie it is possible to make a point without giving us an essay to read each time!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also, jumkie it is possible to make a point without giving us an essay to read each time!!!



There's more chance of meeting an American with humility than Jumkie cutting down on his meandering posts!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He fell at jerez when guess who hit him???

Doesn't matter. He fell. No excuses. You also don't look at reasons why Elias fell. So Rossi dated the floor 3 times last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you are pathetic aren't you!
Strange. I thought that my post showed that the only pathetic ones are the Rossi fans. It is even more funny to hear this from someone with the name: Valentino is GOD.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You would agree with it you support Elias.And going by your handle you would disagree with me. Yes, I changed my fave rider to Elias after turkey. It was Schwantz before and in truth it still is. I just can't help but support the underdog, like Haga coming to WSB in 98 and duffing up Fogarty, same deal. A decision made all the more obvious by Rossi's and Elias' post-Turkey comments.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You would agree with it you support Elias.and your point is...or do you just want to heckle?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ May 24 2007, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All people seem to do on this forum lately is slag Rossi off or defend him.
Every thread turns into the same .....

well tell ToniElias to stop ....... making topics aimed purely at pissing us rossi fans off. He is the one with no decency.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 24 2007, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Doesn't matter. He fell. No excuses. You also don't look at reasons why Elias fell. So Rossi dated the floor 3 times last year.

Strange. I thought that my post showed that the only pathetic ones are the Rossi fans. It is even more funny to hear this from someone with the name: Valentino is GOD.

How does it not matter. Rossi would not have fallen without some prick called Toni Elias crashing into the back of him.

At least i am a fan and i actually support a rider not just claiming to like a rider coz he beat the world's best once.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 24 2007, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi would not have fallen without some prick called Toni Elias crashing into the back of him.
At least i am a fan and i actually support a rider not just claiming to like a rider coz he beat the world's best once.
At the end Rossi fell 3 times, didn't he ? You said 2, which was a big lie.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 23 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Racejumkie, I know my posts look a bit hard and agressive. But if you look deeper, you can see that I am only hard against posters who attack me when I state how much I hate Rossi. People like Valentino is God or Tom didn't attack me and started a normal discussion with me. And I reply them in a normal way without insulting them. But when people like bashpete, louise, ben, israeliracer, etc.

Excuse me.. I started that because you started on Ben and it's just out of order the way you do that. If you didn't put that, I would have happily talked to you about racing etc. And how old are you?
I will talk to you normally, just don't act like an .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ May 24 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excuse me.. I started that because you started on Ben and it's just out of order the way you do that. If you didn't put that, I would have happily talked to you about racing etc. And how old are you?
I will talk to you normally, just don't act like an .....
Ben started on me . If you are honest you have to admit that I never start attacking a member. I only attack Rossi because I really hate his personality. Their fans don't like it but I don't care actually. They attack me as respond on my post and so do I counter attack. Seems honest to me, doesn't it ? And watch your big mouth a bit, girlie.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 24 2007, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben started on me . If you are honest you have to admit that I never start attacking a member. I only attack Rossi because I really hate his personality. Their fans don't like it but I don't care actually. They attack me as respond on my post and so do I counter attack. Seems honest to me, doesn't it ? And watch your big mouth a bit, girlie.

Yes I would watch my 'big' mouth but you see I would need a mirror to do so. And seeing as I'm typing, there will be no need

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 24 2007, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben started on me . If you are honest you have to admit that I never start attacking a member.



It was the blatent dis-respect your showing to Rossi that made me post. Fine, you dont like him - thats kinda obvious (& boring now) - but give the riders some respect.