Bloody Tyres

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Oct 24 2007, 04:42 AM) [snapback]96775[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this is what rossi's tire looks like after a race and its been like this about 5+ times this season


you know I think you display what is wrong when fans get too out of touch


here's the rest of that picture ....




when you say "this season" you seem to have omitted to add that it was 2006. Laguna to be precise.

If you are going to even fool yourself what do you think others will think of the stuff you spout!!

You are right Roger it is a cracking picture.... the modified story bejind it is even more "cracking"!!

Heheheh, Busted much?

Still, it proves he's had problems for two years

What the problem with overzealous fans ??

I think he's had them for more than two years now

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 24 2007, 03:11 PM) [snapback]96902[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What the problem with overzealous fans ??

I think he's had them for more than two years now

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 24 2007, 04:03 PM) [snapback]96899[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Still, it proves he's had problems for two years


Right... But Rossi's problems is not only tyres.
Yamaha have spent all money on him and virtually stopped development, it seems... Then he is in a transition of his life. He has to come to terms with adulthood, the Peter Pan character is no more suited to this (soon) 29 years old multi-millionaire hunted down by tax collectors.

We have seen the young and carefree Valentino taking the MotoGP world by storm, let us see if the grownup and more serious Rossi can also be successful... Gosh, Stoner at 21 looks so much more grownup than him!

Anyway he is not old and most importantly he's still unscathed, no serious injuries - which are the things that can really stop one's career in this profession.

If he can get a competitive package again I think there are more wins left in him. Surely not another 5 titles, but one more is not something beyond his capacity. Unless Stoner forbids of course... but that is the battle we all would like to see, isnt it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Oct 25 2007, 12:30 AM) [snapback]96908[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Anyway he is not old and most importantly he's still unscathed, no serious injuries - which are the things that can really stop one's career in this profession.



True ... and it would be nice to see him retire with some dignity .... all this carry on this year seems to be dragging him away from that. Especially all the odd tyre stuff.

Its worse than a dagger in the back to Michelin, if he goes to Bridgestone .... going to be the worst PR or promotions "rout" ever!!

Nice work Barry. Talk about journo's spinning ....., that pic takes the cake.

Rising Sun you are making too much sense to be taken seriously. I agree that the performance of the Michelin this year hasn't been as poor as many would like to believe.

It seems all the results this year have been about Bridgestone being superior, not the superior combination of rider, bike and tyre.

I am a Rossi fan and I look forward to him racing on Bridgestones, but I certainly am not naive enough to believe that a set of tyres will bring back 'the good old days'.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Oct 24 2007, 09:30 AM) [snapback]96908[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

If he can get a competitive package again I think there are more wins left in him. Surely not another 5 titles, but one more is not something beyond his capacity. Unless Stoner forbids of course... but that is the battle we all would like to see, isnt it

no.... i want 5 or 6 goin for the title every year! not just 2.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 24 2007, 02:35 PM) [snapback]96890[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you know I think you display what is wrong when fans get too out of touch
here's the rest of that picture ....

when you say "this season" you seem to have omitted to add that it was 2006. Laguna to be precise.

If you are going to even fool yourself what do you think others will think of the stuff you spout!!

You are right Roger it is a cracking picture.... the modified story bejind it is even more "cracking"!!



haha yeah very funny but where did i state that the tyre was from this season??? did you missread the

this is what rossi's tire "LOOKS LIKE AFTER A RACE" and its been like this about 5+ times THIS SEASON???

go back and read the post on page one.

why dont you stop saying crap and read the post properly

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Oct 24 2007, 04:10 PM) [snapback]96923[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
haha yeah very funny but where did i state that the tyre was from this season??? did you missread the

this is what rossi's tire LOOKS LIKE AFTER A RACE and its been like this about 5+ times THIS SEASON???

go back and read the post on page one.

why dont you stop saying crap and read the post properly

i think some here have only read the bits they want to see, if i remember correctly we were talking about tyres being "ONE" of the factors resulting in "two" bad seasons, the pic proved that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Oct 24 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]96912[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nice work Barry. Talk about journo's spinning ....., that pic takes the cake.


how does that take the cake ?? i never stated that pic was from this season, i said there are 2 about from this season.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Oct 24 2007, 02:43 PM) [snapback]96912[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nice work Barry. Talk about journo's spinning ....., that pic takes the cake.

Rising Sun you are making too much sense to be taken seriously. I agree that the performance of the Michelin this year hasn't been as poor as many would like to believe.

It seems all the results this year have been about Bridgestone being superior, not the superior combination of rider, bike and tyre.

I am a Rossi fan and I look forward to him racing on Bridgestones, but I certainly am not naive enough to believe that a set of tyres will bring back 'the good old days'.


The issue of whether it is unfair or disloyal for him to switch to bridgestones is a different one from whether the michelins are the cause of him losing or whether it is wise for him to change. I personally think stoner's multifactorial success at a time when rossi's intensity may be starting to wane could have messed with his head a little. However he may feel it takes out one variable as others have said if he sees stoner as the only serious rival for his valedictory (so to speak) world title.

I think what is unfair is that people seem to want to hold him to a code of conduct that doesn't apply to anyone else. Stoner has been criticising michelin all year, and has in fact stated on several occasions that they screwed him; I tend to believe him. Pedrosa would move to bridgestone if he could; if he can't I don't think it is rossi who is stopping him.

Okay...Real simple. The issue people have is this.....

Bridgestone has said on several occasions this year that they WILL not and CAN not support any more riders at the GP level. They are at max capacity.....Now that Rossi wants to race Bridgestones, they have room for 1 more (or so it seems as of right now).

That is it right there. Where did Bridgestone all of a sudden come up with the resources to cover another rider? If they can cover one more, why not two? What if Rossi, Pedrosa and Hayden had come out, at the same time, and said they ALL wanted Bridgestones for next year. Who would get them? How would Bridgestone decide? It was Rossi that stated he wanted them AFTER they said they could not take on any more. That is why people are questioning what is actually happening behind the scenes......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 24 2007, 03:16 PM) [snapback]96842[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
As I have argued previously, this year's new regulations were always likely to hinder rather than help rossi; despite this, it is my understanding that he agreed to the tyre regulation change.

Not having a go at you here, but that's an interesting way of putting it. Rossi agreed to the change? Did it need his agreement? Maybe he agreed with the rule change, after the fact? After all, Rossi and Burgess always said they hardly ever used those overnighters. So, naturally, he wouldn't have a problem with the new rules at the time of their introduction.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 24 2007, 03:16 PM) [snapback]96842[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I would have thought bridgestone wouldn't have needed much nudging if rossi really wanted their tyres in any case. ...

You bring up some interesting points. I don't think it's Rossi himself that Bridgestone were previously reluctant to supply. I think they would've simply preferred to maintain the current balance of power that exists between the teams which use Michelins and those who use their tyres. With Rossi on 'stones, that leaves only three factory guys on their main competitor's tyres. And, with all due respect to Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Hayden, they are less likely to consistently provide the same level of competition that Bridgestone has faced with Rossi/Michelin in the past.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 25 2007, 01:19 AM) [snapback]96926[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think some here have only read the bits they want to see, if i remember correctly we were talking about tyres being "ONE" of the factors resulting in "two" bad seasons, the pic proved that.

I was re-reading the thread trying to find the other factors you and jazkat came up with for Rossi's two "bad" seasons. Didn't seem to find any. Although Barry probably had something to do with it.

I would love it if you mentioned Yamaha and the man himself as part of this equation but alas it seems that the Bridgestone shod whatever bike Mr. 46 is riding will win it just like the old days.

By the way wasn't Rossi leading going into the final round last season? I seem to recall Hayden performing very well on the ...... Michelin's that day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 24 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]96862[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
even if it was "only" twice that his tyre shredded, thats twice to many times at this level. both times could have cost him his life let alone the race.

Of course, it's unsatisfactory at this level. Possibly costing him his life is debatable, in my opinion. It's not as though the tyres chunked, as happened to Nakano at Mugello a couple of years ago. But if it was that dangerous, then surely the prudent course would have been to park the bike, pick up a spanner and go 'medieval on Jean Philippe-Weber's arse' rather than continue to circulate, putting his safety, and that of other riders, at risk.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 24 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]96862[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
haters because you will not give him the benefit of the doubt, you would rather believe some faceless jurno.

So you think I'm a hater now, too. Thanks, Rog. I hate that you can't read. I did give Rossi the benefit of the doubt. I didn't extend the same courtesy to Dorna, however. Dennis Noyes is not some faceless journo, either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 24 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]96862[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
fear because you dont want to see him on the same rubber that did so blindingly well this year

So, you know what I want and don't want now, do you? Not above indulging in baseless speculation yourself, are you?

Also, still not reading for comprehension. Once more, just for you: I'm happy to see Rossi on 'stones next year, but only if Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Hayden can have them too.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Oct 25 2007, 12:10 AM) [snapback]96923[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
haha yeah very funny but where did i state that the tyre was from this season??? did you missread the

this is what rossi's tire "LOOKS LIKE AFTER A RACE" and its been like this about 5+ times THIS SEASON???

go back and read the post on page one.

why dont you stop saying crap and read the post properly

To be to fair, Jazkat is correct. Roger commented on the pic, straight after he posted it. In turn Jazkat said: Yeah, and I've got some stuff from this season too.

It's probably my fault in a way, I didn't read that properly. I asked in two separate posts, if the pic was from Istanbul or Laguna this year. However, you might've have taken the wind out of Barry's sails, if you'd set me straight in your reply there, Jazkat. Instead, you seemed to get confused, saying (in reply to my 5+ for 2007... really?), "Well, I've posted 2 vids, and 1 pic already."

Ah, the dramas of internet forums. If we all read properly what everyone wrote, there'd be a lot less to argue about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rising Sun @ Oct 24 2007, 04:26 PM) [snapback]96944[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Not having a go at you here, but that's an interesting way of putting it. Rossi agreed to the change? Did it need his agreement? Maybe he agreed with the rule change, after the fact? After all, Rossi and Burgess always said they hardly ever used those overnighters. So, naturally, he wouldn't have a problem with the new rules at the time of their introduction.


I said "'to" rather than "with" intentionally. My memory may be playing me false, but my understanding from when the new tyre rule was brought in was that dorna had negotiated rather than imposed the tyre rule change to reduce costs and to have both tyre companies operating under the same conditions in the interests of "fairness", that both had agreed to the rule, and that rossi had been consulted by michelin. Dunlop still operates by different rules.

I am a stoner fan and agree with you that the tyre advantage is over-rated; I do think the ducati itself was superior to the yamaha although not necessarily easy to ride as fast as stoner has done. I just don't think it is unfair for rossi to be on the same tyres as stoner next year, at least not to stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 24 2007, 10:24 PM) [snapback]96888[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The second definition fits perfectly thank you very much.

Sorry, I stand corrected. It seems you know what it means very well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 24 2007, 10:24 PM) [snapback]96888[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It ain't a fact yet.

I tell you what, if Rossi lines up on Michelins next year, I will put in my .sig: "I was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG about the whole Bridgestone/Dorna fiasco. My judgement on matters MotoGP is poor, and nothing that I post should ever be taken seriously."

And I'll keep it there until the end of the 2008 season!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 25 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96953[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I said "'to" rather than "with" intentionally. My memory may be playing me false, but my understanding from when the new tyre rule was brought in was that dorna had negotiated rather than imposed the tyre rule change to reduce costs and to have both tyre companies operating under the same conditions in the interests of "fairness", that both had agreed to the rule, and that rossi had been consulted by michelin.

Fascinating. I knew that the three tyre companies had sat down together and made the new rules (with no restrictions for Dunlop), with the aim of reducing costs, but I wasn't aware that Rossi was involved in the process.

It's amusing to think that Rossi would feel only the tires held him back from humiliating Stoner. The last race proved otherwise.