Best season of all time .... ?

FACTORY said:

I agree with this. Lorenzo rode a great season and with the timing of the Rossi injuries in the first half of the season (where Lorenzo racked up his wins/points cushion) and Pedrosa's injury in the end (once he and Honda could use the power/reliability advantage) Lorenzo could ride safe and still get nice race finishes, now add with Stoner stuggling most rounds to either stay on the bike or get to a podium spot.......Lorenzo really had little pressure. He still had to ride very well and ride smart to get the title and all these points (and he might get the season record for points). Lorenzo was his own competition for the season....and he did very well and racing himself and not going over the limits.

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Tom said:

If you argue that Lorenzo's season is less impressive because the competition/circumstances put him in a position of reduced pressure (or as you say having only his own competition) then sureley the same applies to almost all of Rossi's title's (Doohan and Stoner too) and the 'best season ever' would be the closest. In recent times at least that would be 2006, it was close, it was high pressure and the competition was very much there. Is that your line of argument?

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FACTORY said:

You asked me about what Rossi seasons were the best and I told you.....but I really feel Rainey's 92 title season and Hayden's 06 title year were the best. They both had to come back from behind and win it in the last round. Rainey worked through injuries to stay in the hunt when it looke dlike doohan would walk away with the title, and Hayden, who has never been a title favorite, kept a level head and raced hard all season long. The tons of wins/points in a season is impressive, but in my opinion, they do not make the best seasons ever for me.The best season all time for me in all motorcycle racing.....2002 WSBK Edwards running down Bayliss. Spies in 2009 WSBK is a close second.....and both of those have lots of wins and points, but the big thing for me is it was not a runaway title and it when down to the last race.

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Tom said:

If you argue that Lorenzo's season is less impressive because the competition/circumstances put him in a position of reduced pressure (or as you say having only his own competition) then sureley the same applies to almost all of Rossi's title's (Doohan and Stoner too) and the 'best season ever' would be the closest. In recent times at least that would be 2006, it was close, it was high pressure and the competition was very much there. Is that your line of argument?

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povol said:

Did anyone ever consider that Rossi's injury could very well have cost Lorenzo an even better season than he has had. When Rossi went down and Jorge pulled out the huge championship lead, it was a given that that he would draw back the reins to protect that lead, costing him numerous chances to go balls out for wins and a bunch more points.. Had Rossi been around to make the championship closer, who knows what kind of season Lorenzo could have put together.

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FACTORY said:

here you go....

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woody996 said:

I still think a 100% fully fit Rossi on a properly setup bike vs a 100% fully fit Lorenzo on a properly setup bike would be a battle to remember with neither of them able to ride away from the other.

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woody996 said:

We are now in the world of "what if". What if Jorge had busted his shoulder in his crash on the weekend? What if Jorge had one of his crashes early in the season? Everything could have been a lot different. In the end. Lorenzo kept the rubber on the road the most (if not the most, he certainly didn't get injured during the season ignoring round 1). That's 2010. 2009 was different with a whole lot of what ifs as were 2008, 2007, 2006 and every other year. I still think a 100% fully fit Rossi on a properly setup bike vs a 100% fully fit Lorenzo on a properly setup bike would be a battle to remember with neither of them able to ride away from the other.

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Tom said:

Oh i didn't see that. Sorry i seeemed to dismissive of this kind of opinion before you replied, i honestly hadn't thought that anyone would go this way with the question. But i think valuing intensity is another great way of looking at this, does 83 rank pretty highly with you too?







Thats probably about right, with their ultimate pace so similar, being in perfect shape with a well setup bike were always going to be very important this season (remember Rossi's no data sharing demands). It's no coincedence that Rossi had accidents trying to stay in shape and trying to set up his bike to beat Lorenzo, he knew how important those elements would be and needed to better Jorge at them. Unfortunately his efforts were beyond what he could sustain.

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povol said:

The "what if world" is the world of Rossi fans, i was trying to look at things from their perspective. It has been determined by most Rossi fans, that IF Rossi had not gotten hurt, he would have won the title. Its silly when you apply that IF thinking to someone else, isnt it.

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Tom said:

The what if game, or 'senna syndrome' (as i call it) really pisses me off. I mean we can all have a but of fun with a what if question but this is a great example, where Rossi is losing and then makes a significant error, yet people extrapolate that if the error hadn't of happened then Rossi would have won.

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Rising Sun said:

It was indeed; most dominant since the days of Agostini--and for much the same reasons; he only had to beat his team mates.

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xx CURVE xx said:

800s have sucked a sack of dicks since day one

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Jumkie said:

Except 08-09 right?

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FACTORY said:

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You asked me about what Rossi seasons were the best and I told you.....but I really feel Rainey's 92 title season and Hayden's 06 title year were the best. They both had to come back from behind and win it in the last round. Rainey worked through injuries to stay in the hunt when it looke dlike doohan would walk away with the title, and Hayden, who has never been a title favorite, kept a level head and raced hard all season long. The tons of wins/points in a season is impressive, but in my opinion, they do not make the best seasons ever for me.



The best season all time for me in all motorcycle racing.....2002 WSBK Edwards running down Bayliss. Spies in 2009 WSBK is a close second.....and both of those have lots of wins and points, but the big thing for me is it was not a runaway title and it when down to the last race.

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povol said:

The "what if world" is the world of Rossi fans, i was trying to look at things from their perspective. It has been determined by most Rossi fans, that IF Rossi had not gotten hurt, he would have won the title. Its silly when you apply that IF thinking to someone else, isnt it.

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chopperman said:

You ....... smoke too much these days !

Seriously dude you should read back through some of your posts when you're not stoned and see the bollocks we all have to suffer from you.

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povol said:

So your saying Rossi fans dont think that. If that is the case, your suffering alright, but it has nothing to do with me. I can give pretty much any number of instances you want.

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povol said:

The "what if world" is the world of Rossi fans, i was trying to look at things from their perspective. It has been determined by most Rossi fans, that IF Rossi had not gotten hurt, he would have won the title. Its silly when you apply that IF thinking to someone else, isnt it.

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